>>13461806 CLAMP´'s art style is okay. Mecha designs were variable. Some good. some not. Art style is not that bad. People can watch stuff with Hirai's sameface all the time. Characters are a mixed bag. Some likable, some not.
>>13462037 Well, that's the problem with a lot of Sunrise robot shows where the technology gets a little too powerful too quickly.
Despite what you say, I liked the Shinkirou as well as the Guren Flight Type. SEITEN and Albion did have some spamming, but way less than the Strike Freedom by far where you have a robot that can shoot six lasers at the same time or whatever. The most powerful KMFs could still go into proper melee combat.
>Didn't I just see this thread on /a/ >>13461912 >>>/a/133177799 >Oh right >>13462400 >What's this fleshbag doing in my room? >I wish I was piloting Exia >She doesn't smell like GN particles >Why'd Tieria let this slip. >Why does Sumeragi hate me? >I bet she doesn't even wanna be a Gundam
>>13461783 It's entertaining in part because it didn't follow many of the various cliche's often used in anime for its genre. A healthy dose of historical fiction, drama, suspense and intrigue all wrapped up in a gaudy theatrical bow. I'd compare it to Baccano enjoyable entertainment wise.
>>13463129 >Everything Lelouch did, he did for his mother, for his sister, and for everyone but himself. TOP FUCKING KEK! Did you even watch the show? Everything Lelouch did was for his own selfish petard which winded up not really amounting to everything in the end because his parents was in on everything that transpired, he just used Nunally as an excuse for every heinous act he did ut he was an incredibly petty person. Suzaku actually wanted to be that knight but couldn't do to his own guilt.
>>13464106 Kallen never outright beats him, the only time when she had the advantage was ironically enough was when her mech got upgraded before his.
>The only time the two were on a equal level was during the final fight. Nope. SEITEN is stronger.
> And she still (technically) beat him. No she didnt.
>>13464151 >Everything Lelouch did was for his own selfish petard Not true. He had various intentions behind his action, including those that were in fact for others rather than himself. He literally spells out that changing the world for Nunnnally's sake was his priority. The fact you think that's an excuse seems to run counter to what the character himself says multiple times. I wouldn't call him a true knight though, since neither him nor Suzaku actually were ones.
>Kallen never outright beats him, the only time when she had the advantage was ironically enough was when her mech got upgraded before his.
Which is exactly what happened when Suzaku got his own upgrades too, including the Conquista. Arguably the regular Lancelot was stronger than the Guren too.
>>13464149 Not too much. He had a right to be angry on a personal level, but his loyalty to Britannia made things worse for his fellow Japanese. He didn't allow them the right to rebel, which is universally recognized.
>>13464213 First episode has Lelouch trying to save the terrorists in the truck and looking shocked at the carnage of innocents by Brits. Second episode has him consciously stop the ghetto killings, which he didn't strictly need to do.
>>13464210 >Not true. He had various intentions behind his action, including those that were in fact for others rather than himself. Nope, his entire motivation was built by his own selfish and petty mindset for revenge against Britannia and used Nunnally as a escapegoat for his actions all the time and if you even bothered to watch the show you'd realize that too since he says so himself that he can't use Nunally anymore.
>The fact you think that's an excuse seems to run counter to what the character himself says multiple times
Uh...no it doesn't? Everything he did was for his own selfish reasons and nobody else, he never got what his sister wanted until the end of the show that was what he thought she wanted. Lelouch was a very selfish, egotistic petty person.
> I wouldn't call him a true knight though >>13464151 > Suzaku actually wanted to be that knight but couldn't do to his own guilt.
Never called him a true knight, its like you don't even fucking read.
>Which is exactly what happened when Suzaku got his own upgrades too
Nope, all their battles were even in the first season, when Suzauka got the Conquista Guren got the Eight Types in the same battle.
>Arguably the regular Lancelot was stronger than the Guren too. And this is shit you pulled out your ass
>>13464214 >but his loyalty to Britannia made things worse for his fellow Japanese Uh...except Suzaku saved the Japanese because without his intervention they would have been extinct, pretty much everything that happened to Japan was through their own doing.
>He didn't allow them the right to rebel, which is universally recognized. And this is wrong as well.
>>13464214 Except Suzaku saved them from being wiped out by Britannia, Japan has nothing but themselves to blame for their current situation.
> He didn't allow them the right to rebel You mean like in episode 8 where the JLF leaders took a hotel full of innocent civilians hostage because MUH FREEDOM? If this show did anything right is that it showed that nationalism is bullshit but it seems like so many people missed that or rather Americunts because a protagonist fight for freedom just can't be wrong.
