>>12382985 Minato isn't the protagonist. Fuck, he actually developed from being an asshole to just being plain hotblooded so he could have a chance to best his rival. More development than Sekai has, especially considering he only had a minimal amount of appearances comparatively.
And he had made/fought using the best MS ideas in the show ( a Brave Gundam and an MS Girl )
They took what was kind of a parody of kid's toy shows and turned it into an actual kid's toy show.
No caemos, barely anyone from the previous series. The second half of the series barely had old mobile suits show up as background fodder considering we saw almost everyone's team by the halfway point and no one was changing suits.
It was less a love letter to Gundam and more a "Gunpla Battle" series. Heck, in the second opening animation, there aren't any scenes of building, only fighting. And since every gunpla (with one exception) at that point is a unique scratch build, there's less of it that's Gundam over Gunpla.
Also, Jigen Haoh is actually worse than Build Knuckle...
>>12382985 Lady has no reason to exist. She's literally a rule 63 Meijin down to using a goddamn SD Red Warrior (which we don't even see until the last episode) and Fumina's role model could easily be anybody else and nothing would change.
Fuck's sake, we don't even learn Lady's real name nor do we get any exposition why she's so reluctant to admit that she was the Stargazer pilot when Fumina first encounters her.
>>12382985 Fumina's mom doing fuck all to get Fumina and Sekai together.
Seriously, we go from built-up love parings/soulmates to a disorganized harem mess starring Mr. center of the universe. When the love interests have more chemistry with side characters than they do with the main lead, you have a problem.
>>12383312 I think rather than being reluctant to admit it, it was just such an unimportant tournament to her that she completely forgot about it. Understandable, since Try's battles are very forgettable.
One thing I hate about Try is how angry everyone is about Gunpla. Sure, they go "But we love it", but it just doesn't feel genuine. In S1 everyone became friends through the power of gunpla and was just having a good time. In S2, dicks like Sugita and the White Wolves still remain dicks.
>>12383403 Too many fucking characters and not enough development for any of them. Just a bunch of poorly choreographed fights that we're supposed to care about because that's literally all there is, unlike S1.
>>12383214 This. Teams were rarely a cohesive unit, more a collection of individuals. At first I was really excited about the concept because I assumed that we would see how the team meshed over time. Instead it becomes a series of 1v1 battles that are extremely weak because now 3 of them have to fit into 1 episode. SD-R, SRSC, and Von Braun showed examples of TEAM strategies. Try Fighters and Celestrial Sphere were a bunch of individuals fighting. GBFT should have shown off strategy trumping strength or ass-pull powers, not the other way around.
For this reason it falls into the tired shounen fighting cliche rather than rising above it.
Funny/weird/crazy/dumb Try speculations I remember: >Mirai and Sekai are Aila's and Reiji's kids >Yuuma's nemesis and Adou Saga aren't same person >Reiji is Sekai's master >Sei made Build Burning to share the damage with its pilot(it was just assimilation) >The final episode will have Reiji, Aila, Sei VS >Lady will be awesome and play in an actual team >Shia can actually feel gunpla "emotions" >Yuuki and Alan broke up(possibly true) >BBG has Arista inside it >Shimon will be edgy/chuuni >Yuuma will become Dark Yuuma >Minato will be tsundere for Fumina(turns out he was tsundere for Yuuma, so this one was close) >Sei will do something >SD-R will deliver battle like Renatos and be sexy entertaining shotas instead boring and forgettable "characters" >there will be Sekai VS Reiji >there will be S3 with World tournament
>>12383781 It was actually at the start of episode 10 and she only said that to appear strong. Regardless, that was one of the more emotional scenes in Try. Gyanko was really one of the few enjoyable characters.
>>12383783 >Yuuma's nemesis and Adou Saga aren't same person They're not. The guy we saw in the flashback was a completely different person. The fact that this wasn't addressed is just more evidence of how little the staff cared.
>>12383781 That scene was actually one of the few well done scenes in Try, she said it because she didn't want to show weakness in front of Fumina, you can see tears in her eyes when she leaves and Fumina thinks "she's not being honest". Considering how important R-GyaGya was for her it's natural she keeps using that. This was when they were actually being subtle with the characterization by SHOWING what kind of personality they have.
Now Wilfrid is an example of terrible character, the episode before final battle we have Shia and Alan straight out explaining us "oh, Wilfrid is this and this kind of person" despite him not showing that kind of personality traits through this show at all.
