Just finished the first episode. Here are my thoughts.
+ I enjoyed the realistic way the mechs maneuvered in zero G. They have some sort of air propulsion for space which is a nice touch.
+ everything beeps, whirrs, clacks, & makes other noises, even when it's unnecessary. Gives the show a good sci-fi feel.
+ The 3 lenses on the mechs looks really interesting, & them making a camcorder sound when they switch is a nice touch, but everything seems to make noise in this show.
- Subs were kind of hard to follow. Often times I had to pause to re-read things because of all the new character names & factions being thrown at me, though this may not be G_P's fault.
Overall, pretty promising. How many episodes do I give this before I decide to watch the whole thing? 3? 6?
>How many episodes do I give this before I decide to watch the whole thing? 3? 6?
Kind of hard to say as it takes some time before the story starts to pick up the pace. I'd say 7-9 episodes.
It depends if you like Uodoo or not. If you do (like I did, probably because of too much 2000AD as a kid), then you'll probably be into it from the second episode.
If not, then you'll have to wait a bit for things to go crazy in Uodoo and things to get extremely explode-y. But six episodes in should get you in. If you REALLY hate Uodoo then try and power through until you get to the next arc (around episode 12 or so).
Also, while I don't think they give you too much information in the first episode aside from briefly showing what the universe is, there's not going to be a big info-dump like that for a while.
I personally give things a four episode test. That way you've given the series the equivalent of a movie's worth of your time. If after that NOTHING has sparked your interest, then why keep watching?
>7-9 Episodes...before it picks up the pace
So at 25(ish) minutes an episode (estimated), that's nearly 3 and a half hours to get to the meat of the plot...? I'm sorry, but that's just shoddy pacing IMHO.
INB4 Hurrr Durrr Tenshun Span
No, three hours to get to anything interesting is just bad writing.
The problem is that some people don't like seeing stuff about corrupt police and gangs working together, quasi-illegal robot combat sports, conversations about conspiracies and why certain people are here, arrests and interrogation, heists and break-outs, and so on. They think they're boring. I don't, but some people do. So that's why some people say 'Oh 7 or 9 episodes'. For me, I don't see why after watching the first episode of VOTOMS wouldn't make you want to watch more.
This. Having a good plot to help tie things together or be entertaining in its own right is always fantastic, but there's plenty of stuff in VOTOMS which is fun to watch even if taken out of context.
I didn't say "main plot" I just said "plot". If sub plots are being built on and the groundwork of the universe is being built up and that's genuinely interesting then the narrative has plenty of hooks to work on and a solid basis for the entire story.
Where I admit I made a mistake is in thinking that it took 7-9 episodes for the first interesting thing to happen, but what was actually being stated was that in 7-9 episodes a major twist or plot point happens.
Ah, well my misunderstanding then.
Huh! I also just started watching this, OP. Currently on episode 6-7 and finding it quite engaging. It's the first classic (old) show I've watched so it took a bit to get used to the art, but after that it's been fine.
While VOTOMs has been on my radar for a while, I honestly started watching recently partly because I saw one of the Bandai 1/20 scopedog kits and really wanted one, but I felt I needed to watch the series first to get better acquainted.
Also, Coconna a best
Yeah, when Fyana shows up that's when the plot really starts moving. I'd give it at least till that, OP.
I'm 30 something episodes in and enjoying it.
I watched Dougram first so its interesting to see what things carried over into this show and what changed.
I also noticed that they did this a couple of times. I also spotted Chico and Nanashi.
I've watched every episode and I have no idea still if the scopedogs and other mechs are all overpowered (so powerful that they can defeat others with 3 or so shots) or all underpowered (everything is so weak that it just explodes at the first few shots).
In universe, they're glass canons. Lightly armored, fast, decent fire power. Built for speed and being able to work in any terrain. But this comes at the cost of being lightly armored.
There's also the obvious: It depends on the situation and the pilot. Named characters can take more damage than they should.