>>13464243 >He literally only says that way, way at the end of the show. Nope, he actually says this early on in R2. He tries to back down when he sees she's alive BUT is reminded of his situation from Suzaku and is just re-affirming that this isn't about Nunnally anymore. His development throughout R2 was realizing that there was more at stake than his petty revenge so its not surprising that his greatest obstacle was the person he held closest to heart.
>>13464239 Sorry kid but I'm not an edgy teenager so its hard for me to sympathize with someone like him. Those seem to be the only people that defends him and his actions nowadays and thinks Suzaku is worse than shit.
Code Geass is inarguably one of the shittiest franchises in /m/-dom next to Gundam and nobody gives a shit about some shitty musical ripoff of a shitty series, except what, a small handful or so of entertainment starved man-children? Pathetic.
Your whiny post is a clear indicator of the caliber of people this show attracts. That is, a very low rate of person.
>>13465751 Are you retarded? Suicide is a very selfish thing because you're taking your own life at the expense of the people who care for you and is considered an easy way out. Lelouch killed himself due to his own selfish whims and retardation, he didn't have to do so because as his sister said she was happiest with him but nope MUH SINS TOO GREAT CAN'T LIVE ANYMORE.
It feels selfless for the person attempting it, but everyone else impacted by it would almost always consider it selfish. The very reason people try to commit suicide is often related to a skewed sense of self-worth.
Lelouch and Suzaku were both far too gone to be saved which is why they came up with something as retarded as Zero's Requiem. The whole reason why Lelouch even did was because he had lost everything and Suzaku wanted a way to punish himself, it was far from a selfless act but a lover's suicide between two edgy teens who had no one to turn to in their hour of need, I think this is the reason why you can avoid it altogether in Z2 as bad as that game was.
>>13465920 >there's methods that don't involve killing yourself. So, killing yourself solves it all.
>>13465925 >>13465911 You have no arguments against suicide other then "it's selfish, yer a faggot, lol fedora" An actually suicidal shit won't care. And you have nothing to counter about the terminally ill.
You're just another self righteous douche meme'ing on 4chan.
>>13465950 >Lulu did nothing wrong. Pretty much ruined the lives of everyone he came in contact with, threw the world into chaos and broke all ties with the people who loved and respected him. That's far from doing nothing wrong.
>Nor did he feel he did wrong. Whole reason why he killed himself was that he thought his sins were too great or whatever.
Either underage or /b/. I can't believe we still keep getting stupid posts like these.
>>13465982 >You have no arguments against suicide other then "it's selfish, yer a faggot, lol fedora" And you have no arguments for suicide period. Just that apparently a mentally inefficient person is stable enough to make his own choices or that there exist a pain that medical producers have not found to subdue so the only reason is to kill yourself.
>>13465982 Suicide is largely a mental thing its not something people just decide willy nilly when they wake up and its looked down upon in many cultures, there is seldom ever a case in which suicide is the way to go.
Because that person is mentally ill, of course he/she won't care because to them the only way to go is to kill oneself that's why there exist treatment for them.
>And you have nothing to counter about the terminally ill. Are you fucking retarded? If suicide was the only option for terminal illness people would have offed themselves centuries ago, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>13465986 Lulu did nothing wrong. He chose to be a King instead of a Pawn. You can't win wars or revolutions being a nice guy. Even aside from the very premise of the show being about violence, you are a delusional middle class bourgeois scum.
>>13465960 Z2 just needed them alive. Because it is more fun. Same reason Kamille did not go nuts either, earlier in Z. Or why so many dead people including villains stick around when they die in canon.
No, they just say there is a better way in a crossover world where you have extra characters and additional circumstances. Which is why it's a fallacy to suggest they would retroactively apply that out of context.
Not to mention that Kamille's kamikaze attack on Scirocco (he put up no defense other than NEWTYPE GHOSTS) was also pretty dumb.
Suicide is only part of the answer. Lelouch always wanted to have an impact on the world before death. He's afraid of dying without accomplishing anything. The plan allows him to simultaneously produce a better status quo and also choose his punishment. The goal matches his original aspirations and at least is preferrable ton Britannia trying to oppress every other nation, Schneizel threatening people with nukes or Charles turning all of them into mystical juice.
>>13466429 >No, they just say there is a better way in a crossover world where you have extra characters and additional circumstances ...which had the exact same conflicts of the show ....which had an alternate route in which you can avoid ZR in general
You have no leg to stand
>Not to mention that Kamille's kamikaze attack on Scirocco (he put up no defense other than NEWTYPE GHOSTS) was also pretty dumb.
It was to show the consequences Kamille had to deal with for using up his power and the tragedies of war that was beyond his cricumstance. Lelouch and Suzaku did what they did because they were just stupid teenagers.
