This looks more and more like something out of Soul Calibur by the minute.
Which makes the question, Symphogear Game when?
The relevant link list:
-Songs, CD/BD releases, lyrics and general information: http://pastebin.com/EeTkSpKa
-Hibiki Radio Station: http://hibiki-radio.jp/description/symphogear-gx
-Main S3 site: http://www.symphogear-gx.com/
[Commie] - https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=739337
[HS] - http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=737864
[H&D] - http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=748088
- First BD Volume
[RAW] - https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=743190
GX OST (From BD Vol2):
LOSSLESS - -----
LOSSY - https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=749737
Believing in Justice and Holding Determination to Fist. Let it burn into your very Soul.
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>This looks more and more like something out of Soul Calibur by the minute.
Not enough pay-to-play 1P only fighting game with paid DLC.
>Transcending history, and the world, a tale of souls and relics, eternally retold.
We've had tons of talks on Sympho-Brawlers and Sympho-Fighters, but how would a
Symphogear Kart racerwork?
Chris kinda looks like some Fukumoto character.
OK, I -Completely- forgot about that in the last second even to I was about to make a post about the last pic in the previous thread.. Sorry
There is only one way to atone for your sin.
Still not Miku's birthday over here, but I'm gonna leave them like this for tonight.
Hibiki's only looking at the camera for the picture. She turned to look at Miku the moment we were done.
B-But Hibiki forgiving topdad and forcing her mother to be back with that wonderful person was cool.
Hey, hey, hey.
This was the last time.
>You will never exist in the same universe as Chris
>Implying riding that rocket to punch that Tapir noise with Wild Arms whistling in the background wasn't cool
>Implying destroying Carol's womb wasn't cool
It was shit, Carol was all but unscathed and the fact that the song was about top dad ruined the entire scene.
Now that I watch this scen again, it's fucking shit. Even without the topdad thing why Carol's 4 magical barriers were destroyed after the first one was destroyed? The animation is also shit. Carol's first fight and Miku's rescue are in different leagues, like if they were from different shows.
Man, I really didn't appreciate it as much the first time through, but Mikugeah really was one of (if not the) best fights in the series, both by choreography and animation as well as the emotional weight of everything that was happening. I don't know how it could be done without making it a complete rehash but I'd love to see Miku somehow become a temporary antagonist again.
Or if not Miku someone else to Hibiki like, say, Topdad, except make him a temporary antagonist by means of only temporarily being alive
The only thing that would need to change is to have it be of her own will this time.
It could be the plot for the final season.
That's what I meant, I guess I didn't word it well. He becomes a temporary antagonist by becoming temporary himself.
>Stroganettes in some three-part relic as temporary antagonists
>Dear friends, want to avoid killing them at all costs
>hesitation gets Elf9, Genjuuro, or one of the bridge bunnies killed
>Full relics make them so strong the girls have to go all out to stop them
>manage to stop them but Andou dies in the process
As long as it was her own will by method of going full yandere or overprotective, like her motives in SSJ, rather than "Surprise bitch I was actually a demon the whole time," I could be behind that. I'm just not sure how they'd avoid making it a thematic retread of SSJ.
I'm not going through another TTGL.
Done birthday dumping, Mikugear will not be topped until they put in a villain that is more than a befriending target to reaffirm Hibiki's naive ideals.
>I will never be Chris and be taken by a sword
>bedridden in a hospital for literally half the season
I will never forget GX, if just because of how much they let it down.
The only way to recover is to have
pure evil male geahs/ridersvoiced by Shu Watanabe and Ryosuke Miura.
Meanwhile, Maria the gear who seemed to get the most physically fucked up in the entire season was never in a hospital at all. Hell she recovered from a Jam Face two scenes later.
Gib me your craziest S4 villain speculah
Feel free to rip off vidya and other anime. I wanna hear your ideas
TTGL with Miku instead of Nia, marriage included but without disappearance.
>implying that would stop them from being forgiven and saved
>implying Eiji wouldn't get along with Hibiki
then again if he gives into desire then his "save the world" philosophy might conflict with Hibiki's "save whoever is in front of me I don't care how scumbag they may or may not be or what irreversible crimes they caused CAROL"
The disappearance didn't even make sense in TTGL. Nia was biologically spiral, but had anti-spiral genes because of reasons, and this somehow made her disappear because she was part of the hivemind, despite the fact that she thought, moved and acted completely independent of them. Miku custodian could be great as long as there isn't a shitty director trying to shoehorn in a message about selflessness that is predicated on events happening that don't make sense in canon.
