I still don't understand how Urobuchi said the central theme is a parallel to the job market.
I keep looking over it but I just don't see it. If he said it's about how if mutual coexistence is possibile one should seek it, then yes I can see that. If it was about self-determination and not just blindly being part of a utilitarian systme, then yes I definitely see it.
>>12395894 It makes me think that certain people probably wouldn't have hated on G-Reco if it had dancing naked girls. For the people that don't pay attention to conversations, something else to hold their attention.
I believe King Gainer actually does have this, come to think of it.
I don't see how. Sure the main character learns to choose what to do with his own life, but that isn't exactly libertarianism when his old life was living in a eugenics-based Forever War society where even the right to reproduce is not given until after you've spent years killing the enemy, assuming you survive.
Also the message is for young Japanese men that vaginas may seem scary, women are really humans too. It's a deep, deep allegory about the population decline issue in Japan that encourages nationalistic young men to bravely overcome their social phobias and selfishness in order to raise a large family for the Emperor.
>>12395995 >>12395983 There was no message. It was a shit anime that failed everything it set out to accomplish and nobody would have cared about if it didn't have hot girls designed by a well known hentai mangaka.
Maybe you could say the message was "Gen Urobuchi still can't produce a good anime".
And before you mention Madoka, it was only good because of SHAFT, Ume designs, and InuCurry.
>>12395879 You ever heard of Jouji Manabe? The guy did his own series back in the 80s and then decided to make porn out of it. Since it was his own property (as in, 100% his own), he thought it'd be cool. But ahoy, Japan went full retard and he now only does doujins of Dirty Pair and the occasional hentai manga series. tl;dr manga artists who do porn of their own characters kill their own careers.
>>12396104 I think that dance was supposed to be something girls around Amy's age did. Bellows said she used to dance when she was young in the manga. Ridget wore the outfit when she was drunk off her ass.
>>12396122 >That's the issue, it's HIS property, no one can say no to him. And he was still shunned and practically blacklisted from thereon. Hanaharu would probably get it worse since they're not even his. That was my point.
> Ring x Mama My nigga.
>>12396120 I remember someone posting pages of a manga/doujin with Bellows and Ridget in those outfits. Wish I had saved them.
>>12396061 >implying you're somehow more prepared for it if you wasted all of your 20s living like a big teenager
>>12396099 >Isnt it better to have your fun and think about family and shit when your over 30? From a biological standpoint? Not at all. You should be having children while you're in your 20s.
>>12396122 >Like it or not, but the extended adolescence is proof that current society is prosperous.otherwise it would not be possible. That's completely false, though. In America at least, our most prosperous time was during the 1920s - 1970s and people got married a lot earlier then and had more stable families.
>>12396168 >our most prosperous time was during the 1920s - 1970s >1920s See >>12396183 >1930s Great Depression >1940s Half of it the men were off fighting a war >1950s Prosperity that existed only because we were the only major industrial power that didn't get blown to shit in said war >1960s Debauchery on a level that would make kids today faint >1970s Destroyed the concept of the nuclear family because of a bad consumption economy with wages being unable to catch up
>>12396172 >A lot of people shouldn't be having children at all. The thing, the entirety of the human race should STOP PUTTING ANY PRIORITY ON HAVING CHILDREN, AT ALL
WE CANNOT HANDLE MORE HUMANS
WE WILL DIE
We do not have to breed as much as possible to protect our race from dying to the Lions, Tigers, and Bears Continued proliferation will actually kill us and is anathema to our continued existence Combined with the fact that the lowest class of humans are the ones that products the most, and we are actually suffering from anatural selection
That funny feeling when Samuel L Jackson's character from Kingsman was very nearly right.
You cannot waste life. Regardless of how one uses their years, unless they're a soldier forcibly conscripted or something, it is their choice on how to use it. A "waste" is basically pic related, the words of others who judge how a person should live.
>>12396218 I think that's a shallow understanding of the situation. From a humanist perspective, we SHOULD breed. We should have as many children as we possibly can because we need to extend the human race with maximum genetic variance and enough numbers to avoid total extinction. But that means we need to commit ourselves to inhabiting space and other worlds because that's the only way the human race can sustain itself. But we need to do it before we destroy everything good on Earth and that might actually be impossible but who knows.
