Just finishing up the TV show:
>Kanuka's replacement has zero personality or charisma, making it rather pointless to get rid of Kanuka. Should have just made her transfer for a year and have her leave at the end of the show
>Ota is everything wrong with Division 2 and he should have never been allowed near a labor to begin with
>Too many eps dealing with the core cast and not enough on side characters
>Shige got 1 episode, Hiromi got 1 episode, Shinshi got 1 episode
>Nagumo never got an episode
>Detective Takahiro Matsu never got an episode
>Shinshi got an episode, but then they demote him from Ota's command car immediately, making him irrelevant again. Should have just had him leave.
Overall, enjoyed it though I wish it had gotten a second season to flesh out the universe and characters more.
Dirty Pair reference?
Yes, this is in fact the 2nd last Patlabor series for me to watch. Next is the Second OVA series which serves as a sequel to the tv show.
I just expected that since the tv show has so many episodes it would spend a bit more time on these side characters. I mean, "a day in the life of division 1" episode basically writes itself.
Yeah... it sucks. I kinda wish they'd had Kanuka leaving being the end of the series
Ota is the comic relief, he's fine. Also the arranged marriage episode is amazing IMO
Side characters are at the side, hence side characters. This is a limited run series, not The Simpsons, where every fucking side character comes to live with them.
Nagumo basically gets a movie
Detective Matsu gets to moodily tour the sights of tokyo for a whole movie.
Shinshi is dull character, and also another form of comic relief. 'Oh look at this pussy whipped guy'
Watch the movies. You sound like you'll enjoy the more serious tone.
>Shinshi is dull character, and also another form of comic relief. 'Oh look at this pussy whipped guy'
Which is why I think he should have left. The new job offer was so good and it's only because of Status Quo rules of the universe that he had to turn it down. No sane person would. He was never appreciated at work, and just a few episodes later they kick him out of the command car. I don't even know what position he takes up after that.
And he gets demoted, which ruins the little development of that episode to make way for Not-Kanuka, who has no personality and just sorta exists.
I just finished TV as well. I'm on the second OVA right now.
Funny you feel that way about Kumagami, I read the manga first and I felt exactly the same way about Kanuka until I watched TV. Thing is, after Kanuka leaves, they start adapting the manga and they skip a couple key scenes of Kuma (namely training with Ota and Noa,remember she's seen judo throwing Ota in the OP) and that's why she feels like a boring Kanuka replacement when Kanuka is actually a Kumagami replacement.
Shinshi and Hiromi where fine to me, specially after how bland they are in the manga. I actually learned their names here! And about Shinshi, I think he was just a temporal replacement for the command car until Kumagami arrived, and every reason he had for not staying in SV2 could be summed up in one word: Ota. That episode where he almost leaves is still very weird.
I suppose Shinshi is stuck in his role as "the computer guy", and they don't have any other unit 2 member who could replace him on that front, even if he isn't allowed to use the command car.
Not in english I'm afraid... There was an unfinished spanish translation in 1999 which I tried to track down with moderate success: I only found 9 out of 12 volumes.
It still was good for understanding alternate continuities.
Yeah, that's Shinshi's job. Kind of a talented salaryman stuck in a weird environment. I guess that more or less sums up every SV2 member. They're all weirdos or very out of place there.
>>Kanuka's replacement has zero personality or charisma
See, this is the one thing I don't like about Patlabor TV. The fact that they set up Kanuka and THEN bring up Kumagami and also how they sort of "cancel" her character is is misleading as hell. Just because she takes her place in S2 doesn't mean she was intended to be like her. What they have in common is that they're both perfect cops and to a lesser degree perfect women (this is emphasized in Takeo) but the original Kuma (the one from the manga) is sort of a drill sergeant that's there from the beginning to train everybody and make the team more efficient, and she does an excellent job at keeping Ota under control (this last thing is pretty important: Kanuka sucks at that). They also gave her comedic relief in how easily frightened she is, she's a die-hard cop who can kick everybody's ass and has gone toe-to-toe with the Hong Kong mafia but she's still as meek like a little girl sometimes.
