I have always wondered what the population of the individual Sides where in Gundam during the earlier UC timeline. Wasn't the Principality of Zeon at a MONSTROUS manpower disadvantage during the whole war? What was the population of the Axis?
each individual colony cylinder was like a large city and about 10 million people. Side 3(Zeon) had higher populations then others. Because they were the only closed types and more surface area for people.
Zeon killed a couple billion people during the first few months of the war.
>Wasn't the Principality of Zeon at a MONSTROUS manpower disadvantage during the whole war?
Yes. In the show it's completely obvious that they are going to lose once they are kicked off earth. They really have nothing except some super weapons to slow down Feddie forces.
>the population of the individual sides
There are no hard numbers on how many cylinders were in each Side and conflicting reports of how many people lived in each Cylinder. We know that 9 billion people lived in the Sides (only 2 billion on earth) and Side 7 was still under construction.
After the destruction of Sides 1, 2, 4. and 5 and the Iffish drop, a total of over 5 billion people were dead, leaving less than 6 billion people between Sides 3. 6, 7, and Earth.
Since the damage from Iffish shouldn't have been in the "half of earth's population" range, it's reasonable to assume over a billion people live on Earth still, meaning 4-5 billion in the Sides. This would make the total population of a Side somewhere under 2 billion.
The real problem comes from trying to figure out how many Cylinders that equates to. The narrator says that a million and a half citizens have to be relocated to empty out the colony used for the Colony Laser. The actual O'neill Cylinder designs call for a 5 million capacity per cylinder, with each colony consisting of a pair of cylinders. Gundam only remembers this paired deployment twice: Green Noa 1&2, and Operation Stardust. Since some sources say 10 million per colony, it's debatable whether that means double-sized colonies or they're referring to them as a pair. Also one time the narrator mentions 40-60 colonies in a side, but even if those 60 colonies were pairs of 10-million-capacity cllinders you're only looking at 1.2 billion.
Side-3 had double-density colonies (no windows) but they are also stated to have fewer cylinders than the other Sides (no numbers, again).
>We know that 9 billion people lived in the Sides (only 2 billion on earth)
Whoooa waitaminute, that reshapes my entire idea of the division of mankind in UC. Do you have a link to a source on the low earth population?
How DID closed colonies thermoregulate? They seemed to imply they were already built like that BEFORE Minovsky built the artificial internal micro-suns for Zeon
Was it with those solar cells they mentioned strapping on to the original colony laser?
If so those cells must blow the Photovoltaic cells we know today out of the water to take light, turn it to electricity and turn it back to light and heat without losing all sorts of power in the translation and the whole "Photovoltaic cells burn out into hypertoxic waste after processing a set amount of power" issue we have now
Closed colonies still had mirrors , they where just external, they look concave and appear to focus the colony light onto singular reception ports as opposed to the over all even type of the open colonies. Also they did have minovsky fusion generators just not micro sized ones
>U.C. 0050: Total population is 11 billion, 9 billion have emigrated to space.
>U.C. 0040 - 40% of the human population (roughly 5 billion people) has emigrated to space. * A later entry in the official timeline claims that 9 billion people, out of a total population of 11 billion, have emigrated to space by U.C. 0050. However, this is contradicted by the opening narration of the Gundam II and Gundam III movies, which state that half of humanity now lives in space.
It's generally accepted that the bulk of humanity lives in space, but how much and when is debatable. It's possible that the MSG movie dialogue is referring to the population figure -after- the opening stages of the OYW where "half of humanity died" in nuclear/biological/chemical attacks on the colonies and the colony drop on Earth. If there were 11 billion total pre-war, assume that ~5.5 billion in space died in the OYW, leaving ~2 billion on earth and around ~3.5 billion left living in space. Not exactly "half of humanity now lives in space" but ~2/5ths of humanity living in space is not too far off either.
I don't know about Jupiter, but the populations of the Moon and Axis are fucking tiny. Von Braun, the largest Lunar city has a population of 100,000 to 150,000 iirc, so the combined population of all the Lunar cities can't be more than a million, give or take. Axis has even less people; according to the old Gundam Official site:
>After the end of the One Year War, Axis becomes a place of refuge for renegade Principality soldiers fleeing the Earth sphere. Half the remaining Principality fleet eventually makes its way to Axis, along with ten thousand soldiers and twenty thousand family members and dependents.
The greater percentage of the human population living in colonies is part of the reason for the unrest in the earthsphere. They resent the fact that while being the majority they have little to no representation/power in the Earth Federations leadership and are being controlled and governed by people living on earth. Zeta went into this a little more. IIRC during the dakkar speech arc its shown that the all the colonies only have a single representative in the main governing body.
>Wasn't the Principality of Zeon at a MONSTROUS manpower disadvantage during the whole war?
Yeah, they did. Somewhat lessened by the destruction of Side 5 and Side 6 sitting out the war, but they knew the odds were against them in a prolonged war.