First half = pretty good show, characterization was handled nicely Second half = utter shit except for Tryon and final episode, not a single one good new character introduced, the good ones from first half just get forgotten
>>12383826 Dude it was already confirmed by the BD booklet they're same person, just give it a rest.
>>12383090 >- Shit got way too serious over a plastic toys battle >tfw Mamoru doesn't get negative reaction after losing, instead gets hyped because he now has a friend with same hobby Something's wrong when grade school kids act more mature and like this is a hobby.
>>12383810 >Now that actually makes sense. Except for the fact that now there's 2 Domons running around; Sekai's master and that kid from the S1 cameo sequences (assuming he didn't grow up stupidly fast and is the same guy).
>>12383214 >Only Sekai shouts attacks and it's not even spam >If by harem you mean the MC not getting any girls, fine >He liked Gunpla ever since Fumina showed it to him >Sekai gets his ass handed to him constantly and Yuuma or Fumina always saves him
Sekai might be the ace of their team, but he's the weakest fighter in their team if you guys haven't noticed.
Fumina and Yuuma can shoot projectiles, at pinpoint accuracy at that too.
They bail Sekai out all the time. Not to mention their mobile suits are pretty darn OP. Winning Beam? Yeah, more like CARRY THE WHOLE TEAM BEAM. She got shuriken funnels, an amplification gate that also doubles as an I-field barrier - wow, that's so underpowered man.
Lightning gundam's suicidal tactics paired with good dakka and unparalleled speed makes good use of Yuuma's skills as a ranger. Did you also happen to forget that Yuuma's lightning gundam carried them a couple of times too, even rivalling Tryon-3 in firepower.
And then we have Build burning. Gets shit on by his recklessness and his lack of good piloting ability isn't helping either. It takes ONE slip up and he's incapacitated.
What is Build Burning good for? Fighting Melee mobile suits as well as a "Finisher Move" for the whole team.
>>12384162 >>12384179 Great argument skills you have there. Did you completely forget about the scene in S1 where Fellini acts like typical Try character for a moment and then gets told by Kirara that he's not being cool at all? When Ral tells Reiji that the reason they can take it seriously is because they're not involved in actual war and no one gets hurt, and then Try completely breaks this by introducing the assimilation theme just to add unnecessary drama?
I was actually impressed that Sekai DIDN'T carry the team. Sure, he won some fist fights for them, but I was delighted to see Yuuma kicking some major ass with the Lightning Gundam and Fumina having a lot of gadgets and even a transformation.
It was actually quite fresh air because in the first season, Reiji, who also never had any previous experience with Gunpla OR FIGHTING, did everything with Sei's RG system.
I was often Impressed by the Lightning, and Yuuma's suicide runs were always really fun, it always seemed to me like Yuuma was the underdog and gave it his all and completed his goal. The id had some great maneuvering as well. Fumina did'nt quite get the "cool" scenes she could have, but even in the end she was still the one holding the team together and had enough cool gadgets to keep things interesting,
Sekai is just incredibly boring to watch unfortunately.
They literally only lost to Tatsuya in their exhibition fight. All other fights they won with RG System and Build Knuckle.
Build Burning just has an RG plavsky hax installed in it and at least Sekai tries to do different stuff instead of punching, which is Reiji's only attack but since he's a newtype from the moon he can right?
>>12384292 No, pretty much the opposite. With Tryon 3 I actually understand particles running out but not Crossbone, especially when it didn't even do much during the fight compared to the beam spam fest in Try Fighters VS Academy.
it's not nitpicking it's understanding story telling and pacing.
>Reiji and Sei get a win early, feel like their hot shit >Yuki: Hah hah no. loser. get on my level >Dammit we need to get on his level
and then they worked their asses off to get on said level.
The Try fighters are a collection of morons who can't work together and get rewarded for it. Whatever happened to teaching Sekai how to shoot? Oh we don't need that when we can Chiken How are you, fuck training!
>>12384371 >What is so different about RG system plavsky hax and Assimilation hax? Assimilation isn't "hax" like the RG System that's specifically created by Sei, it's some kind of super power that Sekai has for some reason(not that he's the only one, considering they knew about it before). It works when the story needs it to work, then they forget about it completely.