This sort of carried over the the TV version, because she is shown training Ota in both openings (judo in the first one and push-ups in the second one; and if I'm not mistaken she spars with the entire SV2 team in that "intrepid reporter" episode) and also she is still a total scaredy-cat. But generally speaking, this is completely omitted. This is a shame because I love both Kumagami and Kanuka. They're different characters and the TV version did a great job at adapting the issues from the comic it adapted except in this department. For instance, the haunted house episode is much better than its manga counterpart. So is the Griffon arc: the build up to it is amazing. Schaft and Kurosaki are introduced with the Phantom arc AND Kanuka gets development too. It's much better than what we got in the manga, just Noa fighting three Brockens Schaft sold to the House of the Sea.
tldr: Kanuka and Kumagami are different characters, Patlabor TV just gives a wrong impression by their choices with Kuma's character
>Kanuka is a Kumagami replacement
Well, yes and no. You need to take into account that Patlabor is a joint effort between the members of Headgear which started with an OVA and a manga, but even then it gets fuzzy. Kanuka comes from the OVA which released a few months earlier; Kumagami comes from the manga where she came in about as early as Kanuka did Here is were it gets confusing. In the manga timeline, Shinshi was originally the backup unit of Ota, but since he could not keep Ota in check and had health issues, when Kumagami came in (second volume) and she showed that she was better than pretty much everybody there, Goto assigned her to replace Shinshi and train SV2, specially Noa and Ota.
But in the TV series not only did they have Kanuka earlier, but they also completely fuck up Kumagami's character when she came in. The result is that she seems like she was a character made to replace Kanuka when that's hadly the case, she was designed by Masami Yuuki and used as early as 1988 in the manga, when the OVA wasn't finished yet.
So yeah, in short, they're alternate characters whose roles clash in the TV series, and Kuma gets the sort en of the stick because they handle her very poorly. In my head I choose to believe all that stuff they skip about her happens off-screen.
This is why we need a complete English translation of the manga.
Sakaki, the mechanics chief, passed away by 2013.
>not liking midnight blue
Don't get on my bad side, you.
Wow, did he really? Is there a source for that, like an interview or something? I'm curious now.
How did she even get to the patch of grass when she was in an empty field?
That was the major issue with Kumagami in the TV series as they never establish her personality or who she is. I mean in her introduction episode, they manage to imply that the rest of the cast thought she doesn't respect them even though everything she does makes her act like a stereotypical office girl. It's the only way to make scene of the scene at the end of the episode where Kumagami looks shocked when Noa correctly called the bluff of the terrorist work.
They also hammed up the fact that she gets frightened, well beyond the over reaction we saw when Goto was teasing her. She outright fainted and had to have Hiromi carry her several times in the show.
But the big problem was they never did anything to establish her actual abilities or do anything to have her build a meaningful relationship with the rest of SV2. In the Manga, it was established she was a super cop with a reputation to match. But Ota still only respected Kumagami because she was a lieutenant and not because of her abilities. It was only after Kumagami trained Noa to best Ota in hand-to-hand labor combat and Ota recognized Kumagami's abilities and WILLINGLY went to her to help him become a better labor pilot. This scene never happened in the TV series, but in the 2nd OVA, it was mentioned by Kanuka that she was envious that Kumagami was able to keep Ota under control. But for the most part Kumagami didn't have any sort of spot light in the TV series to develop her character or relationships with the rest of the team like Kanuka did. Hell, they just dropped her relationship with Wong at the end of the Griffin arch and made her look like a fool when Wong was able to manipulate her. The TV series just did a piss poor job of handling Kumagami as a whole, and you really need to read the Manga to get a better feel for the character.