>>12396168 >From a biological standpoint? Not at all. You should be having children while you're in your 20s.
Are you a woman or something? Because that's not true at all.
Men can have children until their fucking 50s and it's problably better doing it older instead of "wasting" your life taking care of fucking children and spending your hard-earned money that you JUST GOT with kids and 1 women when you can have shitton of women with 1/100 of what marriage would cost you.
>>12396396 >But that means we need to commit ourselves to inhabiting space and other worlds because that's the only way the human race can sustain itself But we will never Fucking Do that We need to stop the lower castes from breeding so we can, at worst, maintain the current population level and minimize the proliferation of the weaker aspects of the human race
We will never get off this earth, we will never come fix any of our current problems We will destroy the Earth, but the best we can do is control the population so we can prolong that species death as long as possible
>>12396418 Older men have have significantly more DNA fragmentation in their sperm and eggs fertilized by them have a higher risk of spontaneous abortion. Not to mention the huge drop in sperm concentration.
>>12396445 but seriously it mainly poor and stupid that breed like roaches. Because if people have enough education they understand having a family is fucking expensive and limited your life's choose hence wait until a certain time before having kids. Why do you think it is called "settling down"?
>>12396538 surely it the balance in social and biological of earning enough for a family and having a kid whiles the sperm is still good hence 28-35 seem to be a good age for kids and it give you 7 years to make the big decision in life (assuming you leave higher education at 21)
>>12396685 >>12396700 Nah, Lilith will never stop on the hardcore, whether in their nukiges or their card game. They might go under like Sogna, but they won't stop doing the kind of material they're famous for in the first place.
>>12397130 >having a really poor job market Not sure if related, but how much true is the downright depressing portrait that Anime/manga/novels/doramas paint of working in Japanese companies? Like, you go to high shcool and your life is great, college and you have to get that degree just for qualifications that DON'T matter, and you hopefully get employed at BIG MEGA JAPAN CORPORATION where you work 70 hours while being paid for 40 and come home to spouses that aren't expected to work while you literally become a soulless work-drone cog-in-the-system that that has no personality outside of doing work because you have to uphold your honor and support your family that you don't even really know hwy you're supposed to have?
>>12397176 Cause if that is true (and it seems like it) it makes so much sense that japanese men would just go "Nopenopenope fuck this I'm out of this system life's too short to hate it Im'ma play some Video games and watch anime".
>>12397247 Then why don't they take care of the ROOT, not the symptoms? Saying NO PRON 4 U is not going to change the fact that a large portion of japan is really sexually frustrated and has no release
>>12396700 Japan is cracking down. They're trying to fix their image before the 2020 Olympics happen and thousands of sports fans arrive and while sampling the local culture see a doujin about futa monster girls taking a dump from every orifice on some dude.
Some of the shops in Akiba are already shut down, only the big ones like Mandarake, White Canvas and Melonbooks are able to weather the storm. Even Nakano is getting kind of cagey about the porn.
Where were you when the pornpocalypse happened? When Japan had to clean up their image to become mainstream?
Spoiler: if you can't find gross porn in Akiba, check Ikebukuro.
>>12397269 How does one "fix" problems with sexual frustration?
No really, how do you? I mean generally it's because no one will sleep with you, and what's the solution to that? Well obviously sex, but how do you just divvy that out? Prostitutes are technically illegal, but they have a million and a half ways around that there, so it's not like they can't get that. At the end of the day if the men won't go talk to women, then they'll never meet women, and it's kinda hard to relieve sexual frustration then.
>>12397365 Pretty much. It'll be business as usual once the Olympic stuff ends. But that's still five years. In the meantime, there's always Pixiv and Comiket, the doujin market won't completely disappear. I bet self-publishing and e-books are gonna take off during this.
I think he's talking about those collages of /m/ posters' selfies, lots of those guys are black, so an assumption can be made, by extension, that a substantial number of the total posters are also black.
Chamber goes boom, and Striker with it, Ledo settles into life on Gargantia, and the entire war he was in is written off as stupid and something everyone is better off ignoring and focusing on the people left behind.
The story of any substance is done.
Yeah we could have slice of life stuff on Gargantia, or other soldiers still out there fighting their pointless war but that wouldn't be so interesting.