One of the few times the /a/ thread wasn't terrible. Implausible, but fun speculah.
Why is it always a trio of classmates.
Chris has three and Hibiki has three too.
>Cu has a one-on-one spellcasting duel with Medea Lily and wins
Today is a good day.
Tsubasa has motorcycles.
At the end of each race, anytime she's hit by a powerup, and anytime she goes off the track, she leaps off and lets it careen away and smash into the scenery.
>awkward and painful
Maria in a nutshell.
That would be beyond awesome.
Neither the Hibiki nor the Gears would care to save such a group because they are
Male. Such is life in the animes of these times.
It's quite sad really.
>the girl with the biggest breasts
Smaller torso, etc.
No, I know what I said. It's unforgettable, in that it betrayed itself.
>implying it wouldn't be
Genjuro manning them up, if they survived at all
I know it sounds faggy, but I'd imagine it as a kind of
Felix and Locus dependent relationship from Red vs Blue. At least one of them has to be irredeemably evil. We rarely get those types in media anymore. Hell, the three main antagonists of Symphogear have ALL been redeemed.
>like felix and locus
It'd be interesting to have the "big bad" of a season be a tag-team of two (or more) villains. That way we could still save/befriend one, but have another left over to be a complete twatwaffle who has to be killed.
>pure evil male geahs/riders
How did you manage to come up with an idea worse then GX?
If they are pure evil they run the risk of being even more dull and less compelling then Carol or Ver in G. and the only reason why Ver worked was because of his dynamic with the rest of FIS.
The HAM that both voice actors brought to the characters did also go a long way, but there is only so much a voice actor can do.
M: Hey... Hibiki
M: As I thought... Because of the fights with Alca Noise and Auto Scorers, you're full of fresh wounds again
H: Eh? They aren't hurt at all so I didn't notice...
M: If you feel okay then it's fine, Hibiki, but...
H: You're always such a worrywart, Miku
H: I'm fine, totally fine!
H: Even though you might call me an idiot for saying this
H: It's because you're here worrying about me that I can come back with such small wounds, Miku
H: Whenever I think about how with these small wounds, I'm protecting a much bigger warmth, I feel really happy
M: You got an eyelash here
H: Fuee, I just am not cool, huh
M: Stupid... Don't overdo yourself...
H: Yeah, I know
M: ...Somehow, today's Hibiki
M: feels a bit like... a spoiled kid
H: Hey, Miku
H: Can I say something weird...?
M: Aren't you always doing and saying weird things, Hibiki?
H: It's like a request that I can only ask of you, Miku...
M: What is it?
H: Miku, is it okay
H: if I bite you...?
M: I didn't know you had that kind of fetish, Hibiki...!!
H: Fe-fe-fe-fetish!? That's not what I...
M: Because surely, I'm the only one who can accept this weird you, Hibiki
>If there's anyone that can be Ver-tier, it's those two.
Sure they could do a good job of acting it but the script itself would be more shit then GX, because Carol was supposed to be the unsaveable villain and look what we ended up with. You want that again but with less redeeming qualities.Carol was cute and all but her Kieku was boring and she was ultimately about as shallow as Elf9. Now Elf9 might have been cuteness incarnate but there was nothing beyond that, Carol was ultimately just as one dimensional.
Those two never got development because of the show trying to do too much. You're whole argument hinges of the writing being as bad or worse than GX.
>You want that again but with less redeeming qualities.
Redeeming as in the jesus shit they always pull. Villains can be entertaining and deep without always being "oh, I'm actually the good guy but was strayed off the path". Their "redeeming" factors would be them being entertaining, but not being morally redeemable.
>Maximum file size
H: And because of that, you're the weirdest one... Miku...
M: I can't help but feel happy
M: Hibiki, who loves to run around helping other people, is showing me and only to me a side of her that no one else knows about...
M: What is this called again?