>Hating Midnight Blue
Way I read it was the TV series was supposed to be shorter than it actually was. So since they already set up the Kanuka leaving plot line and since time actually seemed to pass in the series they had little choice but to bring in Kumgs.
that said there was a real wasted opportunity. Noa and Kanuka coming to respect each othere's methods and being friends was a really nice thing the show had that humanized the characters a great deal
This fucking guy.
Nagumo never showed any interest in Goto aside from that one time in the first movie that she soaked through her panties because he was being all competent and awesome towards the end, it was never going to go anywhere. Just be glad that Oshii made the only relationship that could actually go anywhere canon as fuck for both animated continuities.
I'm not sure but I don't think the Griffon arc had concluded in the manga when they adapted it, so they gave it a different ending.
In the manga he tries to rape Kumagami and uses her as a hostage to get out of the country after Noa wrecks Bud's shit. A Shaft Security Services man assassinates him before he can get on the plane, stabbing him and leaving him to bleed to death. Also he bought Bud from an international pedophile grooming ring.
Jesus Christ, Asuma
He probably still felt bad about the time he got mad at Noa for telling him to sort shit out with his father. In fact, he tries to do just that.
It's similar, but it isn't the same.
Eh, actually, watch/read everything. The manga handles Kumagami better but the TV series is better at pretty much everything else. If you enjoy both you'll have more context for Kumagami AND enjoy the glorious random adventures in between.
I head-canon Noa and Asuma as a couple, but it's probably wishful thinking. Honestly one of the things that keeps me watching shows is romance subplots. But what gets me even more is when its a twist, like in the original Macross. I'm a soppy git at heart. Patlabor had me begging them to get together or show affection. I'd get excited any time there seemed to be something leaning to that effect, like them hanging out or in the movies eating together, etc.
The way they subtly do it, it makes it so that if you want it to be there, you see it, and if you don't care about it, it's not there.
They did so much together that they were practically a couple as it was, it didn't help that the entire cast ships them.
That's why it was no surprise when Oshii made it canon in TNG.
That wasn't going anywhere to begin with, movie 2 was just the last nail in the coffin. At least the partners with great chemistry that genuinely cared for each other finally fucked, even if we never got an on-screen conclusion.
Kanuka's not interested if you get my drift
>Asuma is working for his dad's company
>Noa is working for SHI too as a test pilot
Asuma's choice seems almost inexplicable, and Noa's makes it clear that he's running with the movie characterization.
>Oversized, baggy uniform
>Can't actually see her face
>Moving from one traditionally male-dominated field into another
Not the best evidence.
I'm not saying that she's super feminine, quite the opposite in fact, but she's still well short of being a bloke drawn without a penis.
>>looks like a boy
A few characters outright say that. There's the film crew episode where before she spoke, they thought she was a boy. And I think Ota said something about when she wears makeup she finally looks like a girl.
So finishing up New Files. After this I'm done all Patlabor animation.
>Light novels (un translated)
>The Next Generation -Patlabor- (un translated)
Well considering his age, it would most likely just be natural causes.
I'm more curious about Ota. What'd that nigga do? Did he finally kill someone?
For Ota I would have killed him off at the end of movie 2. It was the perfect chance. They were fighting two military labors, and their ammo punches right through the Ingrams. That they didn't get hit is due to just pure luck. I would have had Ota taken a would which would have killed him. Noa is of course, too important to kill off like that. And it'd be a fitting end to Ota, dying bravely in battle.
Well, they did have ERA vests on which gave an amazing flak jacket look to the Ingrams, that probably keep them safe. Apparently Ota got into a brawl of some kind.
Don't even mention the possibility, even if it is to dismiss it. Shame on you.
Wow, poor Kumagami, no matter the continuity she always gets the
I'm surprised the manga got that dark, Utsumi did blow up those SSS guys with a bomb but even that was sort of "unhappy" for Patlabor. Did Ohta save her at least? The manga seemed to imply they had something for each other.