>>13466459 Yes and that's still very selfish of him, why is that so hard for you understand? Hooray he gets to die in a way he wants to without learning nothing because of the power at his disposal rather than in complete failure. That doesn't change the fact that what he did was to satisfy his own petard only this time he didn't ruin more lives as a result.
>>13466486 None of the conflicts from any of the shows included in Z1/2/3 are exactly the same as in their source material and the existence of alternate routes/outcomes in said games has been happening since the SNES/SFC days..
>>13466510 There's more than one person that thinks you're an idiot.
>>13466533 >>13466533 >Going by your logic, then nobody in the history of the world should ever create a resistance or rebel movement because there will always be more "blood and conflict" when those exist. Except in the fact that IN SHOW people aren't please with Lelouch's actions as Emperor so you're up shit's creek
>>13466549 >None of the conflicts from any of the shows included in Z1/2/3 are exactly the same as in their source material But they are. The conflict in Z2 is exactly like it is in show
> and the existence of alternate routes/outcomes in said games has been happening since the SNES/SFC days.. Except one of them are in expense to a major plot point in the show\, if ZR's was a good thing they wouldn't have a need to remove it
>>13466577 >Actually most of them did have armies at their disposal Not really, most if not all those conflicts were fought with few men on board, they weren't able to give armies free nilly and they sure as fuck weren't given ammunition to blow up mountains either.
>>13466570 >But they are. The conflict in Z2 is exactly like it is in show
Unfortunately, no. Britannia was not the single greatest threat to world peace.
>Except one of them are in expense to a major plot point in the show\, if ZR's was a good thing they wouldn't have a need to remove it
Major plot points are changed all the time. There is no rule indicating that "good things" are never changed. In fact, quite the opposite. What matter is how much that prevents the original story of the game from continuing.
>>13466583 Successful or protracted rebellions often do involve armies that grow in size. "Few men" is an understatement on a historical scale. To say nothing that nature has been severely affected by war, even if not like in the show, because this is fiction.
>>13466587 >Britannia was not the single greatest threat to world peace. It was within the setting also doesn't change anything.
> There is no rule indicating that "good things" are never changed.
Actually there is. The fact that you have a change to change it proves that it wasn't a good thing much like in Z1 where you had an option to choose whether Gladys goes with Durandel's plan or not. Hell the fact that the game goes over why what Lelouch was planning to do was stupid and he should work for the rest of his life to make amends for his actions rather than killing himself is another kick that it wasn't a good outcome.
>>13466600 >They are all pleased with the end result. Yeah because he's gone not like he left a stable environment, he'll be remember as a figure even more vile than Charles , who ironicaly also wanted to do what he though was best for the world.
What does that have to do with anything. Nobody gave a shit about his sacrifice but the people who knew him, everyone else is thankful to be alive.
>>13466595 I like how Tomino was able to shit on his most popular character Char citing that he was a misguided fool who died a failure accomplishing nothing and how his ideals ultimately did more harm than good in the end. Code Geass is shit because it fails to present both arguments in the end, Lelouch only "wins" because everyone is an idiot, Suzaku never gets a chance to present his because of plot contrivance.
>>13466613 Not the SRW setting, which is what you are foolishly choosing to ignore right now.
There isn't any such rule. Otherwise, quote it.
"Good" things change all the time and especially so when that involves a main character originally dying. Tragic endings, suicide attempts or murders of protagonists are often avoided in SRW, long before Z1 and Z2. Lelouch being convinced to not die is not the only instance of such a plot point being altered for SRW-specific reasons.
>>13466675 >Not the SRW setting I'm talking about the setting for the anime dumbfuck which is largely the same
>There isn't any such rule. There's never been a SRW that has changed a good event. You're wasting your time.
>"Good" things change all the time Again, what good things in SRW has changed? Every single change in SRW are always tragic endings and character deaths, the fact that ZR was given an option to change means IT WAS A BAD THING
>Lelouch being convinced to not die is not the only instance of such a plot point being altered for SRW-specific reasons.
>>13466656 >Code Geass is shit because it fails to present both arguments in the end, Lelouch only "wins" because everyone is an idiot, Suzaku never gets a chance to present his because of plot contrivance. Yep, it did a really piss poor job of presenting its themes and ultimately winding up just repeating what was said in the beginning, it does make the whole thing feel pointless in the end especially since none of teh characters were likable.
>>13466656 Char has always remained popular, so it's arguable that Tomino failed at making the audience turn against him. Assuming that's what he wanted. Amuro does provide a counterpoint to Char, but not for that reason. Char had lived and died in the shadow of his dad. He couldn't get over his rivalry with Amuro either.