And Chamber coming back, getting Ledo and deciding that actually fighting the war is important after all would be undoing a perfectly good finale to milk the show more in the way of Destiny AO and Evol.
It's pointless because they're lightyears away from any civilization and fighting for the sake of fighting. It literally does not matter if either side wins or they both wipe each other out. It won't affect earth in any way.
Because more than 2 or so decades of promoting neotany and the most unrealistic ideal for women have rendered Japanese men's minds almost more devastated than losing the war ever could have, lets not forget their economy getting ass blasted by crony capitalism. Anon, the Japanese male has come to the realization there is nothing worth giving a shit about anymore.
Ah, but there it is anon. You need no resolution, for the story is continued.
In ever single space opera military science fiction. The conflict introduced in this anime is a staging point, the "problem" that all are familiar with. The rest of the series is the resolution. Peace.
>>12399807 >get offered once in a lifetime opportunity to journey into the unknown of the universe and expand mankind's horizon like never before with a cool as fuck boss >more like a partner, really >turn it down because you're "not done exploring the earth yet" >don't even consider the pissed off people who can still rain death down upon you That's some pretty shitty job hunting skills.
You know I just realized something about the job market thing.
It makes no sense. Ledo shows up with a super awesome robot that does all his work FOR him, and girls want his dick right away. It's not a good way of saying "the outside world isn't scary" when everything is practically handed to you on a silver platter..
>>12395848 >conflict on earth is gone Are you serious? They can have a deal with sea tentacle people and with space tentacle people and with space mecha people that can just pop up like a fucking colony, man. In the end there must be a several couples marriage.
>>12400143 >>12400365 This is the level of critical analysis on /m/. The message was clear. Ledo "graduated" from being a soldier and was thrust into the new life he found on Gargantia. He had trouble finding his niche in his new life and having Chamber baby like an overprotective parent him inhibited his personal growth which is why he began to become dissatisfied with Chamber doing all the work. He learned about friendship, acceptance, various relationships encountered in society and even discovered sexuality. Ledo ultimately learned how to be self-sufficient and to think for himself whereas before he was just going through the motions of his soldier (aka school) life without any real through towards his future. There's even more examples within the story but I haven't seen it since it aired.
>>12395872 Urobuchi has entered the same mindset as Tommino, he just spouts inane bullshit to attract attention, you should just ignore what both say and watch the anime they release and draw you own conclusion
So I get the allegories for the Job market and the outside world and such but doesn't the portrayal of a lot of it do more harm than good? "Step out of your room, everyone will instantly accept you and love you for who you are, nothing is scary and everyone is endlessly patient with you! Don't forget to impregnate the women on your way in - they're all nubile young sex machines that want your dick, you Just have to talk to them!"
It really, really doesn't work like that. Especially the incentives to raise the birthrates.
>>12396701 you just solved your dilemma india. develop an upwardly mobile society with an emphasis on education and people will have less kids. don't go colonizing moons and shit. i know it's hard right? an educational system? gasp! saving the planet's tough shit
>>12401647 Really, anyone have any thoughts on this? I feel like the more they try to use anime to get otaku to talk to real women, the more thoseOtaku will be disillusioned with the disparity between the real and the ideal Real women can't live up to the idealized perfection of anime waifus
>>12401647 >>12401929 I didn't initially respond because I considered a stupid post, but since you're obviously serious then here goes.
>everyone will instantly accept you and love you for who you are >nothing is scary >everyone is endlessly patient with you! The exact opposite happened to Ledo. He had to deal with all of those problems. >Don't forget to impregnate the women on your way in - they're all nubile young sex machines that want your dick, you Just have to talk to them You just sound frustrated at this point.
>>12401957 >Don't forget to impregnate the women on your way in - they're all nubile young sex machines that want your dick, you Just have to talk to them That is the case. Isn't it? I mean, from my experience that is kinda how it is.
>>12401957 >You just sound frustrated at this point Actually, I should have mentioned that I haven't even seen Gargantia beyond like 4 episodes and I hardly remember them
I am just basing this off of what I have HEARD, so if I'm wrong it's understandable. But I've heard that the idea behind a lot of these anime is to show very appealing young men to the target audience to make them want to go out and get laid, But It seems like it would have the opposite effect of having them escape into the world of waifus with none of the work Or disappointment reality requires
Also, from what I do remember the message is something along the lines of "The world isn't that bad", but I think it's setting people up for failure when - from my perspective - life really fucking sucks. I've gotten by, and I'm not complaining, but if you go through life expecting the world to be anything but cutthroat with you then you've got disappointment coming.