>>12384419 >you're the one ignoring the fact that people find the team boring because they don't grow or earn any of their victories. >The universe bends to give them an edge and then everyone lines up to say how awesome they are.
Like in the first season. Awesome.
>well for starts SEI ACTUALLY BUILT HIS! Sekai's been riding someone else's hax machine.
But Sei built the one Sekai uses.
Yeah, I see you don't have any arguments.
Just admit that Try is as bad as the first season and shut the fuck up.
>>12384437 The story didn't need it before. Why would it, when lot of battles were just jobbers jobbing to someone only to make them look strong and threatening players? Then we get Crossbone battle where the fighters finally are supposed to be equal and they need some kind of way to give the battle a conclusion and doesn't include any of Academy players losing.
>>12384470 How it can not be originally him when the credits in episode 2 clearly say his name is Adou Saga? It could be that they ended up changing Adou's design, or that he looked younger two years ago and suddenly got manly chin, or that the guy in your image is just Yuuma's vision of things for the dramatic effect. After everything in Try, the mystery of Adou's chin is the least serious problem.
>>12384486 After the fight, Wilfrid actually says "if your particles didn't run out...", so maybe. Though that was quite poor way to show it because to me it didn't look like Academy was having serious problems with Crossbone at all. They even had the "win" button in Transient that gave it wings and then Crossbone was dead.
>>12384509 I don't get why people ever thought this, I mean >designs don't really match >voices don't match, Hosoya voiced both that guy and Adou >Junya wasn't connected to Yuuma's character arc at all, makes no sense for him to suddenly be his nemesis
>>12384530 Junya's fighting style is whatever makes him stronger that day, plus almost every martial art ever. There's nothing to say he wouldn't use some edgy gendumb that rips shit limb from limb because its strong.
>>12384561 >adou shows up and is just a hotblooded sportsman and doesn't remember shit Adou was basically supposed to be not so brutal Dio, the guy who doesn't remember how many breads he has eaten. They even described him as "that guy who broke over 1000 toys". Then they try to show he's actually pretty cool guy and has best personality out of his awful team, then suddenly he still gets bad end with his wrist. I never asked this.
Why they didn't show Shimon VS Sekai in that final brawl? Is it because if Shimon uses just a little bit improved machine he could blow the shit out of Sekai and that would make him look weak? Kind of weird that they chose Suga out of all people.
>>12384567 You're missing the point, though. Junya isn't someone who wants to use martial arts to become a better gunpla battler (willing to use any gunpla and/or weapons tech), he's trying to use gunpla battle to become a better martial artist (willing to use any kind of hand-to-hand combat). The kitbash monster that Yuuma fought years ago wasn't in any way, shape, or form meant to be useful for martial arts, it was a mishmash of several different kinds of technological weapons. Standing there and launching remote weapons and claws at his target is clearly not Junya, both Adou and Suga who have fought Junya before know that Junya mainly uses Jigen Haoh.
Besides, Yuuma said he was replaying the tournament fight in his mind to figure out how to defeat Adou's GN bits, and Yuuma's tactics were working at first against the Gundam The End's bits, until Adou pulled out the alternate mode where the bits can combine into a larger, stronger mode that was harder to take down.
I'll quit if Season 3 is 5 on 5. That sounds insane and like a cluster fuck but I wouldn't put it passed them at this point.
However if it's some fucking squad based 8th MS team shit Ill be okay.
>>12384419 >The lack of shit like this I really liked that Baseball episode. There was nothing like that in Try, no fucking Wacky Racers/ Mario Kart tier race either this time. That was the world tournament though so I guess it had to had more variety due to all the damn participants but still the fact that there was nothing crazy like that in Try bugs me.
>>12384750 Nah man, season 3 should be about full squads.
10 units fielded on the front, and then a bench as deep as the ships you can field. That's right you have to build your own white base to house, repair, and launch your gunpla.
Back up suits waiting in the hangar. Substitutes that can fly out while you fly back in for repairs.
Anyone stationed on the ship has to operate defense as well as crew the bridge.
It would be incredible because then you can have a traditional sports series where the team is the focus and team play is important, and then you only have to develop the rival team alongside one or two players from other teams to make it exciting.
I noticed that Try literally reuses a lot of concepts in the first season.