Or maybe that's just me.
>For Ota I would have killed him off at the end of movie 2.
Movie 2 is really serious, especially in comparison to the rest of franchise. But I think killing off a character like that would have been a step in the wrong direction. When the movie ends you're suppose to breath a sigh of relief, because no matter how dark it got everything turned out alright in the end. It would have been unfitting to end the franchise, for the then foreseeable future, on such a bitter sweet note.
>Noa and Asuma had a thng for each other
>implying Asuma had it any better with Noa NTRing the fuck outta him with Alphonse
Actually if I could watch these on actual VHS tapes I would do it, it would be very nice for nostalgia reasons.
Since I have to watch them on a tiny ass screen it's the next best thing tho. Also they hardly take any space either that's good too.
Yup, at least in /m/ characters she's up there with Jiron.
They look like they're from the official English DVD release. Which was basically VHS rips of Laserdiscs put onto DVDs.The VOTOMS DVD release was pretty much the same.
US Manga Corps died for a very good reason.
Central Park Media has commited war crimes against Patlabor.
Why would anybody ever want to? All she does is cause collateral damage several orders of magnitude larger than required and get really angry at just about everybody with little to no provocation.
eh, I always headcannoned Noa as being totally asexual/too invested in Alphonse to ever notice actual human beings. And not like "married to the force" I mean like "haha what even are men"
Noa doesn't look like a boy, she's just not supposed to be incredibly pretty like every other anime girl is supposed to be.
Also, I don't think you understand how homosexuality works
That is awesome. Gotta love worldbuilding details like that. I've always hated half-arsed in universe kit that just has promo details on the reverse or something rather than going the whole way with it.
The world building in TNG is so detailed it's almost crazy. Especially in the SV2 hangar.
They probably pulled out the whole "Section 1 was disbanded" thing out of necessity. Otherwise, they would need to put in twice the effort in the live-action hangar.
I don't speak moon, but these looks like commendations for
>Movie 1 events by SHI in 1999
>Movie 2 events by the government in 2001
Trips speak the truth. Nice catch.
You know, Goto was the only part of SV2 that was actually in division 2 and not either maintenance crew or off in other related roles during the events come to think of it.
What interests me the most is what happens when you mouse over these containers in the virtual set tour:
"The contents of these containers will be revealed over the course of secret event [something]."
The events of the movie, perhaps?
The whole of episode 12 revolves around a "legacy of SV2" left behind by these two. Could be that but I doubt it's something tangible.
If you check the other wall next to the one with those awards, there's three more awards, including one from
I agree that the legacy is probably something more intangible. Hence, the containers are likely something else entirely.
The mouseover text indicates that the console belongs to Akira.
Yuuma's cubby is stacked with plane plamo.
The one on the right is from SHI and a certificate of appreciation for them apprehending someone who was blackmailing their president, left is a commendation from the metropolitan police security department chief and a generic "good job all these years" thing.
They ARE dated 99 and 01 though (Heisei 11 and 13)
Ah, the leftmost one in THAT is for the events of the first movie (also dated Heisei 11, commendation for them solving a case with Labours going out of control all over the city)
>The world building in TNG is so detailed it's almost crazy.
The convenience mart is having a campaign to promote how fucking REIDEEN is getting a live action drama.
So is TNG any good?
It's weird to revive Patlabor with a live action show. Japs aren't as well known for making good live action. DId they make it live action just to make it different from the animated shows from before?
It's pretty good.
I wouldn't say it's as good as the original series- A lot of the comedy is pretty bad (at times it's more cartoonish than the goddamned cartoon version) and the acting isn't great and a lot of it depends on you being familiar with the rest of the series.
But it's better than nothing, and isn't bad. That's good enough for me.
>And what is it? Is it a TV show or a film series? Are these shown in theaters? Looks like a tv show.
