A lot of mecha nowadays is all about angst, drama and real robots in order to make an edgy show with a shitty ending because Nips don't want anyone to be happy anymore.
Edgelords who revel in edge like Domon "King of Burgers" Kasshu and real robot series like Cross "GENOCIDE THE WORLD" Ange are fine, but that's because they play up their ridiculousness to the point where the ride is actually fun. And that's what we need more of. "Fun".
Ultimately, that can only be accomplished with more slapstick super robot shows, less despressing real robot shows, and Nips airing at least one Brave series every year like they do with Gundam. And no more shitty CG. Just...no.
Then again, who knows. Maybe the real root cause is just that anime in general just takes itself far too seriously due to being more commoditized and mainstream than it used to be. Popularity does have a tendency to make things suck because creators start pandering to the lowest common normalfag denominator.
I don't know if it would save the genre but I think that something with a more heroic streak to it would liven up the scene a bit. Whether you take that as a Hero-Robot such as Giant Robo or a military mecha show with a Ramba-Ral tier MC is up to you, but I think heroics need to come back rather than going for the tragic hero angle.
Tragedy is hardly a new thing to mecha anime: it's been there on the very ground floor what with Gundam and Zambot 3. However, I think you've got a point about things being much more serious: even back in these early tragedy shows, we still had elements of the ridiculous (some of the White Base crew's antics or Killer the Butcher being both comic and horrifying at the same time), along with some rather outlandish designs, lent them some extra memorability. Maybe anime directors have fallen too much in love with the idea that their programs have to tell very deep and serious messages, but even then that's hardly constant to all anime produced today.
I imagine aiming things less at otaku and more at kids might help settle things again, but at the moment Japan's birth rate does not favor targeting that demographic.
Gundam is the Bleach or Naruto for the genera. Maybe put a more militarized aspect to the pilots b/c I think you would have to have some brains to pilot a mech in a modern world. Have the mechs plain looking like a giant tank to help connect with the pilots more if you are looking for a serious mech anime. Have them commercialized and flashy for a less serious one and have them fight in arenas. Just not anything about "only I can pilot this" unless it is like a fantasy version like Escaflone. In battle stress they could talk about resonable specs "He's faster, my mech is overheating, they hit the hydraulics cant move." less on Mech power and more on pilot skill. Also how can the opposing pilots talk to each other w/o a loud speaker, why do they have each other's number to talk to each other face to screen?
>>11814856 >Have them commercialized and flashy for a less serious one and have them fight in arenas. Just not anything about "only I can pilot this" unless it is like a fantasy version like Escaflone. In battle stress they could talk about resonable specs "He's faster, my mech is overheating, they hit the hydraulics cant move." less on Mech power and more on pilot skill. We almost had something like that last year. And it was going to be awesome. But some faggot canceled it.
>>11814425 This in a big way. You want a perspective check, look back at some of the shows that were hits back in the day. Yeah, there's obvious answers like Gundam and Macross. At the same time, you also get things like GodMars, which won awards the year it came out, and nowadays is largely forgotten outside of the occasional piece of merchandise and SRW appearance. Even those only really focus on the first third of the series.
We're too immediately close to what's coming out now to determine what will stand the test of time, distancing is needed to separate the truly memorable from the flash in the pan.
>>11815882 >Setsuna wins da gandamu in the end >Lockon the First had the Feldtbowl all settled before getting Ali'd >Lockon the Second had his fling with Anew before she died >Allelujah and Marie got happy Travelling Hobo ending >Tieria isn't even considered human by the end of 00 and only really cares about Veda
The only thing close to being homosex in 00 was Alejandro and maybe Graham/Birry
>>11813253 Pretty much, or more general audience stuff. It would be one thing if anime directors were making "art house" mecha shows. But I live in reality were that doesn't really happen. Almost all anime is for otakus and it shows.
>>11816051 Lockon didn't think of Feldt as anything more than a substitute for Amy if the novels are anything to go by.