The idea of a
Ska-singingmale Geah enemy isn't a bad one, just that going farther down the deep end and deliberately trying to make them evil is bad because if they're saved it becomes stupid due to being completely evil and if they aren't it exposes the assholery of the main cast when they save all the antagonists, even the ones who we see massive amounts of pain and destruction caused directly by their actions CAROLbut then don't save other ones. After GX, something like that is almost assuredly a no-win scenario unless it actually ties in with the plot and leads to Hibiki FINALLY growing and fixing that part of her morality to be more practical.
Next season would probably have potential were it to be other well-intentioned enemies who are more the "sacrifice one to save ten" mentaility and accuse Hibiki and SONG of missing the forest for the trees. The only issue there is how do you get a conflict going on? There are ways, but the ones I can think of would be things that wouldn't structure themselves well for a show like Symphogear, or would be inconsistent with the actions the characters have taken so far.
C: That's what you guys' relationship feels like
C: That time when you wore Shenshoujing and in this Ignite Module case, too
C: You guys both protect and are protected by each other, an absolute mutual trust that can't be easily detroyed by outsiders. You know, what they often call "More than friends, less than lovers"? Or something close to that
C: For example... What would happen if even though you didn't think so, that idiot misunderstood and believed that she'd hurt you in some way?
C: Things would get ugly real fast, no?
C: The other way around, too
C: From my point of view, that kind of relationship
C: is like a double-edged sword
C: If like you guys, people could care about someone, be cared for by someone and protect those close to them, maybe we could have got rid of all the fighting in the world
M: You're so kind, Chris
C: That's nothing!
C: Moreover, just how long does that idiot plan to make us wait!?
M: "My supplementary class is still not over" she said...
M: Is that it...?
H: I'm home! Miku
M: Welcome home, good work on your mission
M: You got some new fresh wounds again
H: Really? You sure are quick to notice these things
M: And you stink of sweat
H: Le-le-le-le-le-le-le-le Let's take a bath!!
M: Okay, put your hands up, hands up
H: Miku, that's...
H: Did I...?
H: Why... did I hurt Miku...?!
C: For example... What would happen if even though you didn't think so, that idiot misunderstood and believed that she'd hurt you in some way?
M: Hibiki, I never think even for a second about this as you hurting me
H: But...! At that time, I didn't think about anything and... Just on impulse alone! Without any reason...!
M: Who cares about reasons! Your impulse, everything about you, I'll accept them all, Hibiki
That's what happens when you only bring mobile suits and getters.
H: But... Miku, even now I'm about to let myself take advantage of you, of your kindness...!
H: Not being able to restrain my own impulse... That kind of weakness...! I don't want to see it...
M: You're not weak, Hibiki
M: You don't have to restrain that impulse either
M: It's fine if you want to take advantage of me...
M: Still, if you can't help but blame yourself whenever you look at me and recall
M: That unrestrained impulse
M: Then all you need to do is to unleash it on a place no one can find
H: What do...
M: This is not codependency
M: Using Hibiki's impulse
M: It's my desire to monopolize her
Typsetter, please. http://pastebin.com/FJFHexFj
Ideas for how to get the two sides fighting if they have the same goal but alternate methods.
Let's assume Noise attacks are what they're dealing with, or at least something similar.
First idea is that the Gears would try and reduce stray attacks while the antagonists would prioritize killing Noise quickly, even if it causes collateral. Which is kind of inconsistent since very rarely have the Gears made an effort to protect civilians over killing Noise unless they're untransformed. The only times I can think of it happening would be when Chris saved Topdad in GX11 and Kanade protecting Hibiki at the cost of taking a hit. Fact is that in the Hero genre, fight scenes are always conveniently empty or if they aren't they're quickly emptied because people aren't stupid and they run away from that stuff.
The second would involve more political basis and conflicts that aren't simple fights, things like government wondering which organization they should fund which leads to them competing over that. Whatever the case, the option that is most in-character involves lots of talky bits and that's not really good for an action show.
Or they could just do the Kabuto route where both sides say, "I'm better than you, this kill is mine. If you don't back off I'll kick your ass WHILE kicking the monster's ass" but it isn't really the kind of thing I imagine would fit with Symphogear.
I'm sure there are more options but those were the first three I thought of.
Why not just "And here are our American-made male Symphogears! Japan, hand over all of your relic technology, since you obviously always get your asses kicked."