From what I've heard, it seems like Japan would be even worse about it, considering they are around 3rd or 7th for global highest suicide rate. Along with the hell that is the life of a salaryman, it doesn't seem very honest to really upsell that shit
Again, though, I'm not pretending to be an expert. This is all based on secondhand impressions
>>12402070 >idea behind a lot of these anime is to show very appealing young WOMEN* to the target audience Woops, entirely different meaning there, pretty sure they don't want to kill their birthrates completely
>"Step out of your room, everyone will instantly accept you and love you for who you are, nothing is scary and everyone is endlessly patient with you! Don't forget to impregnate the women on your way in - they're all nubile young sex machines that want your dick, you Just have to talk to them!"
You forgot anon. "For your EMPORER! Banzai Nippon!"
>>12402084 The problem in japan is the birthrate dropping faster than Axis. It doesn't help that japs are more into digital girlfriends in their phones and 3ds's than trying to get real pussy. You want to kill nip population even faster?
Here's what's going to happen. An app is going to be released for the apple and android devices. It will be THE PLACE to get access to drawn mobile porn. It wll also tie into the top three websites and have links there. It will probably decimate the print medium there, but...if we're lucky. We'll get a lot of beyond cheap fat and energy efficient reader medium out of it. Might even help pc sales as well.
There will be a major social cost however. That is IF comiket gets shut down.
1.They used to be really heavily into hooking other people up. With that gone you have two people who honestly don"t know how to approach each other and simply give and fall into fantasy into fantasy(men) and manwhores(women).
2.The men don't have any real reason to be a part of society and from what I've gathered the one's that do have no place to go, seeing a how the baby boomers and general oldsters(who're oft times just dumbfucks) have their businesses in a death grip. And the women who'll help bridge the gap between them by being slightly forward all want the really well off dudes, who're oft out of their league or simply dive head first into their own careers and console themselves with porn and the company of giggolos.
3.There is no life after college there. No media or anything lionizing the small time heroics of the older generation. Just endless escapism back to highschool/college and fantasy lives. Nor is there any alternative sources of revenue outside of a few things.
>>12402495 Except I have, I went to college there.
The job market can't be much better now than it was when I was there, especially considering I left right after the global recession hit. And there are a lot of people in that country my age that just don't talk to each other.
>>12402537 The sacrifice of Chamber represents Ledo breaking the final link between himself and his life as a soldier. Chamber literally ejects Ledo out of his old life and into his new one. This represents the final push parents have to make in order for their child to be independent and develop successfully into adulthood.
I can't help but feel like that subtlely condemns working for the military.
I mean what's wrong with that? You do as you're told, fight for them, and the state provides for and takes care of you. It's a good system, albeit not a very well paying one (on the plus side, my combat pay is tax-free). But I guess since Japan doesn't have an open military you can't go out of school looking to join the army.
>>12402693 Ledo's system, its eugenics aside, was simply a military state. You fight for your nation, it gives you your purpose in life.
I don't see any problems with that. My whole life I have only been able to succeed by following the orders of others. I went to the school I did because I was told to, I obtained the degree I did because I was told to, and when I said I don't know what to do with my life if I have to do it myself, I was told to join the military because they're perfect for me.
There are plenty of military states, but most of them just have an officer's class, a bunch of underpaid soldier and a lot of civilians who get thrown into dark rooms and beaten until they piss blood for the rest of their lifes.
>>12402748 >It's all about doing the best with what you're given. You call them a tool, I call them a person who understands their position in life and maximizes their potential with it.
You can call them that, but that's a completely baseless assertion seeing as no one can know what someone's potential actually is. In reality, they are actually just a bunch of different people taking orders for various reasons that range from "poor" to "wants to kill" to "unthinking dope" to "brainwashed".
That's a rather sad way of looking at the military.
Speaking from experience, most of them do it because it's a job. A lot of them came from generally poor environments, and even in the worst economic conditions, this is the one system that will accept them if they qualify. The army takes care of people when no one else will.