>Red-haired fighter >Blue haired builder >Yellow and using an SD >Ramba Ral and Ramba-Ral suit >Fighting the Meijin who has a red suit >Mejin candidate >Final tournament battle is an Exia mod >Tournament battle in the first place >SD combat >Bearguy >Gunpla Races, suddenly interrupted in the middle of the race, losing at the last second >Gunpla Idol who is semi-competent at fighting >dudes who use operator tactics (remote triggered explosives, surpressing fire) >mysterious white-haired waifu who takes down a giant mobile armor single-handedly with a "grunt" unit (the Portent is a Trailblazer worker unit IIRC) and who has some sort of relationship with the red-haired guy >Particle Inner Frame >Final move is punching the other guy >Making one gunpla out of multiple gunpla >build/fight episode >rival who uses Gyan-type and is promptly demoted to background when that arc is done >lethal mysterious tournament opponent who can multikill enemy gunpla easily >said indestructible opponent is taken out by exploiting particles >gunpla Shingyo school of building >Said shingyo osakan is in a build-related rivalry with the blue-haired character >said osakan faces off against the blue-haired builder in a battle of build skill (aka who built their shit better) AND USES A FUCKING SWORD FINISHER >apparently some sort of crystal at the source of powers (Arista vs. that thing inside the BB) >Episode 23 "twist" (Dark Matter vs. Fapping Hand) >rapidly escalating plavasky hacks >gunpla fesitval >Free-for-all battle >widespread particle emission
(a fair bit of them may just be me reading into it too much)
The problem is that it kinda didn't really do anything with these concepts. They just kinda threw them in there because they were there in S1.
>Newcomer winning the tournament in their first try (Reiji and Try Fighters) >The Kansai builder did something that annoyed the crush >The rival faces someone from Europe in the semi-finals, whom are both blonde (Julian and Lucas)
So with those concepts, they just made a pretty generic plot. After all the goings-on in S1, it just seems a letdown.
>hurr you keep comparing it to S1
Damn right I'm comparing to S1. This was supposed to be a sequel from the same damn studio. They should have kept some goddamn notes on "how we made S1 not a bland shitshow," but that's opinions.
Also was swapping out some concepts for others. Instead of ingenuity in building and subduing opponents with build-related fixes and solutions (Cotton, Super Glue, MAKING your own gimmicks), we had Harem Hijinx, Gunpla have become less "extensions of personality" and more "we can't punch each other physically so we'll have THIS COOL TOY do it instead"
They also didn't really make characters that had "good" interactions.
Sei, who roped Reiji to pilot his Build Strike, after Reiji "granted Sei's wish" to keep the Build Strike out of Sazaki's hands, and they combined their interests in Gunpla battle.
We had Sei and Reiji's rivalry with Yuuki, before Yuuki had to become the third meijin.
We had Fellini's mentorship of Reiji, ending in Build Strike and Fenice putting their skills and workman ship on the line.
We had Sei's build-type rivalry with Mao, about whose build quality and ingenuity is the superior one, which came to a head with the Build Strike vs. X-Maoh fight
We had Kirara and Sei have an ideological clash about gundam fandom, with Kirara moving beyond trying to exploit it and instead moving to embrace it
>>12385457 We had China and Caroline, although that was a one-sided rivalry what was played for laughs and was solved with build-ingenuity (the cotton stuffing), and this was a PLOT POINT to help Sei along with the Star Build Strike, so it was actually important.
We had Nils vs. Greco/Sei in another ideological clash of "Piloting skills vs. plavasky hax"/"gunpla battles to have fun vs. means to an end."
Even one-shot fights like Luang and Czommer were FROM their personalities (Luang respected Sei's building skills and was literally gushing about them before their "fight" and Czommer was there to get revenge on Felinni for stealing his girl) and not ONLY their personalities (well, maybe Czommer, but he was there to get blown up by Felinni, so make of that what you will).
I could go on. Yuuki vs. the Renato Bros. for "gunpla battle as a game vs. gunpla battle as a war," Aila being pretty much forced to gunpla battle against her will, Yuuki and Julian fighting to prove that Yuuki was not going to repeat the Tryhard policies of the 2nd Meijin, Yuuki apparently going against this policy when he faced off against Sei and Reiji who had to literally punch Yuuki back to his senses, etc. etc.