America's been mostly an antagonist since season 1, after all. Every time they show up, they're evil men in suits with guns.
There's nothing wrong with a pure evil villain as long as they actually evil. Pretending they're pure evil while also forcing in some "Look! They're good underneath! Feel bad!" and a redemption plot is fucking garbage, and that was the theme of GX.
>if they're saved it becomes stupid due to being completely evil
Then you best be prepared to brace yourself because even Carol was saved in some stupid capacity. Also with your notion of 'well intentioned enemies' being unable to start conflict G started with the nonsense about FIS taking over the world, instead of even just telling everyone to stay out of their way and let them operate or be annihilated. All they'd need is to take insperation from Pearl Harbor because that was the kinda cold logic needed to start a war.
Your right there isn't but I have no faith in the way that Symphogear would handle it, After all Fine was pretty much pure evil and she still got redeemed, and she was more 'purely evil' person then Carol. And I don't trust Kaneko to be able to fully commit to it. Plus if you hadn't notice redemption is one of the key themes of Symphogear, so wanting pure evil is insuring the inevitable redemption will be shit.
>Plus if you hadn't notice redemption is one of the key themes of Symphogear
Ver was only redeemed after they got another season. The original plan was to not redeem him. Just do that again, but kill them so they can't be redeemed.
>Start the series with some flashbacks hinting at potential characterization and development
>Character songs indicate some thought was being put into it
>Drop that and make her an evil bitch
>"Well she's competent, so it's exciting! "
>Literally everything that happens is keikaku, and tension is gone
>"At least the finale might be cool! "
>Shit animation, choreography, and fights in general are lackluster and rely on basically saying "this is epic!" instead of genuinely being exciting
>"This isn't what papa wanted!"
>"I can't remember why I'm fighting! Muh revenge! "
>Cue father speech from topdad
>Crying loli, then forgiveness
How did GX manage to be so amazingly horrible?
Because that wheels it back to the whole no-win scenario of making them evil, since Kaneko certainly isn't going to be mending Hibiki's flawed ideals. That'd require putting her through the wringer.
Now if the Gears themselves are on the side of JUSTICE and the other Gears aren't the main antagonists (due to some bigger threat going on) then it makes an alternate team sort of akin to a Secondary Rider which usually start off fighting against the Main a lot, so perhaps that would work, but it'd also require juggling even more characters/plot points in a single season.
It's like the inverse of Kamen Rider Wizard: it tried to do WAAAAAY too much. Remember when the Ingite module was dangerous and had the possibility of giving us Berserk Tsubasa and Chris? Remember how the next like three episodes were the other characters getting it down in a fucking day?
>I have no faith in the way that Symphogear would handle it
Well that's a different story, and I can't argue with you on that.
>redemption is one of the key themes of Symphogear
It started out great with Chris, meh with Fine, felt lazy with FIS, and was downright shit with Carol.
>Remember when the Ingite module was dangerous and had the possibility of giving us Berserk Tsubasa and Chris?
Remember when we were speculating that Genjuro was going to do something and potentially die, this forcing the idea that actions towards your loved ones are not important than arbitrary blood relations, and that Hibiki might pull her head out of her fucking ass?
Remember when we had episodes that weren't cookie cutter formulas designed to shill ignite sings in order, that completely ignored character interactions necessary for development?
To be fair, we did get swimsuit gears. Which is pretty hot.
Nice, but not enough to make up for all the shit
Ver himself was great, as was his death scene. The problem was that his irredeemable nature never became a plot point, and never allowed Hibiki to grow and learn that her idealism was stupid and clashed with reality. They basically swept it under the rug, and no one learned anything.
The IGNITE module was cool when it was introduced in episode 6 but it's execution is probably the second worst thing about GX.
Seriously, just imagine if it was actually treated like the risky, absolute last resort it was introduced as instead of having everyone master it in a day and the dynamics of the entire show change drastically.
>Just do that again, but kill them so they can't be redeemed.
It should be noted that the Gears never really fought with Ver they were all to busy to engage with him, that's why he didn't get redeemed in G. If the Gears really faced off with him, he would have apologized like Fine or made his Heroic sacrifice earlier.
