>>13335363 It's just a whale. Colonies didn't just have people, they brought insects and animals, too. They explained in Turn-A (during that garden colony thing) that you can't just bring plants because plants need insects and animals in order to thrive. They also showed whales in the lunar colony. This is just a whale from the ancient Jupiter Empire of UC.
>>13335724 >They're all the same universe. SEED is just the very far future of UC, but not quite as far as Turn-A is. Not this shit again. Black History doesn't mean that all universes are one and the same. They're different timelines.
Interesting explanation when accounting for the Black History. However, we know that nobody actually uses that thing when making new Gundam shows, so I wonder what the CE explanation would have been on its own? Actual, yet extinct, life on a moon, something stranger?
>>13335968 The Black History makes no goddamn sense.
Are you telling me that every time without fail, humanity builds mobile suits, get into a war, blow each other to shit, history has a global reset, then we rise from the ashes and yet somehow build suits that look like the old ones all over again?
Apparently. Look, I'm not saying it's not without gaping flaws, but that's the story the Black History brings forward. We never have seen the complete explanation for how each era ends, how each rises from the ashes. We don't know what mechanisms have this make total sense. But clearly that's the intent.
Arguing the intent is you arguing your headcanon. Just deal son. It's robot cartoons.
Sort of true, but the intent was for Turn-A to complete the set of all Gundams, period. So even if shows come out after it, they should still be included. It's not like stories haven't been told out of order before. And curiously, the CE actually bothered to build in references to the Black History, unlike Age, 00, etc.
>>13336008 You know what's somehow even more believable than saying all the timelines happened?
That in the real world (or some parallel to it), earth gets so obsessed with the Gundam franchise that we actually go and build all the mobile suits for real. And then have a world war with them that destroys civilization. THAT is more plausible than a canon that makes no sense because I think Turn A is only 1000 years after the last thing in UC.
>>13336004 I really can't remember where, but I want to say a magazine stated while SEED was airing that it was retroactively added. Either way, didn't the Turn-X MG Manual say that every Gundam sans the Build Fighters universe are part of the Black History?
>>13336020 >Sort of true, but the intent was for Turn-A to complete the set of all Gundams, period  > So even if shows come out after it, they should still be included. No, they shouldn't, because that limits their setting. >And curiously, the CE actually bothered to build in references to the Black History, Which adds nothing to either work. >unlike Age, 00, etc. Because their plots and technological progression would make no sense as part of it.
The upside down "A" meaning completion of a set. Set's still ongoing mang.
>No, they shouldn't, because that limits their setting.
But the Black History shows always do whatever they want. It's up to whoever cares enough to figure out how this all makes sense. The original shows involved didn't even make sense. A fucking piece of Australia is missing sometimes!
>Which adds nothing to either work.
>Because their plots and technological progression would make no sense as part of it.
Yeah, the Black History is dumb if you get deep into it, but too bad, that's the idea.
>>13335363 >So what was it anyway? Was it ever planned for there to be more of them in the setting?
> Fukuda: For the whale stone and George Glan, I had no plans to go in depth. It was going to appear in episode 7 and end with "Why did that stone appear?" Those kind of settings are only there as the basis of the story... For an example, when you discuss the Iraqi War, you don't start talking about the origin of the Islamic religion. *laughs*
Jesus Yamato technically only starts in Destiny, that's where he becomes Superman and only loses once while forcing people to comply with his nonmurder philosophy while ignoring the fact that his suit gives him the ability to do so while others can't.
Kira in Seed spends a lot of time getting kicked around, whether by best friends or people on drugs.
>People still arguing about the extent of the Black History >They'll still be arguing as new Gundam shows continue come out and have it make even less sense >They're still saying it is the end of all Gundams past and future when Tomino himself said G-Reco takes place after Turn-A Is Tomino one of the greatest trolls of all time?
>>13336338 It was mentioned in like only one episode. George Glenn found its skeleton out on Europa during his Jupiter mission. Which isn't entirely implausible, there is serious scientific conjecture that Europa might have life in the liquid water under its ice. It is odd that Glenn would only find one skeleton and nothing else, though. I guess life (or at least macroscopic life) evolved and then went extinct, and very few fossils survived.
>>13335956 >Even model kit manuals don't state that. Actually the MG Turn X manual *does* say that. >>13335985 Yes, that's the story. Does it make sense realistically? No. Does it make less sense than psychic teenagers waging war against war in giant robots? No.
>>13336374 It should be noted that in that same panel where Tomino said G-Reco came after Turn-A he also said he'd like to see the fans make a timeline of all Gundam. He didn't ask for a diagram of universes merging, he asked for a timeline. Singular.
Also originally he said that G-Reco went right after UC. He also answered (or rather dodged) questions about what happened at the end of UC that caused the collapse that RC is recovering from, so it wasn't a misunderstanding about what era Reco went after. Personally I think he moved Reco to post-Turn-A to squash all of the speculation that Reco sets up the world of Turn A, which would effectively mean squeezing out all the non-Tomino shows from the timeline. That's just speculation on my part, though, I've never even met him. It's also fairly likely that he just did it to bring more attention to the show by sparking months of fan debates. Some people also say he did it just to show Sunrise that his word about canon carried more weight than Sunrise's official statements.
It could be that, Calender B could be a continuation of Calendar A, like say, Universal Century, then Future Century, then After Colony, then After War, then Cosmic Era, then 00 Anno Domini, then Future Century, then Post Disaster, and finally, Correct Century as being the last Gundam calendar.
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