>>12505987 >her final BF is a douchebag That just proves how perfect Elle is. If she could put up with Beecha she could put up with you or me. Lalah would just constantly compare you to Amuro and Char.
Also Elle isn't just a pilot, she's canonically fairly handy with a rocket launcher. She's the kind of girl who can back you up in a fight rather than need protection, and she's still willing to do the laundry (provided she gets some help) Best of both worlds.
Char barely cared about newtypes at all. He never even mentions them in CCA outside of talking to Quess, who he uses as a living weapon without a second thought because he finds her annoying. He abuses his father's ideals as a front for his own rather fucked up plans and desires, CCA being a desire to finally prove himself better than Amuro.
There's nothing particularly wrong with ZZ girls but neither of the mains are really fleshed out or their reasons explored for their role and screentime. People always have more to say about their achievements than views or motivations.
>>12506039 >he used the only one besides himself and his enemy that he knew of in existence 1. Flanagan Institute had many newtypes, not only Lalah. Chalia Bull, Simus Bakharov (that Braw Bro woman), Al Cuzco and others. 2. Char knew that if there are not so many newtypes now, there would be more newtypes later. 3. Char wanted Lalah to help him in developing his own newtype powers.
We know nothing of the Flanagan institute in CCA, nor of any other newtypes being alive at the time. Or for several decades after that point. Char had no way to know whether there would be more born or not given that he didn't even have any real idea what a newtype was/is and yet he still put the only other one he could possibly have as an ally in a war machine because it was convenient. And then didn't give a shit when she died. Like, his reaction was "Oh, she wanted a father figure - no wonder I found her so annoying". That is not the reaction of a man who cares about the future of newtypes. He was using them and their future as a cause for his own gains and nothing more. Same as he did Zeon, same as he did AEUG, same as he did everything and everyone bar arguably Lalah and perhaps Kamille.
>>12506061 >Flanagan institute in CCA, Ruined after OYW and all the specialists were either working for Axis/Neo-Zeon or Titans. >Char had no way to know whether there would be more born Nanai was newtype too. It's implied during CCA at least one time, when Char says something like "Retreat? Nanai, don't interrupt our fight!" while her voice is not to be heard. Also there were at least two living newtypes Char knew about -Sayla and Amuro. Then he met Haman etc.
Seriously? Do you not have any idea what a head set radio is?
> Then he met Haman
Haman was dead. Amuro was his enemy, hence why I gave the qualifier "could be his ally", because Amuro would never work with him for his stated (but not true) cause. I did forget about Sayla though, but then, so did the film. She'd never work with him either regardless. So it's one of four dead rather than one of three. His actions and reaction are still the same, and those are the important thing because they reveal his priorities and desires far better than any eloquent speeches or musing thoughts ever could.
>>12506103 >Seriously? Do you not have any idea what a head set radio is? Usualy in Gundam you always hear radio conversations between MS and homeship. About post-Zeta newtypes: I bet that Char had some sort of influence on ZZ-events. So, probably he knew about Nahel Argama and Kamille getting healed, Anyway, he had no newtypes to work with, so he involved Nanai and other scientists (if there were some alive of them) to work on making cyber-newtype out of Gyunei.
> Usualy in Gundam you always hear radio conversations between MS and homeship.
Usually doesn't mean always anon. The movie isn't going to reveal Nanai as a newtype in that casual and esoteric a method, In fact, that's the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest it is the case. Not to mention it runs counter to the normal Newtype connection, which is to either do a newtype naked space conversation or to only sense a feeling, not to get exact intent like they've just heard a spoken line.
> So, probably he knew about Nahel Argama and Kamille getting healed
Theory, at best. A theory for which you have no proof. Not that I subscribe to the idea he was really broken up over Kamille in the first place, given that he never stopped to check on him after the battle and just fucked off by himself instead. He may not even know Kamille was hurt.
> Anyway, he had no newtypes to work with, so he involved Nanai and other scientists (if there were some alive of them) to work on making cyber-newtype out of Gyunei.
He had newtypes though. Well, newtype. And he put her to work as a pilot even though she had only a few hours training at most and no real understanding of their cause. So he created Gyunei - who he also stuffed in to a war machine.
That doesn't make his priorities any different or better.
>>12506135 >Usually doesn't mean always anon. Can you remind me any other example? >The movie isn't going to reveal Nanai as a newtype in that casual and esoteric a method, In fact, that's the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest it is the case Nanai is claimed as newtype in her own manga too. >He had newtypes though. Until he met Quess he had one HQ-newtype and one cyber-newtype. Sometimes people have to sacrifice their ideals in order to get results. Look at the modern history.
Seeing as how I'm not going to rewatch the entire franchise to pick out one minor example of something I'd have never taken note of before, no. I'm not that invested in proving myself right.
> Nanai is claimed as newtype in her own manga too.
Is it written by Tomino? Explicitly based on his notes? Is there any reason to assume it's actually canon to what he intended at all?