Just looking at Albedo and Rubedo modes makes it pretty clear how badly done Ignite was in the end. I mean, why bother having all these thematically named stages if they're just barely distinguishable powerups that do nothing particularly interesting? Pretty sure the original intent was to do much more with it, but there was just no time after the second half's rewrite and all the cool stuff was lost.
Because the CIA knew how to make the best idle.
>Berserk Hibiki wanted to rip him apart but Tsubasa and Chris stopped her.
Berserker Hibiki was berserk at the moment so that stopped it from being a real conflict between them. And as you mentioned she was stopped by Tsubasa and Chris.
>Remember when the Ingite module was dangerous and had the possibility of giving us Berserk Tsubasa and Chris?
they really should have kept ignite for the O3. Save the FIS getting it for S4. That way they can actually do something while fighting carol
Miku's a modest girl, you fool.
>the redemption that shits on all the themes the show has built up to that point is somehow not the worst
I already said it one time here I think, but when I watched the subs for episode 6 I was a bit afraid of them using the Valvrave plot for the Ignite module. After watching the second part I would have prefered the Valvrave plot.
Literally nothing is worse than topdad. Not only did he rape Miku and Genjuro of everything, but he's now a permanent fixture in the cast.
If he shows up in an OVA I'm going to swim to Japan to punch Kaneko.
>atoning for past mistakes
>fixing problems by talking and being honest
I dunno, it seems pretty consistent with the themes to me.
Why don't the character who need linker just carry an injector of it at all times? That thing seems small enough you could keep it in a purse or bag and whip it out in case of unexpected combat.
Then just say you hate it and don't try to say it's completely against the overarching themes of the show.
Carol's redemption is way worse to me, but it didn't surprise me because Symphogear is just the kind of show that forgives anyone with a name no matter what they did because, like, "who cares about all these faceless people getting killed?"
And Carol's actions are objectively and quantifiably worse than anything Topdad ever did.
>Wingwolf and Red riding hooded cat
>"You can go ahead and eat me, wolf-san."
Because of Dr Ver, because they sobered up in prison, and maybe because Kanade's jam sessions were limited to her activating Gungnir for the first time and using her Super Song and she would have been exactly as capable as the FIS are now if it wasn't for the concert.
Also she wasn't using Linker when she Zesshou'd at the concert so her compatibility would've been extra low, making it put way more strain on her than usual.
So I guess the answer is that Kanade's linker didn't kill her
And more importantly, Super Nana Man.
>episode 5 car chase
>boxes they were probably going to put details on but never bothered
>S2 agents bailing out of a car by clipping through it
Wow that's astoundingly lazy, Satellite. Admittedly it happens so fast I wouldn't notice it if I didn't pause it. I guess they saved all the budget for Hibiki's fight later in the episode, I can't really argue against that.
Blind forgiveness was never a theme of the show. They always reached out to people and tried to communicate to understand them. THAT was the theme of the show. Unconditional forgiveness is literally the most juvenile idea you can put into a story, and the childish wish fulfillment Kaneko had going on with his dead father bled through in GX. In season one, Chris was forgiven by the other characters after they spent the entire show trying to understand why she was fighting. Once they'd reached out to her and communicated (the real theme), she slowly became one of their allies and they forgave her. Even after they forgave her because they were able to understand her horrible circumstances and reason for fighting, she didn't forgive herself. That was a theme that was focused on throughout G as well. "When is it ok for me to allow myself to live a normal life given the mistakes that I've made in the past that hurt other people?" In G, FIS weren't nearly as well developed as Chris was, but it was still the same idea. They presented as enemies, we learned they had their own reasons for being on that path (and that they were manipulated as children as well) and their road to forgiveness had them realize what they were doing was wrong and then work to correct it. Topdad was a fully grown and (supposedly) mature adult who'd already undertaken the responsibility of having a family. There was no grey area with him or complex motivations or reasoning to understand, it was cut and dry. "I'm a bag of shit and I'm going to run away instead of standing by my family while they face a problem that is in no conceivable way anything they brought upon themselves." He completely shit all over the theme of forgiveness, and utterly raped any sense of weight the series had behind those emotions for future installments. If they're willing to give it away to literally anyone, why the fuck should I care?
