>>13305804 >>13305816 Sure, but this was supposed to be a Godzilla movie and Godzilla isn't even the subject of the film. It's those stupid looking MUTOs.
Plus this has been talked to death, but aside from Ken Watanabe (and Bryan Cranston who has like a glorified cameo), all the human characters sucked. Just the usual cliched disaster movie fodder. In all honesty it feels more like a Roland Emmerich film than his version of Godzilla did.
>>13305829 >aside from Ken Watanabe (and Bryan Cranston who has like a glorified cameo), all the human characters sucked. Pretty much. I certainly wouldn't have complained as much if those two were the ones who were more actively involved. Instead of the son coincidentally being wherever Godzilla is.
>>13305865 I think the problem isn't so much Godzilla's screentime as it is that the director thinks it'd be a great idea to show closeups of his back all the time and obscuring him with water and other shit.
Which was fucking pointless. Plus they never even had the classic camera perspective when Godzilla fought. It was all bullshit POV shots from the annoying soldier.
I was not a fan of the MUTOs at all. For a start, I felt like the inclusion of a monster besides Godzilla at this point was a bad move, especially since the film is simply titled "Godzilla". Have him be the monster for a bit. My main issue with them though is that there was no artistic cohesion between them and Godzilla. They looked directly lifted another film with a vastly different art direction, and then just plonked next to Godzilla.
>>13306364 I agree. But on the other hand the point might have been to have Godzilla beat up modern,edgy movie monsters and show them who's boss. Because those MUTOs sure looked a hell of a lot like Gigan fucked the Cloverfield monster and this came out of that unholy union.
>>13305793 I actually really liked the MUTOs and what they did with Godzilla. Boring bland soldier man could have had 3/4 of his screentime cut and nothing would be lost. And fuck the amount of times the director thought it would be a good idea to cut to bland soldier's wife looking worried.
>>13305861 PR2 is actually dead. Universal fucked it by bailing out of Crimson Peak due to its R rating, forcing Legendary to foot the bill themselves. >we're not going to pay for a HORROR movie unless it's PG-13!
Its only hope of being revived is if Crimson Peak does gangbusters. Horror movies usually do really well, but that's largely because they can be made for peanuts. Crimson Peak's $55m before marketing. At least it's actually being marketed, though.
>>13305793 It was faithful enough for me to consider it a Godzilla movie but it's on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to them. One of my biggest issues is Godzilla himself just feels kinda there, the whole plot is revolved around the other monsters making Godzilla's presence almost non existent.
The average Godzilla movie is only an hour and a half long. I think the longest before 14 was Final Wars at 2 hours. 2014 was a 2 and a half hour movie. That means that even if proportionately it can be the same, it's still another hour your ass is in the seat before Godzilla does shit.
>>13307711 When I was a one year old, one year was 100% of my life, now that I am 25 a year is 1/25 of my life. Does it make the things I do now less meaningful because it is a fraction of my time this far?
Ok but I'm terrible at Japanese names, I'm a faces person.
Serizawa obviously, but that's cheating. The reporter girl MC from GMK whose father was an SDF commander and the movie was basically about her The girl in Caesar that THE WHOLE FUCKING PLOT REVOLVED AROUND GODDAMN MOVIE FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE The 2 scientists in Megalon Not-Neo
I thought it was a good movie, and that it was probably the best Godzilla you could expect from someone who probably grew up hearing that Destroy All Monsters was the best entry in the series. I got the impression that the people who worked on the movie drew heavily from DAM for the human perspective, and took advantage of the fresh start to go wild with a new monster.
>>13307758 I mean you did a good job summarizing the plots and giving me the idea you had seen the movies some time in the past, but where are all these characters you care so much about? >>13307783 Yeah but you don't understand that how you spend those 45 hours could make it the best damn Godzilla movie ever made. An example is something like Enter the Dragon, nobody cares about the story they just want to see Bruce Lee kick ass. And his fight scenes helped revolutionize fight choreo in films ever since.
I really liked it. I'm not hardcore into Godzilla, I watch a lot when I was little. Godzilla is a bit secondary, but with all the disaster porn movies out you just get tired of shit crashing. This was a nice change of pace and the human story was good. Could of used more godzilla.
The problem with the Godzilla-parts of 2014 didn't have much to do with how much of Godzilla there was, or how often he was on the screen. It had more to do with every single time he did appear on the screen, there is a big build up of Godzilla about to do something, and then it just cuts away. I can't think of another Godzilla movie that just teases you and teases you and dangles your monster right in front of your nose, and then never delivers on the Godzilla until the final climax.
>>13308013 > An example is something like Enter the Dragon, nobody cares about the story they just want to see Bruce Lee kick ass. And his fight scenes helped revolutionize fight choreo in films ever since. Yeah, so the parts that everyone wanted to see are the relevant ones. That proves me right if anything.
>>13306455 I see you posted this chart again now please fix it to show how much of that screen time is of fight scenes and not just godzilla standing around doing jack shit, once you do that godzilla 2014 would be a lot lower, because in the other godzilla films once the fight started you saw most of it, it did not cut away every 2 seconds
>>13305829 >aside from Ken Watanabe (and Bryan Cranston who has like a glorified cameo), all the human characters sucked This. Only good characters are the minor ones. Seriously, Watanabe only shows for a few scenes to lay down some exposition and fucks off and Cranston, holy fuck, don't get me started on that. It's all your "generic True American Soldier against big bad Original Monster of the week" crap. The title hero of the whole goddamn movie is a side character too, fucking MUTO this, MUTO that. Underwhelming to say the least (and I wasn't expecting much).