Char couldn't move on and was stuck in the past to such an extent that he dies while pathetically criticizing Amuro and recalling Lalah. That said, both of them could have survived and avoided a lot of bloodshed if they were more reasonable during the events of CCA, so Amuro wasn't perfectly correct either.
On the other hand, Code Geass has Lelouch overcoming his dad's obsessions as well as his own delusional attachment to a sister, who can now mature and live without him. He pays for his crimes, which is fair enough. Suzaku's role wasn't about presenting an equivalent argument, since the show pointed out he wasn't truly seeking justice but trying to escape and atone from his own father-killing past. That wasn't a healthy route, even if Lelouch had never showed up, and in the end Suzaku can do more for the world as Zero than as a pet of Britannia.
>>13466708 It's not the same. Lelouch has far more people willing to trust, or even help him, because he was the head of a larger organization. Which also means he still needed to work within it in order to face numerous space-based or just outright planet-sized threats.
>There's never been a SRW that has changed a good event. You're wasting your time
In other words, you're full of crap. So am I wasting my time talking to you? Yeah, pretty much.
>Every single change in SRW are always tragic endings and character deaths, the
Those are not the only changes, which proves your statement is nonsense. Yet even deaths aren't bad things. /m/ likes a lot of those tragic endings in older shows, including the ones made by Tomino, that SRW either partially or completely rewrites. It's silly to claim otherwise, since character deaths are not inherently bad.
>It's not even Lelouch's decision its' Ougis
It is, on the other path. Ougi's decision changes everything only at the point where ZR isn't even under discussion.
>>13466760 >Char has always remained popular, so it's arguable that Tomino failed at making the audience turn against him. Most people who like Char like him because he was flawed not because he was right, before the age of Kira Yamato and Kirito you could make your character flawed and he would still be well-recieved.
>He pays for his crimes, which is fair enough He pays for his crimes not through justice but his own whims, that's like saying a bank-robber pays for his crimes by shooting himself in the head. The problem is the show gives a half baked reason for his argument to stand rather than exploring it thoroughly, in any other show he would be wrong so Code Geass feels as if its trying to be different but falls flat.
>Suzaku's role wasn't about presenting an equivalent argument It was or else there would be no point in wasting all that time in R1 showcasing him becoming Knight and Euphie's special area plan in the end it amounted to nothing.
>>13466744 >Yep, it did a really piss poor job of presenting its themes Except the show wasn't about having a moral argument, so you totally missed the theme(s). >and ultimately winding up just repeating what was said in the beginning Even if this were true and not just empty pedantry, coming full circle is a valid storytelling method. > it does make the whole thing feel pointless in the end
>especially since none of teh characters were likable. You love presenting personal opinions as facts.
>>13466805 Doesn't stop people from still taking Char's and Zeon's side in discussions, so that's relative. Even then, that statement goes both ways, since Lelouch is also like him in that people like his flaws too. Likewise, you also have those who side with him and consider that his actions were right, but that isn't the only possibility.
>He pays for his crimes not through justice but his own whims, that's like saying a bank-robber pays for his crimes by shooting himself in the head.
There is no such thing as an universal sense of justice, so you'd be wrong by denying that some people think so in the case of such robbers as well as fictional characters. It sounds like you wanted the show to choose only one kind of "justice" (the one you personally agree with) and literally spell out why that's correct. In other words, you think it's impossible for a character like Lelouch to be right. I disagree, and Code Geass didn't need to pick your version of justice in order to have its choices become valid.
Suzaku presented an obstacle to Lelouch, but the show always made it very clear that they would need to join together. Which means one of them, or both as a matter of fact, would need to compromise. Not Suzaku teaching Lelouch to be a good person despite his own mental trauma and death wish. The Special Zone was there to show how Britannia could easily manipulate Euphemia's good intentions. It wasn't a good thing, but a naive ideal at the service of a colonizing power. Suzaku would let a few Elevens live in peace at the expense of everyone else in the country. Britannia couldn't free all of Japan. All they did was create a nicer ghetto.
>>13466867 >Doesn't stop people from still taking Char's and Zeon's side in discussions And it doesn't stop people from making "did nothing wrong threads" what teh fuck is your point? The narrative is the franchise presents Char and Zeon as being wrong and their actions irredeemable. Saying "some retards who miss the point side with him" misses the point entirely, people side with Kira and Lacus doesn't make them right.
You're full of shit, saying a character pays for his crimes through his own hands isn't ethical period. It just sounds like you like Lelouch and is willing to except any bullshit the show says even if it makes you look like a fucking idiot in the end, please seek help.
It wasn't about Suzaku teaching Lelouch it was about presenting both arguments in a matter that works for the theme which is fails to do.
