When will i get my AU story where Zeon wins?
Probably when you stop being delusional genocidal mass-murdering space nazis who the spacenoids you claim to represent hate. with vastly inferior mobile suits.
I mean, your first mistake was making your iconic mobile suits look like nazi troopers. Doesn't make you look too heroic.
trickedmy girlfriendinto watching this one as her introductory to UC Gundam.
shehates me now.
>implying Zaku is not heroic inspirational mascot of the righteous and virtuous forces of the most noble Zeon
>implying Acguy isn't instantly lovable.
>implying you wouldn't pilot a Gouf
I honestly found the Gundams with their dead, soulless eyes, and the GMs with their vacant screen visors devoid of individuality and
cutenessto be way less endearing then Zeek suits. Gotta love the monoeye.
You were perfectly independent in all but name before you fucks gassed your own Spacenoids and dropped their colonies on Earth. You hypocritical and retarded fucks. And funny how Newtypes were the push by your old leader that end up sidelined until his son takes the reigns and fucks shit up even more.
Ironic that Zeeks turned newtypes into weapons, while the Feds just flat out torturekill them out of fear and phobia.
I guess being a weapon is still better than being executed for having magic space swan powers. At least you're alive and you get a cool robot.....
>Implying the federation never did any thing wrong
>Implying they still don't treat spacenoids like crap
>Implying that even when zeon remnants try to find a non violent way to get the autonomy feddies won't let that stand.
>Implying the Federation wasn't in the right before and after the Colony drops
>Implying Zeon wasn't full of hypocritical shits that abandoned their own men they ordered to kill fellow Spacenoids because they needed a fall guy
Keep yanking that Zeon dick there anon, I'm sure you'll get a handy back some day.
Only AFTER the OYW and the fact that most Newtypes end up batshit insane or they get cyber enhancement that make them even worse. Amuro was right in assuming Newtypes were not all they were cracked up to be, and people should have tried harder to communicate instead of relying on psychic power bullshit.
I have no idea why they changed names, Nemos look more like GMs than Goufs look like Zakus and that's saying something! Jegans are not all that different either.
You are a monster and deserve all that hate.
Feddies were sorta wrong before the colony drop unless you are counting the period of time between the colony gassing and the colony drop as "Before the colony drop" rather than treating all of operation British like one single event that made Zeon pretty clearly the badguys.
The only bad thing is zeek leaders after Zeon Deikun. We got space Stalin, space Hitler, space ex-gf, space Hitler's descendant. Char was the only good one, so was Neo-Zeon elite around him. They were professionals, not new aristocracy.
I just want to drop the obligatory "both sides are bad" fact about MSG before this thread devolves completely into mindless factionwanking and shitposting.
The Federation and Zeon are both guilty of numerous things. The Federation was initially responsible for the Zeon breakaway with their refusal to see the colonists as equal humans worthy of representation in their government. From that point it was just bad decision after bad decision until the Zabis took over and became the new conductor of the "bad decisions" train.
Then after the OYW, the Federation (specifically, the corruption within) formed the Titans and created a whole new era of bad decisions that would continue on until... uh... forever.
The theme has always been that governments are bad, mmk? The Federation and Zeon were both corrupt and evil, and had little to no interest in serving the people they represented. The people served them.
>implying Acguy isn't instantly lovable.
The only Fed ms that even approaches its cuteness is the Asshammer, and that's a Teetahns ms so...genocidal mass-murdering earth nazis.
>AU story where Zeon wins?
It's called Gundam SEED Destiny.
Have you played the PSP game Gundam Battle Universe? I did, on my EFF Character, I gassed 6 colonies.
This is why i'm a Zeonfag.(Besides the fact that that campaign sucked huge dick. Every single other campaign was a Blast, especially ZZ.)
Anyways, I'm playing Shin Gihren no Yabou (New Gihren's Ambition), and I have a question, I keep getting 0T next to my Unit Production. What's going on? Is there a unit cap other than the specific unit cap?