>atoning for past mistakes
When did he atone? He never apologize, he never reflected, and he never did anything to recompense. I really hope you don't fucking think the Little Miracle scene is atonement. They pulled some contrived battle situation he shouldn't even have been a part of out of there asses, then had him "give Hibiki something" in the most hamfisted and clumsy way a story could possibly introduce an idea. Hibiki and Carol became completely retarded and start fumbling over their own feet just so that Kaneko could have an excuse to shove that bag of shit onto the battlefield and say "Look! He's risking his life selflessly so it was ok!" The entire thing was paper thin, and there wasn't a shred of remorse or actual atonement. Compare this to Chris, who after realizing she was hurting the people she wanted to save turned around and tried to do things correctly and save more lives than she destroyed, or FIS, who faced punishment for their misguided (but still good-willed) actions head on and then tried to be productive afterwards, and where are we left with topdad? He did something more despicable than all of them and the story never even once pretended to make him atone for it. One asspull fight scene and suddenly Hibiki is jogging by the beach with him, high-fiving while yelling "heiki hecchara!" and bringing him home to her poor mother's dismay.
>fixing problems by talking and being honest
In what fucking world did this happen? Every conversation she had with him amounted to nothing, and his "honesty" boiled down to him claiming he had pride as a man, so he couldn't apologize or take steps to fix his family. I'm not even going to entertain this ridiculous notion farther than this.
Again, what courage? When did he attain it? He was a complete scumbag who spent years running away from reality, and then suddenly a character song kicks in and he's risking his life for her? He didn't attain courage, it fell out of Kaneko's ass and landed on his head. Tsubasa attained the courage to try and live her life without the person most important to her by her side. She went through hardships and trials and gained new comrades and eventually realized that although it was hard, she had to keep living because there were still things left for her in the world. Maria had to attain the courage to pick her ass up off the floor and out of the fetal position, and to actually become useful. This was difficult for her, because she didn't know how to be useful and accomplish her goals. Her feelings of helplessness were exacerbated by Ver (and to a lesser extent, Mamu) who essentially took control of her actions away from her and decided everything for her. This ended with blood on her hands, but at the end of everything, she found the courage to own up for her mistakes, and to help people the way she wanted to. Topdad started off by drinking, beating his family, running away from fucking children who he was asked to escort away from danger, telling his daughter it was too hard to apologize (mind you, even at the end he never said it) and then I'm supposed to believe that in a single scene he pulled a 180 and found a heart made of shining gold courage because the plot literally bent over backwards to hand him redemption on a silver platter? "Here you go topdad, just do this one totally dangerous thing that doesn't have a 0% chance of actually hurting you, we'll play a shitty montage, and then everything will be heiki hecchara."
And this is the theme that he raped, killed and then raped again the hardest. From the very start of the series we were introduced the idea that the characters didn't all have perfect families, and most of their families weren't the typical "standard" family unit. Hibiki had her mother and grandmother who worked themselves to the bone to support her, and then she had her sunshine. Miku was an unwavering beacon of support for Hibiki and was the only thing that kept her somewhat grounded in reality for more of the series. Hibiki is so fucking useless without Miku that she couldn't figure out "Fighting people doesn't mean I hate them and want to kill them, but rather, it means that I want to stop them from hurting others or doing something they'll regret and that I want to calm them down so I can reach them with my words." Despite all of her experiences lending themselves towards this she was completely unable to realize it without Miku there to hold her and and spell it out for her. Next up is Tsubasa. Her biological father didn't care for her at all, and then the one person she found comfort in died in her arms. She had to learn to share share misery and joy with people she either hated (Hibiki) or people she thought hated her (her "father"). Her adoptive father had his wife NTR'd by his own asshole father, and it's understandable that he'd have mixed feeling about the kid. Despite this, everything he did was with her best interest at heart, and by the end of GX they reached an understanding and he's continuing to support her chasing her dreams, but now he openly supports her and they're pushing through all that shit together.