Just watched ep2, & wanted to highlight some thoughts
+ It looks like jazz & even classical music are going to be parts of this series, I'm really happy to see that
+ Escape Chase, corrupt police, Prison breaks, AND Mad Max Style motorcycle thugs? Pretty awesome.
+ The colors in the series sometimes surprise me. Things like the red acid rain & the rainbow control panels stood out to me
? Is animal protein really rare in the future or something? Who has a sales pitch for a frog like that. I hope little touches like that add to the world building so I can figure out if most of the world is as shitty as these slums the main character has escaped to.
+ episode ending on him sleeping in a rused out cockpit of one of his old mechs was a nice touch too.
+ Two separate instances of the main character wearing a different Face piece in the first 2 shows. Recurring theme, or is this just suppose to parallel his earlier days as a soldier?
Overall this show seems to be a bit slow, but the second episode had way more action than the first. The attention to detail is impressing me so far.
Yeah, the soundtrack for VOTOMS is pretty decent. But you may get a little tired of it towards the end. I didn't, but you might.
This is one of the things I loved about this arc.
Yeah, the colouring in VOTOMS is actually really nice. There's one or two things that seem a bit odd here and there, but I really like the design and colours on the whole
Remember that it's just after a hundred year conflict. Everything has been nuked and polluted to hell so food is scarce and rationed. Any sort of edible protein would be sought after.
Not sure if it's meaning something or a recurring theme, I think it's just because he was in the acid rain, although he does wear a face mask for certain reasons quite a few times come to think of it. It may be a theme.
>he does wear a face mask for certain reasons quite a few times come to think of it.
Well he was a pilot with a mask, then he went on the run and ended up in slums with a mask & then back in a cockpit again by the end of the episode. Kinda feels like he can't escape being a solider.
That is the theme, as given by the ending narration in the episode.
Votoms is a mecha classic and for good reason. Watch everything, you will not regret it and you'll be a better /m/an for it.
I was amazed when I noticed that that military base where Chirico was held captive at the beginning, Woodo and Kummen were all at the same planet.
You just come to expect in sci-fi stuff the old cliché of planets only having one single biome and being more akin to towns or at most countries than anything as diverse as a whole fucking planet should be.
Just finished 25, this second arc is seriously
soporific, I liked the 1st arc though
Is the next arc more enjoyable than this?
The pace is also a problem, it's fucking slow, does it improve?
>Just finished 25, this second arc is seriously soporific, I liked the 1st arc though
I'm the opposite. First arc is slow. Second one is a war epic in Space Vietnam.
>The pace is also a problem, it's fucking slow, does it improve?
Nope. It does have some really nice story arcs though.
>First arc is slow. Second one is a war epic in Space Vietnam
The second arc for me is a copy pasta of the first arc without the mystery about PS.
Currently watching the 27th, it better not end with Fyana going back to the pope-like guy and a 3rd arc being a mix between the first and the 2nd arc.
Surprised, I thought it's gonna be a reset ending with Ypsilon dying in a lance fight against Chirico
I also thought the "cardinal" will be the last boss.
Fuck, at least we're back to the city in the 3rd arc from what I've seen in the preview
Imagine this anime controlled by Bandai, 10 new Votoms models every new arc
Like everyone said, Uoodoo starts out slow, but god damn if Kuumen arc isn't amazing.
As someone who just recently finished Votoms for the first time I have to say, I didn't get hooked into Votoms until the first arc was reaching its climax. So I'd say 12 episodes, at least watch one story arc to see exactly how the story progresses, get a feel of the cast etc.
IMO 3 episode rule should only apply to a 12 episode show with 6 being for 25 episode shows.
>people who try to make a "Pros and Cons list" or a review based off of a single episode
Why do I hate this shit so much?
Just to tell you know OP, if you like the hard sci-fi feeling....you might want to let go of your attachment. As the series progresses it'll go farther into mysticism and pseudo-science.
However, why it does that will make sense in context.