The series is direct to video releases (like OVAs without the A) that also aired in cinemas for 2-3 weeks each time (watched it in cinemas myself).
The final part is a full-fledged movie that'll be released during Golden Week this year.
Almost done The New Files. Holy shit this might be my favorite itineration of Patlabor yet.
>Better animation than the tv show.
>More music and higher quality music
>Break from the tv show's format of 10 minutes non-robot story and 10 minutes robot action
>Range of funny stories, action stories, and emotional stories
>Some of the best episodes ever
>lots of eps where there's no robot action and just focus on the characters
As a minus:
>Griffin storyline was anti-climatic
I just watched the kid show episode and the public bath episode.
My chest still hurts from that part were the riot police think Ota is the kidnapper.
And yes, the animation is fantastic.
The transition to live action is smooth and believable. Especially with Shigeru Chiba acting out his own role. It's like what the Transformers movies aspire to be but could never achieve.
Content-wise, even though TNG takes place in the movie continuity, several episodes are direct live-action adaptations of Patlabor TV episodes.
Could someone explain the episode ""Snow Rondo" episode?
The one where Shinohara meets some ghost lady girlfriend and there's dreams and multiple timelines? I loved the episode, but it was a little confusing and it was the last thing I'd expect in a Patlabor series. So, she died right? Then she uses her ghost magic to say goodbye to Asuma.
Rankin the Patlabors:
1. Movie 2
2. New Files
4. Movie 1
5. Early Days
Despite the good animation, I didn't like Early Days that much. I also saw Movie 1 and 2 first, so I barely knew these characters. I'm going to re-watch them.
Ghost story/Asuma coming to terms with past so he can start building a relationship with Noa, right before the finale where he tells her how his brother died. We had a thread about that episode a while ago.
Kumagami was pretty awesome in the manga. I didn't quite get the part where she was between a fight with Asuma and Noa because it was in fucking italian dammit.
And I already said I have the raws and the italian translation of the manga.
I volunteer to scanlate it if somebody translates from the original, because the italian version seems to have some lines altered, and it would lose all sense to double translate it.
That's my interpretation of it as well, I think I remember the thread. It seems pretty detached from normal Patlabor but I can't think of another way to have it make sense within the context of the series. I don't know, maybe I'm just a pathetic shipper in denial.
It was either a dragon or a kaiju, they never quite agreed.
It was just some kind of mutant thing. Then there was WXIII which was a similar mutant thing. And then there was the Hiromizilla. And then there was the giant albino crocodile.
And then TNG has a fucking dinosaur.
>It was either a dragon or a kaiju, they never quite agreed.
you're talking the ep with the sportslabor and the woods and stuff from early in, right?
It's clearly Totoro.
Clearly, the biggest difference between the OVA/Movie and TV timelines is the existence of ghosts.
I like OVA2 but I'm of the opinion that it has a few too many completely off topic episodes. I know this sounds like a strange complaint for Patlabor, but it's jarring coming off three or so focused explicitly on the Griffon arc to go right back into normal relaxed Patlabor stuff. Still has some of the best episodes of TV, though.
For your sake I hope you are just trolling.
How about you just watch one of the most loved and recommended things on /m/? It's cute mecha police doing cute things while occasionally doing serious things, with the movies being significantly more serious than any other version of the franchise. Oshii directed the first two movies and a lot of the OVAs and TV series, the franchise was his baby along with the rest of Headgear.
>the franchise was his baby along with the rest of Headgear.
That alone would make some people instadrop it.
>The first movie in particular is probably the best mecha movie out there.
You seem extremely determined to not be recommended a series you asked about, anon.
What's unique about Patlabor is that it has a rather cynical attitude towards /m/echa. The creators and the characters understand how impractical giant robots are but still love them anyways. It's as if /m/ was one big fat tsundere.
