What must a mecha series do exactly to be seen as a serious story rather than a guilty pleasure/train wreck/not take itself seriously? I've seen most anons here right off virtually every /m/ series of the current century as non-serious.
Step 1: Don't be Cross Ange
Step 2: Don't be Gundam Seed
Step 3: Actually don't be any Gundam except Turn A or 0080
Step 4: Don't be any Macross except Plus
For an example of this: Giant Robo
Literally just have fun and genuinely want to make the show you're making. If you're making a show because you have to, odds are it's not going to turn out well.
Also, take anything /m/ says with a grain of salt. When a fanbase is comprised of people who are simply fans and not people who actually study the art of filmmaking/writing, then a lot of bias comes forth.
But do you understand WHY something is bad? That is the difference.
There's a reason there's no Rogert Ebert of reviewing anime, because theiy're all just fans, they aren't people that have studied the medium extensively.
It all depends on the villains. The villains have to look like a serious, deadly threat.
Look at Daimidaler, it has pulled off this aspect really well.
To take itself seriously
To not pander so overtly and shamelessly that it breaks all suspension of disbelief and forces us to recognize when it's bullshit
To create a sense of bullet proof internal consistency
To treat it's audience with some modicum of respect.
Not try impress the audience with bullshit we don't care about.
Give the audience of the series what they want but don't be really cheap and just shill the easy call backs and cheap nods to the audience that only the really really entrenched will understand.
Nothing wrong with having that in there every once in a while, but if the entire show is just a long string of those callbacks and inside jokes and it's not trying to entertain an unknowing outsider by presenting it to them in a way that they would like then it's just masturbation.
That's harder to pull off than you think.
Japan needs to make a mech series so Japanese that it will literally come down to just "you don't get it" when we say we don't like it.
Like, the Joshiraku of mech anime, aka the show known as "you must be this japanese to get this joke"
>Study the writing process with an actual education in it, yes.
Nobody needs to study it to see what's bad and what's good. On top of that, there's nothing to study in wrighting process.
Writing proper prose that flows correctly?
Writing good stories and being able to recognize good stories?
No, not at all.
When you get people who spend their lives in some artistic medium or anything like that together you get a bunch of navel gazers who're writing impenetrable garbage for other navel gazers.
At a certain point, you're going to have to ask "who am I doing this for" and if you answer is "professional critics" or "hardcore afficianado's of this" then you should not have any input on anything that is for a majority of people or popular stuff.
Cause...that's not how you do it.
There is nothing wrong with pleasing your little social circle/peers and the hardcore fans.
But...if that's all you care about then you're fairly useless when it comes to making something for anyone outside of those two groups.
I don't like the implications that only the "true artists" can create something intelligent.
It's all dense self fellating fucktardation that only other sotted and set in their little circlejerk of asshole fucktards would appreciate.
If you want people to understand what you're saying then you're going to have to speak in common.
If you want to show how intelligent and artistic you are then stick to making cheap garbage for others of your ilk.
So only people in a circlejerk can enjoy Life Is Beautiful (a film that wasn't even in english and was beloved by Americans when it was released subtitled in theatres)? Or War and Peace (a book that uses very simple, common language, but nowadays barely anyone will read it because it's "too long")?
You're twisting what I'm saying into something about elitist literature. I just want stories that will actually stand the test of time and be something of real merit. And quite honestly, someone who studies the medium DOES have a better understanding of it than just some person on a message board.
>"they won't let me in their club so I'll call it shit!"
You sound like someone who tried to read a REAL book and got angry because they didn't "get it". Or went to /lit/.
>So only people in a circlejerk can enjoy Life Is Beautiful (a film that wasn't even in english and was beloved by Americans when it was released subtitled in theatres)? Or War and Peace (a book that uses very simple, common language, but nowadays barely anyone will read it because it's "too long")?
The only people who liked life is beautiful were oscar voters and no one who didn't have to read war and peace.
And I'm not twisting anything. You are the one who got "PLEBIANS CAN NOT UNDERSTAND INTELLIGENT OR ARTISTIC TRUE AHT" out of my fucking post when my post was about creating media for small hardcore fans you foolish elitist twat.
>The only people who liked life is beautiful were oscar voters
Bullshit, I loved that movie. The ending made me legitimately sad. And it wouldn't have been the second highest grossing foreign film in the US ever if only that group liked it. If anything a lot of critics DIDN'T like it because it sidestepped around the issue of the Holocaust going on in the film with the use of humor.
> You are the one who got "PLEBIANS CAN NOT UNDERSTAND INTELLIGENT OR ARTISTIC TRUE AHT" out of my fucking post when my post was about creating media for small hardcore fans
Because it implied that something made for hardcore fans can't be enjoyed by everyone else.
Street Fighter is not made for you, it's made for the FGC. It's always been made for the FGC, ever since Super Turbo. That doesn't stop everyone else from enjoying it as a fighting game, even if they don't understand how complex the game is.
>Bullshit, I loved that movie. The ending made me legitimately sad. And it wouldn't have been the second highest grossing foreign film in the US ever if only that group liked it. If anything a lot of critics DIDN'T like it because it sidestepped around the issue of the Holocaust going on in the film with the use of humor.
That's nice. Fuck you who cares what you think. In the real world, that shit got no play and no views. Outside of people who are swayed by bullshit like the oscars.
>Because it implied that something made for hardcore fans can't be enjoyed by everyone else.
That's because it's oft not. What are you retarded? Something made for a specific audience doesn't tend to pull in people from a totally different audience.
I even state that if you make it for hardcore fans then you should really try to show it in a way that even non hardcore people can enjoy and will like.
You started this entire fucking ridiculous thing about people not being able to enjoy "artistic" and "intelligent" works.
Which is, to be honest, fucking insulting.