We need a GM thread to show those Zeeks that the Federation wields superior machines.
>getting this mad that Zeon engineers made the GM cheaper and more efficient
Even we thought they were real GMs.
GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD
The fact you Feddies needed Zeon engineers to make a Zaku for you guys means you're the jealous ones.
We're just that good.
GET OUUT OF MY EARTHSPHERE YOU FUCKING ZEEEEEKS
>Feddies wield superior machines
>Feddies not superior enough to keep GMs out of Zeonic hands
We appreciate the machines though!
>We appreciate the machines though!
>Feddie Kampfer v. Zeon GM
>being this mad
nigga we took your zakus and made them master grade
THe only reason why the Kampfer even won against the GMs in 0080 was because somebody was a moron who deployed them facing towards the ground, meaning they couldn't actually shoot the Kampfer because they actually cared about the people living in the colony.
Besides, 0080 has already shown that zeeks can't win without literal magic. Behold, the magical teleporting GM, which teleports behind cover so that it doesn't just shoot the Hygogg, and then has the GM pilots have the reaction times of a dying snail.
They probably should have solved the overheating problem. The BIg Zam as a concept kind of falls apart when you can just run away from it for twenty minutes, then tear it to pieces.
Alternatively, you give a GM a bazooka, because I-Fields can't melt ballistic weaponry.
Fuck that zeek scum, Tacticool-senpais!
>Federation makes their own version of the Big Zam
Too bad it can probably be taken out by a Zaku with a bazooka, but I'm up for it.
I like the sound of that future.
Also, can daughtress play too? They're like GMs, but with worse weapons.
They got canned before the Gelgoog came out and weren't even reconsidered when the Gelgoogs finally were put on the assembly line.
We have shitty executives running our MS department.
Of course they can.
There's nothing wrong with their weapons, Gundam plot armour is just ludicrously thick in X. They barely even try to dodge.
Plus the Daughtress can move like a Dom.
By "worse weapons" I meant they don't get ranged beam weapons. They get a machine gun as standard loadout (Even the commander versions). And instead of a bazooka, they just glue a cannon to the existing backpack.
Also on a side note, from what I've heard and seen that model in the pic is one of the worst gundam kits bandai has ever made. Mine is arriving in 3 weeks. Should be fun.
No vulcans at all, just claw missiles. It can use the ring of beam guns for defensive fire.
No, it's not fast at all. Just 0.30G of acceleration means a Zaku can accelerate more than twice as quickly.
The Armored GM. Thicker armour, Dom-style hovering, and the standard loadout of bazooka and machine gun or beam spray rifle.
Pretty much the only thing it's missing is the chest-mounted camera dazzling low-intensity beam weapon.
>being a Zeek
>not being a third party
I like fighting against both sides
Even if it did, the advantage of a mobile armour is overwhelming and surprising force.
If you rolled out a bunch in every battle the feds would quickly come up with increasingly efficient anti-MA tactics. MAs never stuck around as more than alt forms for a reason.
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I don't know where to find all the damn acceleration figures.
Where do you guys get them?
Huh, interesting, sorta miss the skirted feet though/
SOme people just don't wanna set up VPNs for a game that's poorly patched.
Thank you Captain Obvious. That is what GMs do best.
You mean literal armor armor. The Alex was more armored in every way than the original 78, and FA easily tanked the mines. After the smoke cleared, all that was left was target practice. Remember that the GM's 100mm gun can rip into its own armor (at close range, but still). Now think of a ridiculous barrage of 60mm on a lightly armored, hand-assembled suit that isn't defending itself. The Kampfer was not prepared for the powerhouse that was Alex.
As much as we'd like to believe that Chobham armor is really that amazing, those mines should have done severe damage to the unit under that armor. Explosives aren't generally that discriminate, and especially not explosive that large. Those weren't your grandpa's land mines; those were bonafide "fucking up mobile suits" land mines.
And this isn't your grandpa's Chobham, either. Luna Titanium probably went into that, too. Not to mention it was likely designed for the purpose of taking a huge hit and falling off, as it did after getting hit with the mines. Mines, mind you, made for taking out Zakus and GMs, not a FA Gendum.
Also the joints and head were exposed to the full blunt of the blast since they were unprotected, yet when the dust settled only the Chobham armor was damaged and conveniently cast off to show a scratch free Alex. If there wasn't plot armor, at best the head and main camera would be damaged, at worst, the joints would be rendered inoperable and it would be a sitting duck for the Kampher.