>>12402070 >Also, from what I do remember the message is something along the lines of "The world isn't that bad", but I think it's setting people up for failure when - from my perspective - life really fucking sucks. I've gotten by, and I'm not complaining, but if you go through life expecting the world to be anything but cutthroat with you then you've got disappointment coming.
Most people were actually expecting the "plot twist" to be that the Earth was going to be the delusional waifu land while the Galactic Alliance represented the reality of life, and that the story would end with Ledo somehow returning to the Galactic Alliance while realizing the flaws of the Earth people. It definitely sounded like something Urobutcher would come up with.
But nope, all we got was another badly executed UNDERSTANDING ending.
>>12402784 There is a difference between the military in real life (I'm just going to talk about the modern US military since that's what I'm familiar with, but others should specify if their experience is with other nations) and Ledo's experience. Ledo is a 16 year old raised as a soldier since birth, and the modern military only really starts taking people out of high-school and college. One is quite easily a story, and often a real one in parts of the world, about needing to break free from that kind of life long conditioning. The other is about adults choosing what kind of path they want in life. And the military is hardly the only job that demands obedience to higher authorities. It's simply the one that's the most blunt about it.
That is not to deny there's a lot of "break 'em down, build up, always follow orders" mentality in the US military. Nor that there aren't other concerns. There's pretty much constantly critiques of how gung-ho and how white washing of the actual soldier experience recruiters can be. When you have the recruiters themselves committing suicide because they can't deal with the pressure of recruiting soldiers, there's obviously an institutional problem.
But lamely, and shallowly, reducing military experience to "the poor and the stupid get brainwashed" is unfair.
>>12402892 Ledo wasn't really human either. His mind thought processes social structure and even breeding and rearing are as far from what one can consider basic humanity as you can get.
But, it's rather ironic that urobutcher would create something with that kind of message but also say that an ai and people who are essentially just programs based on less then a newly formed embroys worth of genetic data are human.
>>12403163 Yeah supposedly. But it kind of makes no sense seeing as how they don't really have parents so much as genetic donors and a machine that constructs good soldiers. Them even having anything like a familial unit when it is canon that their robot parent/symbotic mech weapon constantly brainwashes them to keep them as the perfect organic components/thing to keep the robot overlords in the fight against the squid folk and being that keeps them feeling relevant makes no sense.
>>12403497 Dude Do you even know what you are saying At our current rate of population growth the human race will overcrowd the damn earth, not immediately but sooner than the populace would like to believe.
>>12403527 >current rate of population growth We've known for quite a while that it's been decreasing, and has every shown every sign of promising to continue to do that. While the total population will keep growing, we should hit zero growth at around 11-12 billion: WELL WITHIN the planet's ability to sustain, especially as efficiency of food production continues to go up. In fact, we can already feed the whole planet; it's a distribution problem now more than anything.
We're fine. Worry more about us blowing ourselves up somehow, not crowding to death.
>>12403547 >Worry more about us blowing ourselves up somehow, not crowding to death And man, we don't really worry about that now, do we?
For all the fear of the cold war, it never actually did explode. It's interesting to note that cooler heads prevailed when it came to that stuff, if not necessarily in the other shit that spawned out of the era.
I guess the idea of ending the world actually gave some people in the positions to do so pause.
That said, what's the water situation like? I keep hearing that's an impending problem.
>>12403543 What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not advocating a solution other than "Use a goddamn condom"
But saying "lel ur wrong we can support 10,000,000,000 people the earth can handle it" when it really, really can't.
This isn't really a problem for Japan, though. They need to make it easier for families to raise kids and create a culture that makes young men see chasing 3D fussy as a viable, possible option.
The problem lies with shitholes like India and any place that still adheres to "Be fruitful and multiply" policies, like we're Still arboreal hominids that need to have as many children as possible to ensure we don't all get eaten by lions.
>>12403618 My guess is a CG representation of what crowding all human biomass into one spot would produce.