>. The Special Zone was there to show how Britannia could easily manipulate Euphemia's good intentions.
This never fucking happens since we never actually see what could have become of it nor does the show come up with an argument that supports your fanfiction.
>>13466867 Are you fucking for real? Taking action for your own crimes isn't attoning for them, Lelouch was brought in and sentenced for his crimes he literally killed himself before he was brought into the judicial system. You are fucking wrong.
There was nothing in the show that even suggests that was the case since its never actually given a chance to proper due to Lelouch's bad joke. The point is the show presents both arguments poorly, one for being rushed and just wind up making teh cast looking stupid the other for being poorly developed and not being an option in R2.
>>13466938 >does not use magic or nukes on people afterwards. >use his magic eyes to ascend the throne >uses his magic eye to control and influence Schnezel >uses his magic eye to gain control of a nuke >The world is forever ensnared in a lie that CANNOT BE CHANGED to maintain a false peace.
>>13466902 There is no objective method to determine what is or isn't proper atonement. It's a cultural and philosophical debate. Not everyone agrees with the death penalty in the U.S. or with selectively pardoning those on death row either. The judicial system is not consistent from state to state, let alone case to case. Lelouch didn't need to stand before a judge. No mecha anime ends on that note.
Schneizel praises the plan because it will de-activate the rebellion and Lelouch knew the BK organization would be defeated in that case. He only agreed with Euphemia because of Nunnally, not because the plan was good for Japan. Britannia literally started rounding up Kirihara and the others before the ceremony. Suzaku's path would only be an option in the naive world where Euphemia lived yet the reality of Britannian rule was made extremely clear in both seasons. Protagonists being more powerful or more intelligent is fair game in anime, just like how adults are evil is a common theme in Tomino's shows.
>>13466997 >No mecha anime ends on that note. 0083
> He only agreed with Euphemia because of Nunnally, not because the plan was good for Japan.
Nope he generally sided with her because he loved her, he didn't give a shit about Japan back then or whether it was right or wrong it was fucking up with his plan for revenge.
>Britannia literally started rounding up Kirihara and the others before the ceremony. Yeah the trusting Kirihara who was at odds with Britannia and was in charge of teh fuck ups of the JLF, why wouldn't they be after him?
>Suzaku's path would only be an option in the naive world where Euphemia lived yet the reality of Britannian rule was made extremely clear in both seasons
The fact that he was able to become a knight proved it wasn't naive nor was it far attached from reality but then you're the jackass who agrees with a plan that involved a guy with a magic eye power commanding an army to remove his countries grip on nations as being more realistic .
Except in Tomino shows both sides pay for their arrogance.
>>13467023 >TTGL's epilogue is as relevant as the Destiny Plan in that they're both stupid. But TTG epilogue makes sense its only stupid if you believe Simon would use spiral power to keep Nia alive after all the shit that transpired in the final battle against the Anti-Spiral
Still no examples.
No it says that it was stupid and that Lelouch needs to find another way to attone than the easy way out if you believed in ZR then you are a dumbass.
Except 0083's trials were not based on justice. It was all a cover-up.
Loving her makes it even worse, and part of what I already said, because he never believed the plan was inherently good. He gave a shit about Japan in as much as its freedom was necessary for his rebellion. A fake freedom under a SAZ would hurt both.
So you think everyone should have been happy to live under a system where a simple change of leader can lead to ghetto massacres?
He only became a knight due to Euphemia. Everyone else hated on him. The fact you think a guy who hated himself to death and agreed to serve a colonial power is on the right side of history makes me want to puke.
Tomino shows have plenty of cartoon villains and make children the heroes instead.
>>13467069 Geassfags who can count the number of people affected by the other plans and their permanent effects on free will. Which it seems you can't, since you think Schneizel's freedom is the same value as that of the entire human race.
Not that I want to get into this shitflinging, but I think a lot of people miss the point of Code Geass. It's supposed to be overly melodramatic and theatrical. The more the magic of geass gets involved in the series, the less it becomes attached in reality and more is like the writing of a stage play by someone that REALLY loves hamming it up. I mean, you don't get Jun Fukuyama, the Nicolas Cage of Japan, to the lead role and have him NOT chew scenery. And I don't even mean season 2, this was present as soon as Mao was introduced.
Lelouch does lots of terrible things, Goro admits that. He specifically had FukuJun play him because he believed that Jun has a level of charisma in his manner of speech that could make you side with a person that in any other show would be the bad guy and Suzaku the hero. He's specifically designed in such a just as keikaku way that you want to see him succeed, even if it means the world being potentially torn apart.
I don't know where I'm going with this, and I'm sure shit I said will get greentexted by autists, but overall I guess my message is: just chill the fuck out and watch the show.