Anyway, there's no point in getting defensive and responding to people who call shows gay because they can't handle a trap or whyever the fuck they settle on their opinion. A show doesn't even need love interests for everyone to be "not gay" or whatever the defence is supposed to be.
>>11816098 Dendoh was basically the final Braves show. I actually consider it an honorary member of the franchise. Then again I consider Betterman and Brigadoon part of the series because of their connection to GaoGaiGar.
>>11816111 >Then again I consider Betterman and Brigadoon part of the series because of their connection to GaoGaiGar.
It's all right to do so. Raijin-Oh is also considered honorary, to the point that it actually got to show up in New Century Brave Wars (not to mention how Taniguchi was involved in the staff, which would eventually lead to GunXSword's El Dorado V, but I digress).
>>11813198 Animate "Cannon God Exaxxion". Animate "Pluto". Make "The Five Star Stories" into a full TV-series. Animate "Eden". Animate "Mars". Animate "2001". Animate "Grey". Make a 2D version of "Appleseed". Remake "Tetsuwan Atom"
>>11814221 >Popularity does have a tendency to make things suck because creators start pandering to the lowest common normalfag denominator. When they pander "normalfags" they make "Votoms" and "Yukikaze". When they pander who they pander, they make "Code Geass".
>>11816541 Are you old enough to forget your obsession with robots as a kid? When a mecha show concentrates on robots and ot on beautiful girls' asses, it becomes better. Votoms are pretty much your average fine sci-fi of it's time, by the way.
Well, you could always Votoms was basically Gundam with a few Rambo and Star Wars elements plus also giving the Zakus the star role instead of the RX-78-2 Gundam (it's pretty clear Scopedogs are Zaku derived).
>>11814481 I'd counter that, not everyone can be an MD Geist, really only MD Geist and the general ripper can pull off an ILOVEWARYOUFAGGOTS and not seem edgy
Everyone else is going to hit varying degrees of "We really shouldn't be fighting anymore," but I would like to see a broader range than "UNDERSTANDING" and "Heero Yui Expy" with varying degrees of overt angst
MM: in the near-ish future mankind has solved war... by growing gigantic piloted cyborgs and throwing them into gladiatorial deathamtches... and everyone cries if the pilot gets hurt. No seriously, Meatbot pilots are describe as the last genetic lines of people who are still capable of slapping somebody upside the head let alone eating his rival's bot alive on the arena floor for some extra mass in the next tournament bracket
>>11813198 Honestly? There's a lot of mecha being made today but very few legitimate sci-fi series which is when mecha is at its best.
To be good sci-fi, you need a strong theme and message. In fact, you need that for any sort of masterpiece. That's what separates common stories from masterpieces.
When's the last time you saw a mecha series that actually had depth beyond "war sucks" and "kill your foes"? I want to see more mecha like Getter Robo Saga, Mobile Suit Gundam, Mars, Ghost in the Shell, Tetsujin-28 and even G Gundam. These are all works with strong thematic elements that make them more than just a story about metal men. Hotblood is empty without reason. Mecha action is just eye candy for high schoolers who like to ooh and ahh at fancy fighting moves (Gundam Build Fighters, I'm looking at you).
Mecha is caught in the fan trap. These directors just want to take mecha elements they like and mash it into a 12 episode anime. They lack vision and purpose. The closest mecha anime recently to break beyond that was Suisei no Gargantia. We need more mecha that goes beyond just being a story about robots and goes into what it means to be human and our place in the universe.
>>11820632 >What was the message? I thought it was just a boring manga with shitty ass-pull ending.
You didn't get the whole 'does humanity really deserve another chance?' theme. Yokoyama wasn't exactly being subtle about it. Plus, with that theme the ending isn't really an asspull.
They switched tactics and let Mars see the darker nature of humanity for himself rather than simply reading about it or seeing the aftermath. That was enough to push him into passing the guilty verdict.
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