To copy-paste from a relevant Wikipedia article (for Stand on Zanzibar):
>The primary engine of the novel's story is overpopulation and its projected consequences, and the title refers to an early twentieth-century claim that the world's population could fit onto the Isle of Wight – which has an area of 381 square kilometres (147 sq mi) – if they were all standing upright. Brunner remarked that the growing world population now required a larger island; the 3.5 billion people living in 1968 could stand together on the Isle of Man (area 572 square kilometres (221 sq mi)), while the 7 billion people who he (correctly) projected would be alive in 2010 would need to stand on Zanzibar (area 1,554 square kilometres (600 sq mi)). Throughout the book, the image of the entire human race standing shoulder-to-shoulder on a small island is a metaphor for a crowded world.
>>12403642 People living in the fucking desert like idiots will have to leave. People with access to the coast will have to rely on desalination plants. We could build them now, but no one wants to make the actual monetary investment until it becomes an enormous financial headache and people start dying.
>>12403652 >hominids I probably used the wrong goddamn term, didn't I? Shit, I bet I did.
>>12403547 >11-12 billion: WELL WITHIN the planet's ability to sustain Wait, what? Seriously, point me to a source, I thought it was way less than that Trust me, it's not like I want to be right or anything, I'll happy accept US bot being as doomed as I thought.
>>12403813 If I remember correctly, it was some sort of celebration that they'd spent the earlier portions of the episode preparing for. Like, a traditional celebration with cultural significance. And half-naked 13-year-olds rubbing their butts on the camera.
>>12403813 In terms of the narrative? It's the point where Ledo first realizes girls are for sexing. In terms of the setting? It's a traditional bellydancing festival like you find in a lot of cultures. In terms of the production? It's fanservice.
Instead of blogposting, I'll just cut short and say that entire scene bothered me but I have no fucking idea why and that's fucking annoying I mean, I'm fine with most fanservice
If anyone would mind, could you explain why someone could feel this is objectionable in any way? Feel free to throw in a rational reason along with the "I'm morally outraged even though I have no idea why I'm supposed to be!" of the SJWs.
>>12404130 They're literally 13 or 14. It's perfectly natural to be disgusted by attempts to use children to titillate the viewer. It's blatant and out of place, considering the tone of the show up to that point. As an SJW, I generally have an idea of why I'm outraged. People just don't like to hear it.
>>12404141 >They're literally 13 or 14 I'm going to continue playing devil's advocate. Maybe for a modern culture, I could see this being an issue. Historically, though, once "children" are sexually mature, they stop being seen as children and are seen as adults, because once you can reproduce you can start the cycle over again and become a parent yourself. It's only in recent years that the age of maturity has been pushed back, at first 13, then 16, then 18; hell, I have heard people refer to 18 year olds as children often, and that's just wrong.
In this setting, where society is much more focused on surviving and continuing the species, to return to such practices is not only predictable but might be considered optimal.
>>12404133 That's the joke btw should I watch Initial D, I've heard it's great
>>12404195 It doesn't matter so much what happened as how it was portrayed. When something is okay by the standards of an alien civilization (or simply an exceedingly private situation) but objectionable to ours (or to the state of mind the viewer will most probably be in), the presentation is modified to avoid overly earnest depictions of such. Camera pans to avoid executions or violence, off-screen sex, etc.
Gargantia had been built, tonally, on drama and slice-of-life elements; the fanservice up to that point was minimal. That scene was jarring, because of the way we, the viewers, were forced to experience it. They could have left it in actually, but changed the presentation to be more tasteful: for example, only showing the dancing from a distance, panning around at the reactions of the onlookers, etc. Instead, someone had the bright idea to storyboard it like softcore porn.
18 year olds are still children if you look at the physiology of their brains, btw.
>>12404217 She's naked, but she's not presenting herself in an overtly sexual dance. The camera gives us a full-frontal view, but for the purposes of showing us her positioning within the room; we're not zoomed in on her boobs or anything. This shot was PROBABLY meant for fanservice, but it's completely legit to argue that it's not all that titillating. Think of this as the middle ground between Gargantia and, say, Ninamori's bathroom scene in FLCL.
>>12404290 >18 year olds are still children if you look at the physiology of their brains Yes, until they're 25 or so. But I'll be damned if adolescence is pushed so far back that people in their mid-twenties as fucking referred to as children.
>That scene was jarring >someone had the bright idea to storyboard it like softcore porn Thanks, I think that's probably about what's bothering me. Just seemed a bit too...I don't know. I abhor using words like sleazy, but kind of fits.