> Until he met Quess he had one HQ-newtype and one cyber-newtype. > he had one HQ-newtype
Oh, so you're just assuming she is a newtype now and not theorizing based on really flimsy evidence? Fair enough. Char never mentions newtypes as a cause during CCA, not even during his speeches. The only time he interacts with known newtypes he does so as soldiers and shows no concern for their future or place in the grand scheme of things. He doesn't care about them. The only thing he cares about by CCA is proving himself better than Amuro and getting revenge on him for Lalah's death.
Tomino himself has no idea what he meant. He changes his mind on what newtypes are supposed to represent or how they represent it every entry and never gives a straight answer in interviews about them that I've seen. If he doesn't know, how are the audience supposed to?
>>12506173 >He changes his mind on what newtypes are supposed to represent or how they represent it every entry and never gives a straight answer in interviews about them that I've seen. He recently said he has not a lot of hope in the "Newtype" word anymore. You could guess that by Mashner's death.
>>12506167 >Is there any reason to assume it's actually canon to what he intended at all? Since there are no other explanations and no other versions - it may be an arguable canon. And the fact that she's pregnant with Char's son at the end is may be a kind of Hi-Streamer idea. >The only thing he cares about by CCA is proving himself better than Amuro and getting revenge on him for Lalah's death. If he wanted, he could try to hunt Amuro not on duty. And he never knew about psychofield's power. I think that Char wanted to defeat EF fast or give it a serious strike which could help him to take over the initiative. That's why he has planned the Axis drop.
No, no there is one. You're just ignoring it in favor of your own preferred one.
> And the fact that she's pregnant with Char's son at the end is may be a kind of Hi-Stream's idea.
So you're just amalgamating every single thing concerning CCA in to one version and calling it true?
> he could try to hunt Amuro not on duty.
He could, but that wouldn't prove him a better pilot and man, which is what he appears to want to do going by the film.
> That's why he has planned the Axis drop.
That's certainly what he wanted people to assume, yes. Personally I think he just didn't want a protracted war of any kind since he had no interest in leading for any longer than absolutely necessary and only really wanted a single battle with Amuro to wave his dick in his face so he justified mass death to himself and his followers along with a betrayal of his father's ideals about the sacredness of Earth. Kind of hard to say you hold it as sacred when you're willing to wipe the slate clean for millions of years and risk life never getting a foothold back again after all. Axis hitting would probably have been a Chicxulub level event at the very least given it's size (14km or so across at it's widest, as opposed to the KT bolloid being 10km) and could have caused a mass extinction given the right conditions.
>>12506225 >So you're just amalgamating every single thing concerning CCA in to one version and calling it true We can remember another idea - the idea that Uso from Victory is Char's great grandson. Anyway I haven't said that my view on status of Nanai's newtypeism is right and that BtT might be non-canon. >sacredness of Earth The Earth must be free from human's presence after people have started space colonisation. New extinction event or new Ice Age won't damage the Earth very badly. Also Char's Neo Zeon never had any colonies other than Palau and Sweetwater under control. Palau couldn't provide them with enough resourses to start new OYW. People don't start wars because of MUH WISH. If Char was a real psycho, then he will get himself killed before he'll be able to do shit.
> the idea that Uso from Victory is Char's great grandson.
Adding more theory to the pile then I see. It's no more true than Uso is Gym's great-great....grandfather. Tomino just likes reusing names.
> New extinction even or new Ice Age won't damage the Earth very badly
Killing almost all life, including the vegetation isn't damaging it now? I mean sure, the planet itself will survive as a ball of matter. It isn't the ball that Zeon Zum Deikun held sacred though. That'd be like holding an asteroid sacred. It's the combined life and it's cycles and it's potential he held sacred. Life which Char was happy to wipe away and which would probably take millions of years to recover.
Besides which, if it was just a case of "oh, it'll just recover in millions of years regardless" then why would he care about humans being on it, because the planet would move on regardless of whether humans are on it or not. It's just come to a different paradigm.
>>12506331 >as a ball of matte Did all species on the Earth die during any mass extinction? No, some of them have survived and evolved in somehting superior. And why do we need Earth when we are okay with living in space colonies? It's not important in any economical way. Earthnoids are parasites.
>>12506276 >the idea that Uso from Victory is Char's great grandson Grandson, not great grandson (he is pretty great though). And while this theory was allegedly supported by some ot the staff on Victory, Tomino said they are not related. It's just coincidence that Uso's mother's maiden name and Nanai's last name are the same.
> Did all the species on Earth die during any mass extinction
No, but they've come close. The Chixculub event is the biggest one we still have some geological evidence for and that was smaller than Axis.
> Some of them survived and evolved in to something superior
Yup. Which is why I asked why he was so bothered about humanity's effect on Earth if we hold this to be his view, given that life on Earth would just evolve to fit within whatever conditions we cause Earth to take. So Char's actions make even less sense if all he cared was that the Earth kept spinning.
> And why do we need Earth
Because it's a better environment for living than a small and fragile colony by a long, long way. Which is why the Moonrace were so desperate to move back in Turn-A. Artificial colonies are good, but a planet is better. And Earth is best because we are custom evolved to fit Earth.
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