As for Chris, her parents were kind-hearted people who were murdered in cold blood by the very people they were trying to help. After their deaths, Chris grew up alone and cold until she was picked up by Fine who gave her a sense of belonging and used her twisted love to distort Chris's desire to end war into a war machine to further Fine's selfish goals. Chris was then picked up by Genjuro, who went to the ends of the Earth to help that poor and lonely girl. His very existence was one of the most powerful messages in the show, and he is literally the antithesis of everything that topdad is. He introduced the ideas of what it meant to be an adult, what growing up was like, what it meant to take responsibility and how you should take it. He solidified the ideas that actions were more important than blood ties you don't have any control over. He became a real father to Chris, and a mentor/father for Hibiki, and despite not being perfect, he always tried his best to show them love, support and guidance. What did topdad do? He got priority over fucking everything to the point that Genjuro and Miku had no presence by the end of the series. 2 of the most important characters thematically were erased, and for what, what did he do to "share burdens" like you claim. The closest they came to that was that horrible flashback scene where Hibiki remembered how the magic words alwas helped her. What that scene didn't show was how those words were actually a crutch after he ran away, and how she used them to run away from and deny reality. "Hibiki, you need to face the world and grow up. You can't live in your delusional ideal dream anymore!" "Nope, everything is heiki hecchara!" Not only did topdad not share her burden, but he actively hindered her from facing it at all.
Your assertion that topdad was consistent with the show's themes is fucking retarded. He didn't just not support them, he shit all over them and tried his hardest to ruin the series entirely, and he's still fucking here for all future iterations. The only kinds of people that thought he was a good idea were Kaneko and Zoid who are actually projecting family issues onto the story and getting their happy family vicariously through Hibiki. "They said heiki hecchara and she forgave him! Look how happy this complete family is!" That's some of the worst story telling I've seen in my life. I really hope you're not fucking stupid enough to think any of that was thematically appropriate.
How long did it take you to write all of this?
It's probably about as likely as the Autoscorers coming back.
Micha doing so with normal hands.
I made myself sad
Well, I meant DMJii sharing a cover seems likely
Which by extension leaves an extra BD cover and since Miku (regrettably) wasn't much of an important character this time around, the most likely fill-in would be Carol. Whether or not the Autoscorers are with her is more up for grabs.
inb4 topdad bd6 cover with a special topdad/bikki duet instead of stroganoff on the bonus cd
>got stuck there during morning cunnilingus
Does that mean it's a pube? I mean I would have for sure thought Miku would keep clean down there in case of random cunnilingus with Bikki, but how the hell would hair from her head get all the way down there?
You never know, Hibiki might be a fan of jungle exploration.
It's clear that any further discussion won't really amount to much, especially since I don't particularly mind. It's clear that you care about Topdad more than anyone else in the room.
Just suffice to say that it kinda depends on what you take out of the scenes. If you assume that GX was supposed to be the end, yeah, it kinda sucks. I would argue nowhere near as badly as Carol's redemption, still, since that one is kinda everything you just said but worse. If you think of it as the beginning of his attempt to redemption, it's an easier pill to swallow.
Just because he ain't a shining beacon of morality doesn't mean he can't display the themes. Just that he shows them in different ways. He's much like Hibiki in that in order for him to start making legitimate steps towards self-improvement, he needs someone to have his back - in this case, it's Hibiki. If you want your non-standard family unit so badly, there you go.
The question is what do you do with it now that it's happened? Do you make it a small subplot in the next season to try and clarify things or make Topdad more likable? Do you push it into the background and say, "Yeah, things are working out but that plot isn't really interesting so we'll just ignore it"? Or do you backpedal and make it entirely pointless?
Also he didn't get nearly as much screentime as you said he did. If anyone stole screentime from Genjuro, it was Elfnein.
Topdad fags eternally btfo
You know what I meant.
I meant turn down sex, in case you actually didn't. Orgasm denial I can see being a thing as part of their sub/dom relationship, but outside of extenuating circumstances I can't see Miku ever saying "No" to Hibiki requesting sex.
It's only a matter of time before Miku finds her diddling herself in some form and asks if she wants help. Hibiki won't say no to her sunshine, and the sunshine won't say no to her sun.
>Just suffice to say that it kinda depends on what you take out of the scenes.
That's a really convenient way to say you're going to ignore what the series was built on from the start, and that you'll just spin some head canon.
> If you assume that GX was supposed to be the end, yeah, it kinda sucks.
But there isn't anything else planned, and this is the conclusion to the G chapter. It IS the end.
>I would argue nowhere near as badly as Carol's redemption
Carol was a shitty villain that had her own self contained story. Topdad was introduced as a concept from the start, and actively shit all over the interactions that happened between the main cast. He's also in the story for good.