Plus, dancing is a two-person thing. I mean, even in situations where festivals like these happen the women aren't really on display for the men to quietly jack off to, they're there for the men to dance with them because dancing is seriously how humans mate with each other and its a precursor to intercourse. So that seemed a little wrong to me too.
>>12404290 >Instead, someone had the bright idea to storyboard it like softcore porn.
You are blowing it way out of proportion. Barely any of the actual dancing scene was sexy or even sexualized unless bellydancing clothes bother you. The booty shaking is mild at best and even then, it was a fairly undetailed and over-exaggerated ass, not a overly sexy ass which lasted a grand total of less than 5 seconds.
It sounds like barely of you have even watched the actual scene. Meanwhile, Evangelion regularly shows 14 year fully nude girls to the limits of censorship in way more sexually charged scenes and situations than Gargantia ever did. When did Ledo ever fall on top of a completely naked Amy or masturbate to Saaya's bare breasts?
>>12404355 My mother teaches bellydancing classes. That's not what bellydancing looks like when you're putting on a culturally-enriching or competitive performance.
>>12404332 Yes, this is what I meant. Hence the Ninamori comparison, where she's literally just sitting on a stool and all we see is her bare back and the way the scene is shot is supposed to enchance the creeped out feeling you should have about the way Kamon is talking to her.
>>12404416 >Are you illiterate? No, but tired and conditioned to assume the worst in shitposters. Anyway, point still stands: bellydancing for entertainment looks different from bellydancing for "entertainment", and Gargantia's was walking the knife edge of the latter with 14 year olds. And they're both pretty far from "Oops I walked in on you naked le sexual tension." Misato's scenes were more sexually charged and in a lot of them you didn't even fucking see her.
>>12404534 If you seriously think some girl ranging from 14 to 15 years old dancing in bellydancer clothes and having 3 seconds of cartoon twerk is actually worse than a 14 year old masturbating to the bare chest of a 14 year old girl or straddling a nude 14 year old girl then I guess we're just going to have to end it here.
>>12404605 >14 year old masturbating to the bare chest of a 14 year old girl
Now that there is what I call goal post moving. Previous anon was arguing with the focus on the Eva image of Asuka being caught nude accidently. Don't shift the focus to make him look stupid that just aint right.
>>12404605 That ST scene was played for laughs. If you jerked off to it, that's your own issue. Likewise, Shinji's gap was a dramatic moment, meant to show how pathetic he was/felt. This is all very different from Gargantia's, "Fine here have some gyrating kawaii underage booty to gap to, young viewer."
I thought I already explained that the subject matter was offensive but it was the presentation that fucked it up? I bet you thought the Cross Ange rape scene wasn't egregious fanservice too.
>>12403527 >At our current rate of population growth the human race will overcrowd the damn earth, not immediately but sooner than the populace would like to believe. Not in hundreds of year you fucking retard, resource is more a problem than living space.
>>12406499 Bruh, you are incredibly delusional. It's really sad. You literally aren't even making sense anymore. That scene in Sym-Bionic Titan and the fanservice scenes in Evangelion are all much worse than the dancing scene in Gargantia. You keep acting like it's some hyper-sexual fap session but it's not, it has never been and it is among some of the most mild fanservice I have ever scene in anime. You are simply deluded and day I say quite retarded. Get real nigga.
>>12406499 If the Gargantia scene was overtly sexual and made you uncomfortable, well then, good, that was probably the point. That episode ends with Ledo watching Amy dance for him and popping his first boner.
>>12406755 Care to back any of that tripe up with actual support? Like, analysis of the shot composition and subject, the narrative context, etc. Because Shinji's dick wasn't in my face. The cheerleader's twerking was juxtaposed with outlandish club hip hop, in front of a completely non-plussed robot man who exclaims, "No!" after the end and a beat (you know, so it's funny). Gargantia has near-bare 14 year old ass waggling in 80% of the frame. This isn't even an argument. It's blatant fan service.
>You keep acting like it's some hyper-sexual fap session That's because it is. >Mild fan service And we're back to my main gripe: otas have become so desensitized to this crap that what the rest of the world views as egregiously and jarringly sexualized, especially in an SF slice-of-life drama, they term "mild." And so while I enjoyed Gargantia, I'm unable to share it with my friends; I refuse to be the skeevy guy who turns a blind eye to booty dancing teenager that's completely out of place unless you understand that it's there not for laughs (ST) or drama (Eva), but fan service.