Couple that with an extremely likeable cast of characters and you have one of the most memorable /m/ franchises
inb4 in the TNG movie they go "holy shit we can't handle this, he may be a dangerous criminal but we need help from... HIM"
>new Generations is a bunch of new characters
Don't care. I want to see my beloved team again. I have no investment in these new people.
Do they at least explain what happened to the old cast? Ota and Sasaki were mentioned.
Is Noa off piloting military labors? I want that to be her future. Married to Asuma.
Why military labors? TV had her outright reject an offer to, and movie 2 had her decide that while she loves labors she doesn't want them to define her identity, and I can't think of a more identity a defining way to pilot labors than the JGSDF.
I just got done with the first and second Patlabor movies, and I have a question.
Why the absolute fuck do people prefer the second movie to the first, or even like it at all? It was nothing but pretty cinematography, a half-baked political message about the JSDF's involvement in shit, and a rehash of the military takeover plot from the OVA. The first movie crafted such an intricate detective plot that kept you guessing and waiting for the next revelation, while this one was just filled up with silent shots of scenery for a third of it.
It's an Oshii film. If you don't like it, you don't like Oshii.
I adore his films. Stray Dog is 2/3 just scenery shots while gorgeous music plays. Love that stuff. Adored those scenery shots in Ghost in the Shell too.
>having any equipment still working
They can barely get the Ingrams moving. The last time there was a fight in the show (against the Russian labor) all Akira's had to do was kneel and shoot and the kneeling part broke its leg.
>Everything bad about Ota is because of the shit subs
No. Ota has faster response times to orders but his movements were less efficient. Noa was a little slower off the mark but ended up completing movements sooner, using slightly less power.
>Why the absolute fuck do people prefer the second movie to the first
A lot of people on /m/ prefer the first to the second.
But they're plebs and it always comes down to "muh noa".
More Noa is nice, but I think it presents a far tighter and more enjoyable experience. 2 makes some astute observations about the ethics of the position Japan considers itself to have in international politics and has some outstanding sequences, but it's too Oshii for its own good. The focus on the two least seen characters of OVA1 and TV without actually adding anything that couldn't be seen or inferred before at the cost of attention to the other characters who are actually developing didn't help, either.
You can say what you want about Ota, but his protege in TNG is even MORE incompetent.
Instead of MERELY being a trigger-happy gun-nut like Ota, Otawara is a drunkard with twice the insanity.
I was gonna call the acting in Next Generation bad, but then I realized that they're propably copying the exaggerated comedy style of acting from anime. It just looks really weird in live action.
At least it's crazy.
The main cast is mostly okay except for Hiromichi (notHiromi) and Otawara (notOta).
The new maintenance guy, Buchiyama (who takes over Shige's old role while Shige take's over Sakaki's) is alright too.
It's mostly the guests like the convenience mart terrorists and the kaijuu episodes' mayor who ham it up way too hard.
Doesn't help that some of the episodes' directors seem to think that since the show is based on a cartoon it ought to have goddamned looney tunes level slapstick shit in it (which looks ridiculously out of place).
Actually now that I think about it the dinosaur episode might have ended with an explosion too, making it three. Can't quite recall.
Did I mention the fucking Scooby Doo chase scene with a dinosaur suit? Because that happened too. Granted, it was a sequel to the albino crocodile episode, but still.
There are some things that should not make the transition. That chase seems like one of them. All they had to do was make The Office but with japanese mecha police and it would be the perfect live-action adaption.
I don't think I like new Noa. What does the maintenance team think of her? Old Noa was pretty widely liked and/or the team waifu.
Not sure about team waifu but the maintenance team has its own gurls now.
Yeah I guess they're all clean and healthy now.
I think tiny and weak might be a bit harsh, but she was certainly lacking when it came to physical presence. She held her own just fine against a criminal armed with a knife that one time, so it's not like she's helpless.
This I agree with.
Pic related on the other hand is not the type of absurdity I expected or wanted. (Especially not in an otherwise serious episode with Kasha having to kill the guy who taught her sniping)