>Implying it ever ended since Zeon was all but dead by then
>Implying colony bullshit would ever stop
Victory proved one thing, that everyone in UC is a fucked up retard after Amuro died and Bright wasn't there to help guide people. Granted Bright was a shitty father who sired Hathaway who threw his life away for a dead bitch who hated his guts and wanted to be boned by the pedophile Char.
I was talking about the independence part, specifically the Republic of Zeon didn't get it's charter Renewed, and was reabsorbed into the EF.
Which means back to second class citizenship.
But outside of dialogue people mention there is literally NO indication they were being treated as second class citizens, and hell, this wasn't even the US equivalent where they were having the EF army fight their wars for them and having taxes levied against them to pay for it. Was there taxes levied against Spacenoids that Earth wasn't paying as well? Or was it only because they had no representative in the EF, even though in the US comparison even the US had supporters in the British Parliament that tried get things in their favor.
Probably no Representatives. Because if that was the case, then the Colonies would have changed the system Politically. By the time of Unicorn the majority of Humanity is in space.
>egotistic power-hungry cunt.
She has more character development than most of the characters from any gundam
and she smells nice
I love me some curry
Also go home char
Haman a best
Reminder that Zeon is only good for:
1. Losing wars
2. Killing huge numbers of innocent people (bonus points if they're fellow Spacenoids)
3. Engaging in bloody and pointless infighting that contributes to 1.
>implying Zeon Deikun wasn't bad
Deikun was a raving loon who would brought ruin to Side 3 faster and more devastatingly than the Zabis did.
Only real records of NT abuse by the Feds were the Titans' Cyber Newtype program and their fear of Amuro and the White Base crew.
Most of the rest of the time they just acted like they didn't exist.
But Full Frontal said so, so it must be true! Never mind that in Unicorn itself, multiple people point out that Full Frontal is full of shit.
Also Origin kind of shits on the 'Spacenoids aren't allowed to vote' nonsense since Zeon Deikun was at one point a political dissident wanted by the Federation yet he was able to be elected the leader of Side 3, showing that there IS a degree of democracy in how Sides can choose their leaders.
>a good leader
>decides to drop Axis on Earth despite having the Feddies by the balls and getting all concessions from them that he wants
>gives Amuro the psychoframe because of 'MUH HONORABLE DUEL' not giving a shit about any of his men that Amuro kills along the way
Face it, with Origin showing that Deikun and his followers (e.g. Jinbal Ral) were a bunch of raging whackos, it's pretty clear that Zeon NEVER had any good leaders to begin with.
Neither of them was good. Degwin was a Stalin-tier dictator, Gihren was a Hitler-tier dictator, Sasro was dead and in-between his dad and older brother, Dozle is more of a political clown and useless as a commander, Kycilia always thinks that she's the smartest person around and Garma is a spoiled brat.
Dropping Axis was cheapest way of dealing with EF with 99% of success. Even Nanai, who has designed the psychoframe, knew nothing about psycho-field. And Char couldn't order EF government to give up fighting and bow to him.
About Zeon Deikun. Try to read about first years of Soviet Union. The true believers were arguing with more pragmatic politicians. Just change Trotsky to Jimba Ral. In comparison with Stalin Trotsky sounds like a lunatic with his permanent revolution and super-industrialisation plan.
Nobody ever said the Colonies had the right to vote on Federal law.
ONLY the opposite was ever said.
Dozle and Garma seemed like okay people.
Not clever, but good people.
Only the little sister of the second coming of M'Quve.
Why join a buffoonish organization with a shrill-voiced manlet for a commander, when you can take part in advancing the technology of peace in the name of Kane?
There are only two reasons to get a Zeon tattoo
If your life experiences make you share the same beliefs as Zeeks, in which case, you deserve to be beaten
Or if you just think it's cool, in which case, you deserve to be made fun of
>By the time of Unicorn the majority of Humanity is in space
>By the time of Unicorn
In 0078, 9 of the 11 billion humans lived in space. The majority of humanity being spacenoids was established before MSG and never changed.
The problem was that there were more districts/representatives in the assembly from earth than all the colonies put together. Less than 20% of the population had the majority vote in government, compounded by the fact that colonists could only elect local government, their representative to the Assembly was assigned to them by the assembly, and nearly all the representatives lived on earth.