You can be that guy if you like. I really couldn't care less.
>>12407147 >And so while I enjoyed Gargantia, I'm unable to share it with my friends; I refuse to be the skeevy guy who turns a blind eye to booty dancing teenager that's completely out of place unless you understand that it's there not for laughs (ST) or drama (Eva), but fan service.
Why? It was one scene. Just tell them "Man, I hated that scene, but the rest of the show was so good."
>>12407147 >otas have become so desensitized to this crap that what the rest of the world views as egregiously and jarringly sexualized Maybe you should see how real 14 year olds act when it comes to sexuality before you claim this is just an anime thing.
>>12407201 Let me ask you a different question. Why do you associate with those people? If they can't handle teenagers booty dancing (which is fucking awesome, by the way) then you're probably just some americuck with americuck friends. Nowhere else in the world but maybe Britain and Sweden would take offense to that. Have you even seen french TV once? German? Anything?
Not to mention associating with casual normalfags is for fucking regards that WANT to have their life choices scrutinized and criticized. Masochists.
>>12407220 It's not exactly contradicting the mainstream opinion of anime.
>>12407240 I'm not sure how you think you're endearing yourself to me by insulting my nationality. But, yes, my American friends have a problem with it. So do I. I've already explained why, and it's a perfectly legitimate complaint.
Maybe if studios didn't alienate viewers with this kind of gross pandering, we'd have a healthy industry that could support an S2. But nope, you'd rather have your preteen booty instead. Well, enjoy, assholes.
>>12407147 >Care to back any of that tripe up with actual support? Like you did? >Like, analysis of the shot composition and subject, the narrative context, etc. >Because Shinji's dick wasn't in my face. The cheerleader's twerking was juxtaposed with outlandish club hip hop, in front of a completely non-plussed robot man who exclaims, "No!" after the end and a beat (you Yet his cum covered hand was right in focus of the camera. Niiiiiice. >This isn't even an argument. It's blatant fan service. Like the majority of Evangelion. >And we're back to my main gripe Bro you're defending a series that has fully naked 14 year old girls and 14 year old guys masturbating to their breasts and yet you're flipping out about clothed 14 year old dancing and shaking their butt for a total of 3 seconds.
>>12407484 >Maybe if studios didn't alienate viewers with this kind of gross pandering
They don't know you even exist let alone that you are watching.
Why would they bother doing anything that to make you have more interest in the show. You are in no way their target audience. I would almost say you have no right to complain or ask that they change it just for you.
If you don't like it watch something else. If you want something to get people into anime you have countless other shows to choose. Some having zero fan service.
>>12397138 Coming soon (post 2020 Olympics): >Legitimate sex theme park (Mizuryu Kei Land). >Repealing of CP and consenting age limits. >Permitting student/teacher relationships as optional rewards for good grades. >Expands sex experimentation labs (see frogbutts). >Sex as a legitimate form of currency. >Expands research into making STD-free hentai-verse a reality (secondary research devoted to retaining a sexy youthful figure post motherhood). >Free electricity and reduced food and water billing cost if married, have a blood-related child, and said child graduates. >Free amount of internet per month if raising 2 blood-related children.
The fertility rate is the average number of children birthed by a woman during her entirely individual lifetime. That number actually rose slightly in 2013, even though the actual number of births dropped. It's also interesting to note the number of marriages rose and divorces dropped, though. Making predictions from data is very difficult since trends don't always hold steady. It's possible Japan's population will continue to decline, but it's also possible it might pick up in time. We'll have to see.
So the OVA goes with the Land people has the technology to build Mussle (that new robot thing in the OVA), and are going to declare war with the Sea people (those who live on the sea). Rima >>12401026 is a spy sent by the Land people to capture the pilots of Chamber and Striker, in order to complete the AI system for Muzzle and to work for the Land people. OVA is the prequel of S2. S2 will be focus on the war of 2 countries RebeListan (Sea) and Augustonia (Land), and the characters Russel and Sukaya. Mysterious machine "Ignite" >>12401011 with unknown origin will be piloted by Sukaya.
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