It wouldn't be a shock if his design is based on Redford. It's not uncommon to make designs inspired by real people.
>But the plot becomes a weird mix of Raiders of the Lost Ark and 2001
That sounds about right, although thematically I think it's closer to Dune.
That's actually a picture of someones Microman Dual Model Zwei Scopedog.
I was referring more to the shot in the series OP that picture is reproducing. The one with the sun flickering like a nightclub strobe where I feel like I might have a seizure when I watch it.
I'm one of the few that didn't enjoy the second or first arcs all that much. But the latter arcs really fleshed out Chirco to be a great character, I enjoyed them much more than the first two.
Shit that sucks. I just finished EP3 & enjoyed how the majority of the episode was fixing a robot with character introductions sprinkled about.
Also, what's with the girl's hips? are they really that big or are those some parachute pants?
>Also, what's with the girl's hips? are they really that big or are those some parachute pants?
Look at everyone else, including Chirico. It's just the fashion of that world to have parachute pants.
>Also, what's with the girl's hips? are they really that big or are those some parachute pants?
Do you even history
True, though I'd say there's quite a bit of early aviation gear inspiration happening as well.
And what's J9 doing in here?
>True, though I'd say there's quite a bit of early aviation gear inspiration happening as well.
It's all the same thing, hombre. Those pants were common in the late 19th and early 20th century. They were used in a variety of fields, the military being one of the major areas of use.
>Shit that sucks. I just finished EP3 & enjoyed how the majority of the episode was fixing a robot with character introductions sprinkled about.
Like I said, when it gets to that point it'll make sense in the context of the story so it isn't going to feel jarring or anything.
This one? I loved it so much that I made a WebM so I can blind people anytime votoms is mentioned.
Sincerely, it always bothered the fuck out of me.
Why is the sun now a strobolight? Why is the Scopedawg slowly moving on its own? Why does the camera linger so much at that shot?
I'm on episode 6 & I'm loving the ride so far. Poor Chirico.
Am I right in saying everything would have been fine if they had just left him alone? The man was tortured at LEAST twice, & by the second time they realized that he didn't know anything.
Do they just want him dead at this point so he doesn't ask any questions & look into the girl he saw?
Everyone comparing Chirico to Space Rambo aren't far off by the way. It's refreshing to see mech fights end with decisive boxing punches.
>Tapp from Dragonar
Okay, you win.
>Petty Officer Louis Mashengo
>Redd Windu from Galient
Isn't he just Vanilla mk2, but with a whip instead of helicopters?
Also I just remembered Greg Gates and Dutch. And not too sure if the former counts.
I saw someone describe the explosions in Votoms as "Parmaggiano".
Can't really find any fault in that. IIRC it's made by putting paint on a toothbrush, or any other similar short-haired brush, and then brushing it with your thumb so specks of paint fly off and hit your subject. Of course you cover up everything you don't want speckled.
What's with the explosion changes in VOTOMS as the series progresses? The Woodo and Kummen arc explosions are a bright orange with this fantastic speckling effect and lots of smoke. Towards the end all the explosions turn into dull yellow and red blobs.
OP here & I've fallen in love with this series. Just finished 11. Is this where the series really starts to pick up?
Also, please tell me I'm not the only one who laughed at this.
Indeed they are.
Akira Nishijo alias Taichi Nishimura alias Akira Nishimura, is likely frequently responsible for the times when Chirico is given more of a cute babyface.
The famous smile frame frequently posted is his work. Defining characteristic: the cute stub-nose.
Norio Shioyama: the original character designer.
He's drawn the character so often in so many different ways it's hard to pick an identifying characteristic.
I'd say it's probably how he does Chirico's eyes as stark, simple parallelograms.
Moriyasu Taniguchi: better known as the chara designer for Layzner. Was a fanboy of Chirico's design, so Eiji's resemblance is no surprise.
Defining characteristic: pointy chins, always the pointy chins. Draws Chirico with a wider face.
At the very least they had sex at this point.