In ZZ, the EF straight-up GAVE Core-3 to Haman Karn, despite the fact that the people of Side-3 were so anti-Zabi that they were giving unauthorized support to the Titans in Zeta (as stated by the narrator).
The fact that the entire assembly lived on earth and didn't know/care what life was like for the colonists is stated by Blex in Zeta.
>meet cute girl through /soc/
>says she likes Gundam
>sympathizes with Zeon
I really want to see some kind of less-lethal more drawn out version of the OYW.
Zeon doesn't Warcrime QUITE as hard, and they don't spend the first 9 months fighting with just Zakus and then blitzing out dozens of new models.
To be fair, Federation's symbol is too fucking plain. I mean, tattoofags tend to be attention whores and want their tattoos to look "cool" and, well, attention calling. Not edgy enough. It is plain, it is boring, there's no style to it.
I generally dislike zeon's aesthetic choices and stuff because I find federation's less "space monster" and more "giant robot soldier" designs to be more appealing, but even I can understand why people would prefer the more unique looking zeekshit.
I mean, come on, between an overdesigned devilish rose and a cross stabbing a boomerang, which one is most likely to attract attention?
You keep using that word pal.
That's pretty edgy there, kiddo.
One is more evocative of a classical female sign. The Federation symbol is just the symbol of Islam turned 90*.
>I mean, your first mistake was making your iconic mobile suits look like nazi troopers. Doesn't make you look too heroic.
The NSDAP were not enemies to all. Their victory would have benefited many. Just my opinion vs yours.
Also the Titans saw whatever sympathy I had for the Federation disappear. They, like the Allies committed mass atrocities. To deny that would be hypocrisy.
>/m/ has a Feddie thread
>Zeon bros leave it alone, gets a few posts.
>/m/ has a Zeon thread
>Fedfags come out of the woodwork to shitpost
And you faggots wonder why your souls are still weighed down by gravity and moot abandoned us.
>Also the Titans saw whatever sympathy I had for the Federation disappear. They, like the Allies committed mass atrocities. To deny that would be hypocrisy.
What's even better is that Feddiefaggots here try to pretend that the Titans were a separate organization that had nothing to do with the Federation and the Federation itself was a neutral third party in the Gryps Conflict.
I always kinda wanted to get Char's symbol tattoo'd on my arm somewhere.
Or the Zeon Afrika Corp emblem...
If I were to get any tattoo it would be >>12465256 but on my arm and smaller. Gundam being so relatively unknown in America makes it ok, and it looks discreet enough. Plus Gundam (specifically UC stuff) is ancient and that helps too.
Gundam is so much more acceptable than ass creed or zelda. Hell, 95% of current day 'nerds' won't even know what the fuck Zeon is, and probably have never watched anything Gundam related ever.
don't act like you're so much more superior, because you aren't.
Cobra Commander is American as apple pie! COBRA offers good jobs and great wages.
AIM? Know it all chucklefucks.
Zeon? Hypocritical Space Nazis.
The Titans? More like Hehawing Jackasses.
The Federation? Fuck Ups.
COBRA. It got the goods.
It's a lot closer of a comparison than you think. 1936 olympic gold medalist Jesse Owens got a ticker-tape parade in Nazi Germany but had to ride the cargo elevator to his own reception back in the US. Germany's outward appearance was one of "we don't hate you, we think you should have a pure nation for your people just like we should have a pure nation for our people." It's not really out-of-character for such a group to use the Blue Team as cannon fodder and later betray them or disregard their treaties. The US Cavalry even enlisted the help of the Cree indians to round up the Cherokee by saying they were helping the Cree regain their ancestral territory. Then once all the Cherokee had been marched out, the Cavalry looked at the Cree and said "okay, your turn, line up and walk."
While most of the rank and file of Zeon were not shown to be racist (except for that one Blue Team guy bitching about worshipping white people), don't forget that Gihren told Degwin that he planned to maintain the numbers of humanity using only the superior races, right before his own father called him "Hiler's tail".
>he thinks that's female!