Try had RIVAL RIVAL STRENGTH FIGHT STRENGTH. That was pretty much about it, imo. No real interaction besides "WE GONNA BEAT YOU," "GOTTA BEAT YOU BECAUSE" and "GRRR YOU AIN'T GONNA BEAT US." Honestly. The only ones that stick out are Yuuma's revenge boner, Junya's strength boner, and Minato's rivalry boner, and I could argue that these were all the characters were. The conflicts were their personalities, not extensions or clashes, and that made them pretty damn 1D.
Didn't help that for a lot of the introductions, people were assholes. Yuuma was an asshole, Modeling pres was an asshole, White Dingos were assholes, SDR were smug assholes, Gunpla academy were mostly assholes, Purple Shinki team were also mostly assholes, Minato was an cocky asshole, Junya was an asshole. etc. etc. Try boiled character introductions down to "and then there's THIS asshole," with a few exceptions, like Shia, Sleggar, and the other guys of Build Busters but they weren't developed a lot further than their introductions.
Were we supposed to root for Try Fighters beating these guys? because all it did was just not make me interested in them, adding on to a lot of the characters suddenly not being relevant anymore.
And where/what was the conflict? S1 had a pretty straightforward conflict, aka "be world champs!!!" but we also had the hidden conflict of Chairman Manchild trying to get Sei and Reiji booted out, and we had the subplot of Nils finding out the secret of the Plavasky Particle, so we had something to look at besides TOURNEY BATTLES!
Try just had "U-19 QUALIFIERS!" and everyone's treating it like it's the Universe Gunpla Championship, and even then the fighters in S1 were mostly respectful of each other and were testing their gunpla as much as they were testing their piloting skills. Try is literally trying too hard to make it serious, and the fights, probably due to budget reasons, were not as fun to watch. So when they're all "THIS IS FUN," it's just empty. It's like S1 sets it at one volume (be serious but enjoy!) while Try flips between two very different settings (SRS BSNS <-> LOL FUN FUN), and the result is that Try just doesn't seem to know what they were doing.
I could go on with more points and naysaying, but not my personal blog, just throwing my brick into the window.
TLDR: Try tried to make ice cream sundae, made frozen milk instead.
>>12384750 >However if it's some fucking squad based 8th MS team shit Ill be okay.
Ya know, back in season 1 I figured the americans and europeans must have had a sizable fan made ruleset on gunpla battle that was more centered on tactical warfare type stuff. As well as people who used it for a spin on TTRPGs, Zaku fighters and Dom wizards taking out massive custom built gunpla dragons. Especially after seeing the episode where Ral takes Reiji to the gunpla gentlemen's club where middle aged men like him all dress up as feddies and zekes.
It reminds me every time I watch an episode how much of anime is essentially just a slide show of images.
Normally I can force myself to forget this animation style (as well as the terrible anime lip syncing where mouths make the same shape), but Try makes it really hard when even in mech battles it's just still-images moving in up or down or side to side.
The only ones that I would consider to be assholes is Forehead and maybe SRSC's coach (we should only focus on Yuuma since the other twos are unknowns he said, and then NOT AS PLANNED happened), the rest of them seems to be pretty chill dudes
To tell you the truth i actually forgot about the Ez-8 dudes when i was raging on my hate-boner, and I can't recall a lot of details about some of the teams because I pretty much forgot what they were like.
I'd chalk that up to the characters being pretty generic/1D and me having a shitty memory.
There was like nothing tying it into S1, the characters sucked/were underutilized/underdeveloped, 3v3 REALLY hurt the show, and the two tournament format was just fucking terrible.
The sad thing is fixing the show would be so easy. Just make the cast not a team. Pick any of the three for the focal character. Sekai could be a newbie to gunpla who wants to break in, using gunpla as an extension of his martial arts and trying to constantly seek ways to beat opponents and learn like Junya, while also learning how to build. Let him start with a custom Shining Gundam and BB is his upgrade.
Or have Fumina as the main character, trying to get good because she was inspired by watching Aila. This would set up a rivalry with Lucas, because he knows Aila too, and it would tie her to S1. Or Yuuma, his whole revenge-fueled mindset and him being a traumatized pussy could make for an interesting main character.
If they weren't forced to be a team and shoved around competing for screentime, any one of them could have been great.
And make the qualifiers more event-based like the tournament in S1. You have to get points to get within a certain ranking by fighting people/winning gunpla races/whatever to get into the nationals and fight it out for real. That would give you the chance to have the main characters lose, to have people show up more than once, etc.
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