>>13467128 >He specifically had FukuJun play him because he believed that Jun has a level of charisma in his manner of speech that could make you side with a person that in any other show would be the bad guy and Suzaku the hero He ended up sounding too old for the role in my opinion. JYB did a way better job.
>>13467100 >Except 0083's trials were not based on justice. Good to see you didn't watched it
>because he never believed the plan was inherently good.
Because it interferred with his plans not because it was a bad plan
> He gave a shit about Japan in as much as its freedom was necessary for his rebellion. He never gave a shit about them which is why he abandoned them two episodes later
>So you think everyone should have been happy to live under a system where a simple change of leader can lead to ghetto massacres? They seemed fine living under a leader who was willing to sacrifice his own kind.
>He only became a knight due to Euphemia. Everyone else hated on him. Wrong on both accounts, he became a knight due to his good standings in the army and knowing Euphiemia, not everyone hated him considering he also received good will from Lloyd and Cecile as well.
> The fact you think a guy who hated himself to death and agreed to serve a colonial power is on the right side of history makes me want to puke.
And the fact that you think a guy who only cared about the well being of his little sister that he was willing to drop a plan by a whim and betrayed his own soliders is just too pathetic for words. You Lelouchfags are worse than Lightfags
>Tomino shows have plenty of cartoon villains and make children the heroes instead.
>>13467190 You are defending selectively applied justice that lets the real conspirators and war crimes go free in 0083 in exchange for burying the truth of the incident.
It wasn't a good plan either. It would be a kinder puppet show where some toys are treated better than others, but they're all expected to obey their Britannian masters.
He abandoned them when Nunnally was put in danger, which would have destroyed the purpose behind his rebellion. Obviously he wasn't going to put them over his sister. That would be heartless.
So you're comparing Zero killing a couple of viceroys to how Britannia treated the entire population of Japanese?
The vast majority of the population did and most Britannians only tolerated him by obligation. The same army you mention was willing to kill him when Euphemia ordered them to kill all the Japanese. His rank was suddenly revealed worthless as well as his connections at that point. Nor did they obey his command to stop the shooting at the stadium (in S1, I will admit he had more power as a Knight of the Round when he stopped the second massacre attempt in R2).
Both of them were rather selfish at their cores yet also had other ideals. It just so happens that Lelouch's made a lot more sense in the eyes of the poor, the discriminated and the oppressed, while Suzaku's relied on trusting the good will of Britannia and endorsing its pro-discrimination and pro-genocide policies. The weak, not the strong, needed Zero. The fact you think Lelouch and Light are the same is rather telling of your own biased ignorance.
You mean the show with Killer The Butcher and the heroes who fought him?
>>13467215 It's not overacting though. It's exactly fitting for the material. You'd need to change the music, character designs, sponsorship, jokes and color palette, among other things, in order to justify changing the acting style. Underacting would be out of place in this show.
I guess the difference is Nicholas Cage is a worse actor than Jun Fukuyama. Jun can sell a lot of scenes, both very over-the-top and very emotional, as well as very silly, while Cage feels flat when he's not screaming. So I think anime voice acting, including that in Code Geass for that matter, isn't as strictly limited in terms of enjoyment value.
>>13467263 And you are defending a person who pay for his crime by staging his own death as amends and going on about THIS IS NOT TRUE JUSTICE. You are the true hypocrite here.
Once again, nice fanfiction. We never got any fruition to state whether it would have been a good plan or not but it would have been starting point,
You're literally saying it's okay because Lelouch did it. You are fucking pathetic.
Didn't even answer the question. I win this.
>The vast majority of the population did They didn't.
> and most Britannians only tolerated him by obligation. And this is e wrong
It was an order from the Princess of Britannia, you think they're gonna stand and ignore that.
Suzaku was out conscience during the whole thing and never gave the order to stop you fucking liar, he went straight to the Lancelot to control teh situation, he was just as confused as everyone.
> It just so happens that Lelouch's made a lot more sense in the eyes of the poor, the discriminated and the oppressed Those same people were also stupid and came into their own situation through their very own greed and then when they suspected him his achievements suddenly didn't matter anymore and they gave him the boot. If you thought the Japanese were suppose to be sympathtic than you missed the point GRAVELY and are once again a blind Lelouchfag defending every action he does. Code Geass was very anti-nationist and the Japanese were protrayed as very dimwitted and worthless through the whole show that they all got defeated by the hand that bit them. Not all Britannians were shown as being racist or even evil, theyw ere the stronger side and he wanted to fix it because he didn't have a magic eye power that can take control of people also before their take over the Japanese were all for discrimination and genocide of Britannians so they fact that you're defending them so much makes you look like a hypocrite.