These mines aren't built to completely obliterate a mobile suit, just render a titanium/ceramic alloy leg inoperable or unrepairable. Even a line of them will only blast what's under them, not what's around them. And I don't recall a single mine landing and detonating on a joint or the head.
The problem is more related to the fact that the Chobham armor didn't cover 100% of the Alex. In fact, it didn't cover a whole hell of a lot of important things.
The problem is that the mines wrapped around the Alex and temporarily held it before they exploded. They hit the left arm and wrap around the torso to the left leg. Although the animation would seem to imply that the chain mine somehow only hit locations with chobham armor on them, it's neither possible nor wholly relevant.
My favorite part of looking at that scene, is seeing how the chain mine wraps around the skirt armor and then onto the left thigh (which is completely uncovered by the Chobham armor for some reason), and then back on to the skirt armor. The chain mines then wrap around AGAIN (despite not having enough length) and ends on the armor just above the left foot.
Again, the Alex took zero damage to the main body despite being wrapped nearly three times from arms/upper torso to legs. Somehow not a single mine covered a surface that wasn't covered by Chobham armor (which is simply not possible, given the shitty coverage it has), and somehow none of the explosive damaged the armor through at least the seams of the armor. Nevermind the fact that the explosive mines would damage the body with pressure alone, nevermind the explosively-formed penetrators that would at least do surface damage to the Alex.
Chobham armor is good and all, but it's just an extra layer of the armor that is already on the Alex. What was shown just cannot be.
Actually I nitpicked two animation errors, and only one was relevant to the point I was making.
What I'm saying is, explosives of that caliber directly latched onto a mobile suit can't only damage the Chobham armor. That's not really how explosives work and the armor itself doesn't even cover some of the most vital parts of the Alex outside of the torso. It's like putting extra plates of armor on the whole body of a Humvee, and then putting regular automotive glass in for the windows.
Ramba Ral once pushed aside molten metal, nukes cause shockwaves in space and beams can blast away half a cockpit but leave the pilot unscathed. Even in UC, some physics are not spectacular. That doesn't mean that the director/s are purposely ignoring them just so that muh gendum can win. If you think about it and remove a little artistic liberty in the action sequence, that one chain mine could very well have hit only Chobham-covered parts. Because of the sheer amount of stress the joints put up with and the fact that engineers don't mind exposing them, it's fair to say those are incredibly strong even without Chobam. I'll give you the visor and some scratches on the armor but it's fair to assume there are backup cameras that would have withstood the pressure of the blast (remember that mobile suits can do Earth and space pressure changes with few problems, cameras are probably impervious to pressure/blast). So in the end, the result doesn't change. The Kampfer was always outmatched. The Alex would have taken minor damage but still had advantages in everything except speed (at their range this was negligible). Kampfer always loses to Alex.
The pictured M1A1 was supposedly hit by a shaped charge in the rear grill from a Hellfire, and a tank round from the left to the right side with the exit hole visible on the picture.
They could've covered the Alex and diamonds and it wouldn't make a damn difference. Just the pressure of the explosions alone would dent the armor, bust hydraulic tubes, and so on. It's not an issue of artistic liberty or little physics errors; it's just blatantly wrong. That's an issue that 0080 has throughout, despite its fantastic quality. The people that animated the action scenes didn't do a spectacular job with making it believable, even by Gundam standards.
As far as armor distribution, the knees the bottom half of the upper thighs aren't covered, and the upper thighs are also uncovered on the sides of the suit. The knee joint is an extremely vital part of the mobile suit and was pretty much ignored by the Chobham armor's designers. It's not even an issue of stress or weight, they just wasted their time armoring parts of the legs that weren't even important, AND covering up the leg thrusters in the process.
The Alex should be about as serviceable as that M1A1 is.
Not to mention one was in the rear. This is 0079/0080, where people live in giant space colonies and massive humanoid walkers run around shooting beams. Technology has changed. Materials have changed.
Artistic liberty was simply referring to the chain mines wrapping longer than they should have.
The "physics errors" still stand. These people aren't experts. If something explodes, it causes damage. If it doesn't, it didn't. What matters is that this is consistent in the universe (all of UC is kind of on par with this but Origin showed a battleship crumpling under pressure due to hull damage, which was a good step.) because it gives neither an unfair advantage. Nitpicking little errors in that are consistent throughout Gundam doesn't change the fact that the Alex is a walking powerhouse made to cut down Zeek MS like butter while taking a few to the chin, and so it does.