Eh, it was a mid-tier Goji film. Still a hell of a lot better than that 1998 abomination and I'll be damned if Big G unleashing the atomic breath wasn't the hypest thing I've seen in theaters this past decade.
>>13305793 Mediocre to annoying. Boring characters, annoying cinematography.
It got to a point i started counting how many more "character arives at the destination, stands and stares like a moron behind the panning camera focusing on him" shots i'll see. Fuck it, the fights were good, but they were so dark and the mutos so similar to eachother i had no idea which is which. Not to mention they did so many dumb "huge gigantic thing infront of your nose - cant see" moments. From a submarine to the monsters. Wouldnt watch it a second time, as the only interesting character dies at the start of the film.
>>13317660 Too much CGI that doesn’t even look convincing. It looks like it’s trying to emulate an American ‘edgy’ modern monster movie feel and it just looks so dull. Then there’s the swarm of Gyaos which are poorly rendered digital creations. This just looks so unimpressive.
If Godzilla 2016 is going to look like this, then my excitement is dead.
>>13318702 IT's so fucking stupid because the MUTOs are basically on full display for most of the film. You get a good look at them constantly.
And Godzilla, ultimately the hero in the film, is constantly in the shadows.
HEY NUMBNUTS! YOU GOT THAT THE WRONG WAY AROUND! THE LESS YOU SEE OF SOMETHING THE MORE THREATENING IT IS IN YOUR MIND! THE MORE YOU SEE SOMETHING, THE EASIER IT IS TO INTERPRET IT'S ACTIONS AND GROW ATTACHED TO IT.
Literally fuck yourself, Evans. How can somebody be so pretentious, yet so retarded at the same time.
>>13318691 >>13318746 >We gotta appeal to a new audience who are unfamiliar with Godzilla >Lets reveal him very slowly >But we also gotta please the fans who already know him >Lets have the city celebrate him at the end so that it feels like in the good old days when he was a character >That might confuse the newcomers who haven't gotten used to him just yet. How about actually developing him? I mean, the human characters have so little to do, we may as well... >Sorry, muh MUTOs and Spielberg copying are more important
>>13318800 >Lets have the city celebrate him at the end so that it feels like in the good old days when he was a character
This is my real issue with the movie. Not exactly the moment itself but more that it could not decide if it wanted to be a serious Godzilla movie or the more whacky ones. The Japanese ones despite all their silly bullshit usually did a good job sticking with one tone per movie while this new one kept hopping around all over the place.
In other words you guys grew up. It's okay to admit you are too big for Dumb monster movies you know. I went back to watch the old Godzilla movies without and with the exception of the original they were all bad and the humans in them were annoying. Some were slightly better than 2014, but many were also worse.
It looked great in Imax. >>13324565 was awesome. The high altitude jump scene with classical music was pretty cool too. Otherwise way too long, Cranston should have lived and played a more central role.
Best Godzilla movie so far. I absolutely loved the movie. I found it deep, multifaceted and compelling. Yes the characters were one-dimensional, but I think that was intentional. The movie fools you into anthropomorphising Godzilla throughout through Dr.Serizawa’s awe and Ford’s mirroring of Godzilla near the end. Then drops you into a stark realization that attributing human qualities to this animal is just stupid, as you see the press response to Godzilla’s final victory. Throughout you cut away from Godzilla when you are about to see his true nature and behavior, and instead interpret his actions through the viewpoint of various observers that saw it transpire. Then when you finally see him in his natural state, you get pulled back to a view by Ford. It is not till the very end that you realize that nobody really understands this creature, and it was possibly the only complex character in the film. The humans who told you the story couldn’t reconcile everything they saw and were consequently irrelevant. This, in my opinion is how it should be for a first Godzilla movie.
Godzilla movies always have lengthy human sections to set up the big fight but in this I felt it was handled poorly. I just did not care about anything that was happening and they were changing locations all the fucking time and in general it just sucked. Then the monsters came around and you got a short CG monster fight. I understand why they used CG over rubber suits but for me the reason I watch these is FOR the rubber suits and said rubber suits fighting amidst practical explosions, drawn lasers, and splashes of whatever liquid. The fight in godzilla 2005 I hardly remember because it was just a standard CGI fight.
>was it a good godzilla movie? It was ok. I'd range it just above the mediocre line as far as Godzilla movies go. Sure there wasn't a lot of the big guy, but a lot of films are guilty of that, not fair to just give this one shit about it. It is fair to give it shit for killing off the most interesting character really early leaving us with G.I. Generic and his mannequin wife. The parts featuring Big G were pretty great though. A decent Goji flick, but far from the best. It was certainly an improvement compared to the last american one
I felt the Father-son relationship had potential and could have made a good lynchpin for the entire movie. Even though Kickass was barely awake for most of the movie, Cranston was acting hard enough for both of 'em.
Instead they gave him this really cheap death as if to say "OMG no one is safe!"
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