Who turned people into bombs and an ending that had heroes question themselves?
>>13467325 >EVOL was also extremely silly and had fun with that AN dit was still fucking shit meaning a show being silly doesn't stop it from being bad. >It's only bad if you take it as a super serious show when Okada wasn't trying to be Tell that to the second half.
>>13467390 Unfortunately..I'm not obsessed with trying to live up to any abstract concept of justice. That's your white whale. Which was explicitly contradicted by bringing up 0083 as your example. That show doesn't live up to the standard you're suggesting.
Me? I wasn't asking for that in the first place. I believe phrases like "history is written by the winners" and "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" have been true throughout history. And they will continue to be practically applicable, even when this board disappears into the void.
Killing a powerful oppressor is okay. If Suzaku had killed Emperor Charles, like he eventually tried to do, then that would have been okay too. Killing the suffering masses and rounding up into ghettos, on the other hand, isn't.
You sound just like GWB declaring "Mission Accomplished" back in the day.
Why is it wrong? You never did answer that.
If they really respected Suzaku as a soldier and his relationship to Euphemia, they wouldn't have shot at him.
Suzaku woke up and then asked them to stop. They told him it was Euphemia's order and then shot at him. Man, I think you need something to cure your amnesia, because it's getting worse.
If you really think the unarmed masses are that terrible and entirely deserving of their oppression, then not even S1 Suzaku would agree with you.
You're foolishly confusing the Japanese politicians and old guard military with the common folk. The series criticizes the previous ruling class, but uses victim cards with the regular Japanese. You can't really consider them all "worthless" unless you are, in fact, a supporter of their oppression.
Are you from the U.S. I wonder? Do you vote Republican by any chance? Or your local non-U.S. equivalent.
The human bombs were traumatic, yet didn't make him any less super evil. The tragedy of the ending didn't make them any less heroic either.
>>13461806 I agree. Every character felt like a caricature or like a puppet being jerked around on strings by the storytellers (although I often think my standards for well written characters are too high...but anyway, did not personally enjoy it, and did not like the artstyle enough to have that make up for it. The music was really good though, I will give it that.)
>>13467551 >but not against Japanese people who had no participation in that movement. >Lelouch's whole rant in the Refrain episode >The fact that the BK become worthless fodder after they bit the hand that fed them >Lelouch blowing up Mt. Fuji
>>13467525 >was explicitly contradicted by bringing up 0083 as your example Wrong again and you'll continue to be wrong until you actually watch the show.
>I believe phrases like "history is written by the winners" and "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" have been true throughout history. So you believe in pure fantasy that's not applicable at all to reality, I can see why you would agree with a character like Lelouch.
>Killing a powerful oppressor is okay. So murder is fineas long as Lelouch does it? Gotcha
>If they really respected Suzaku as a soldier and his relationship to Euphemia, they wouldn't have shot at him. This never happened.
>Suzaku woke up and then asked them to stop. They told him it was Euphemia's order and then shot at him And neither did this
>If you really think the unarmed masses are that terrible and entirely deserving of their oppression Even your precious Lelouch criticized them.
>You're foolishly confusing the Japanese politicians and old guard military with the common folk. The series criticizes the previous ruling class, but uses victim cards with the regular Japanese. You can't really consider them all "worthless" unless you are, in fact, a supporter of their oppression.
Wrong on both accounts, Code Geass was very ant-nationalist and paid no expense to mock both sides. The back story of the show explains that Japan got into the situation themselves and it was not afraid to make them look like idiots in the end, but considering how desperate you are to defend your favorite character in his actions its no surprise that you missed that detail
>>13467836 If I had a dollar for every single character in anime who is a puppet being jerked around by strings, I'd buy this whole place in an instant. Shows where that DOESN'T happen are few and far between.
>>13467899 Lelouch's rant threw off someone who was suspicious of him. He denies doing anything about the situation, which is a lie. Plus Refrain victims, unlike dealers, weren't portrayed as bad people. As for biting the hand, Lelouch was aware that he deserved it. Finally, blowing up Mt. Fuji makes Lelouch look more evil and destroys a lot of sakuradite. Okouchi wasn't saying that Japan as a whole is bad, and especially when his other shows come up.
>>13468215 >Lelouch's rant threw off someone who was suspicious of him. He denies doing anything about the situation, which is a lie. Wrong on both accounts
>Plus Refrain victims, unlike dealers, weren't portrayed as bad people R2 episode 7
>As for biting the hand, Lelouch was aware that he deserved it. Nope, at that point he was suicidal and didn't care, what the BK did was stupid as shit that even Sumeragi saw where they fucked up. You really are adadment about defending all his actions are you?