>tfw no spin-off sports manga where Zeon the EFG settle the OYW with a good old fashion sports match.
>tfw you'll never see Amuro score straight love against Char in a tennis match
>tfw you'll never see the dreaded Black Tri-stars Jet Stream Ally Oop in basketball
>tfw you'll never see Kai make the game winning touchdown in a football game moments before flashing a peace sign to Miharu on the Zeon cheerleader squad.
>tfw you'll never see a cheerleader milf off between Matilda and Kycilla at the half-time show that has both sides of the war in desperate need of tissue and blood transfusion.
In the plot to assasinate Gihren manga isn't their a side 3 hobbyshop selling gunpla? They also were advertising the all new dozle custom zaku kit at the shop.
I'd bet that the chains generally stick to one faction or the other. When two cultures really hate each others' guts, it's pretty hard to deal to both of them. You can intentionally position yourself as a third party, but that doesn't work for all markets well. Arms dealers? Sure. Restaurants? Not so much.
For example, the whole Freedom Fries thing and how McDonalds is faring in Russia right now.
When you take into account the way the population is split in UC, it really gives perspective to why Zeon Deikun's movement had strength.
As much as half of the human population (if you assume that 50% is a proper figure, and I wouldn't go any higher than that) had no representation in the Federation, and were actively being denied representation despite requesting it.
It also lends some perspective as to why Zeon wasn't just fighting against Earthnoids, but spacenoids too. That's something that people seem to have trouble understanding, and I've yet to figure out why. Some colonies had an active EFSF presence (especially after the arms build up leading up to the OYW), so it's hardly surprising that not every colony would side with Zeon. Altogether, Zeon made up a chunk of the half (or less) of the human population.
When you start to look at the state of things pre-OYW, it becomes very clear why the war happened, and why it basically never stopped. I don't believe the Federation ever backed down and gave spacenoids proper representation, and they showed that they were willing to kill to keep things that way. That manpower disparity also shows why the Zabi family was so ruthless when the war started, because that was the only way they could win.
>Not Hugo Boss
>2/5ths of humanity living in space
That would be 3/5 in space and 2/5 on earth. Also the 9/11 billion figure is pre-Operation-British so there are almost definitely fewer than 2 billion on earth after. Iffish actually landed in three pieces, the largest of which hit Sydney but there was destruction in coastal areas across the globe from tsunamis as well as the impact of the other two pieces (just look at New Yark).
The movie narration is inaccurate, as is the original series dub narrator saying each side lost half their respective population in the One Week Battle. It's half the total population from OYB and considerably more than half of the population living in space.
Also they apparently fucked like rabbits up there because fifteen years later the population has fully recovered (at least according to Quess, but then again she's an idiot).
>Also they apparently fucked like rabbits up there because fifteen years later the population has fully recovered
You see, living in a world where Jegans are real and giant robots transforming into (weird) planes are a viable military unit tend to increase one's morale quite a bit
or at least it is for me
Thank to 'that anon' for all the numbers.
In my mind Gundam UC, as great as it is, suffer a case of 'Author have no sense of scale' with the death of "half of humanity". 5 Billions people is hard to imagine even inside fragile colony, and certainly not on Earth even with starvation, and even less in the time frame considered.
World Ward II casualties highest estimation are of 80 millions for comparison.
I imagine you would have to drop Tsar bombs on every capital of the planet to get over 500 millions.
The fragile O'neill Colony can be considered like that, but as the numbers used here >>12472858 show, it would still ask for a frighteningly throughout destruction of colonies.
But you can claim that the destruction of one produce enough debris to take at least another (we've seen colony apparently cut in two).
Most of humanity lived in the space colonies by the time OYW happened.
Side 5 was completely destroyed in the war, Side 1, 2, and 4 were all attacked and suffered heavy casualties. Side 6 was neutral. Side 3 was, obviously, Zeon.
Side 7 was never and only had one colony.
If most of humanity was concentrated at those six points, it is possible to have half of humanity die in the first month of the war as they get nuked to hell and back.
You shouldn't compare it to WWII. Compare it instead to Cold War if it turned into WWIII with nukes flying everywhere, and with most of the world's population concentrated amongst six megalopolis.
As for the issues with scale, I believe the Gundam movie trilogy stated that the population of Side 3 was 150 million. Which, if true, would make it by far the smallest of all the Sides, as every other one should have population in the billions.
Yes and no. Side 6 colonies declared independence with the help of Zeon, and had diplomatic ties with the Federation while claiming neutrality. They didn't join the war, so it wasn't really an issue at the time. Of course, we know that this was partially bullshit, because they allowed a Federation military base to perform R&D on Libot, which is pretty blatantly not neutral.
Just for reference, Sides 2, 4, and 5 were targeted by Zeon (mostly for the purposes of doing some good old colony dropping). Side 5 was the Battle of Loum and had Texas Colony.