>Finally, blowing up Mt. Fuji makes Lelouch look more evil and destroys a lot of sakuradite. Destroying Japan's most precious landmark...gee I wonder what's the subtext here
>Okouchi wasn't saying that Japan as a whole is bad, and especially when his other shows come up. That's exactly what he was doing because by the end of the story none of the Japanese look good. This anti-nationalist subtext appear in all his shows
>>13468132 Knowing, you, I guess Jamitov and Bask were surely on the side of justice and totally not co-responsible for letting Delaz get too fucking close to drop a colony on the Earth before ineffectively turning Cima against him and therefore causing needless damage to both the planet as well as the Federation's fleet.
>So you believe in pure fantasy that's not applicable at all to reality,
Except that both phrases are, in fact, regularly applied to reality by all manner of analysts, including people who have never seen a Japanese cartoon in their lives. Only an uneducated person like yourself would dare to believe winners don't write history, or that terrorists and resistance/freedom fighters aren't simply politically convenient labels that can be easily swapped depending on who someone needs to root for, all the way back to the 19th century with the French Revolution to the Middle East wars of this era.
Since you insist on being deaf, I've already said it goes beyond Lelouch. Even Xingke was right to kill the eunuchs. But apparently genocide, social darwinism and racial discrimination are totally okay in your book. What a filthy excuse for a human.
Except all of that happened. Here, have a screenshot where Suzaku literally tells the retarded Britannians to cease-fire at the stadium post-Euphienator in episode 22. Too bad about the capture quality, but you don't deserve any better.
Lelouch never said what you've spouted out.
>Code Geass was very ant-nationalist and paid no expense to mock both sides. You must be blind, since this is not under dispute.
The show criticizes Suzaku's dad and his other military and political allies. It would be fucking moronic if the show blamed even unborn Japanese people, including those without any power for the decisions of their elders.
The fact you can't even admit your political affiliation suggests my guess was on the mark.
>>13468260 >Lelouch's rant threw off someone who was suspicious of him. He denies doing anything about the situation, which is a lie. >Wrong on both accounts
Here's another crappy screenshot that shits on your lie.
>R2 episode 7 Those people were working for a Refrain dealer, you imbecile. Not taking it themselves.
>Nope Again with your nonsense, since now you're the one who is unintentionally making Lelouch into a saint who did nothing wrong and never realized it either, just for the sake of your utterly contrarian nature.
>Destroying Japan's most precious landmark...gee I wonder what's the subtext here
Glad to see you will always ignore the text itself then.
>That's exactly what he was doing Nationalism is bad = Japan is bad?
>This anti-nationalist subtext appear in all his shows Explain Guilty Crown and Valvrave.
>all the way back to the 19th century with the French Revolution to the Middle East wars of this era.
Yep you're definitely an idiot.
So its okay to kill if a character you like does it but not okay if a character you don't does it? Gotcha
>Watch the scene >nobody fires back like you said >He goes straight to the Lancelot Okay. Also the royal family has higher authority over knights so I don't know why you're using that scene as merit of anything
Yes he did.
> It would be fucking moronic if the show blamed even unborn Japanese people, including those without any power for the decisions of their elders.
And yet here you are saying all Britanians are scum and Suzaku is wrong for supporting them because apparently all Britanians are genocide loving nobles and Japan did nuthing wrong in your retarded logic
>>13468514 You're certainly one to talk of strawmen, since that's one of your favorite tactics. And, of course, you didn't answer the point.
Yep, you're really olympically evading any argument and going straight to your pattern.
Once again, you're being exceptionally dim. It has nothing to do with WHO is doing the killing but with WHO is actually killed. It's remarkable that you can't fucking get it.
>>nobody fires back like you said >>He goes straight to the Lancelot
But they do and he doesn't. He first meets with this very, very rude soldier who is piloting a KMF and shoots at him. It's so easy to catch your lies when the truth is publicly available on tape.
>Okay. Also the royal family has higher authority over knights so I don't know why you're using that scene as merit of anything
He is Euphemia's knight, a Honorary Britannian and part of the Britannian military. If nothing else, at least they shouldn't shoot at him. But they do, because they're trigger-happy as fuck.
>And yet here you are saying all Britanians are scum
Bullshit. This isn't about regular Britannian civilians. The sucm, as you call it, would be their military occupation forces that repress all dissent with brutal tactics and the leaders of a political system which imposes discrimination. Suzaku is wrong for supporting said leaders and said system, not for having Britannian friends at a school.
The Japanese leadership did plenty of things wrong, but once again you completely fail to properly understand an argument and stupidly pretend there is no distinction between a population and its leaders.
Again, your silence is telling.
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