>If you think of it as the beginning of his attempt to redemption, it's an easier pill to swallow.
But that's objectively wrong. You're twisting what actually happened to soften the blow. This is literally the last canon scene in Symphogear, and the note GX ended on.
>Just because he ain't a shining beacon of morality doesn't mean he can't display the themes. Just that he shows them in different ways.
You didn't actually say anything with those sentences, you know that, right? You just "Just because you made a point doesn't mean you're wrong." and then didn't follow it up.
>He's much like Hibiki in that in order for him to start making legitimate steps towards self-improvement, he needs someone to have his back - in this case, it's Hibiki.
He was an adult with a wife and a family. Hibiki was there the entire time, right up until he ran out on her.
>non-standard family unit
>father and daughter
Did you hit your head?
>The question is what do you do with it now that it's happened?
Regardless of what they do, he already trampled over everything the show stood for.
>If anyone stole screentime from Genjuro, it was Elfnein.
How did you misinterpret this? He stole the role of Hibiki's support from Genjuro and Miku, not just pure screen time.
Chris is a stronk independent fluffball who don't need no dyke partner.
>who don't need no dyke partner.
That's right, she's got me.
Chris is the saddest character in the show at this point.
>Literally has nobody really, entire family is dead, Genjuro doesn't really interact with her more than anyone else, she wants to be cool oneesan to Retard and Autismo but they don't need her, all the other lesbians are paired up
>Closest relationship she had was to Fine who is dead now, and Maria stole Tsubasa
>Basically struggling to have a purpose through all of GX and is relegated to ineffectual jobber and artillery except that one time
She's my favorite character but it's getting depressing at this point because a few times during GX I legitimately thought "why are you still here?"
>Chris is taken out in the first episode and spends 80% of the show cleaning the boat and standing in the background with a soda
>you make a claim as bold that the topdad garbage was actually in line with the themes of the series
>that anon refutes every single point
>w-well I really didn't care that much anyway
Did you even read his posts or did you just want to throw an opinion you pulled out of your ass into the thread? Nothing you said is a point.
>It's clear that any further discussion won't really amount to much, especially since I don't particularly mind. It's clear that you care about Topdad more than anyone else in the room.
And yet you still types up all that drivel.
Terms like "headcanon" are really empty. Hibiki says the "first step" in episode 11 is being assertive. Not the finish line, the first step. The way the last scene is framed, well, it's got next to no dialogue so it's kind of up in the air what it's supposed to mean since Katsumi didn't say anything about it as far as I know and there's no keyword but given Hibiki's line, he's only started to fix things.
The main point you made is that he was "given" a redemption and simply that he didn't "earn" it but, y'know, "first step". He doesn't show the themes explicitly, but shows how Hibiki has learned the themes. After all, this is the first time Hibiki's actually talked to someone, they talked back, and things worked out fine for both parties.
It's a non-standard family unit because the daughter is the source of strength and support instead of the traditional idea of the father.
The overall point is that you can't say that the themes of the series aren't there. We give everyone else a pass because "well it's GX's shitty writing" so I'm sort of more inclined to blame that first. Author intent is kind of key and if Kaneko wanted someone who completely betrayed the themes of the series, he could do it, but no matter how crazy he's gone he certainly wouldn't keep them around. I think he just poorly conveyed it.
I'm one of the first to say "GX had more than enough time to do everything it wanted to a suitable degree and it wasted it" but I really think that this is a case where it was the time crunch that hurt it, as well as Kaneko leaving too much to implications when he should've explained them and explaining things that would've been fine being implications. Kaneko was very clumsy throughout GX's writing as a whole.
And c'mon, you know that GX is getting a sequel. Even as the worst season it was the most profitable by far and the epilogue clearly had left obvious hooks. The only question is when. So when that time comes, just know what you want.
>Terms like "headcanon" are really empty.
No anon, your post is completely empty. You ignored everything I said and just started spewing shit that didn't happen. You're twisting what actually happened to fit an idea in your head that doesn't exist in the story, that's head canon.
>Not the finish line, the first step
No. You're flat out wrong. They showed them running together and talking about how great everything was, and Hibiki hasn't shown a shred of hesitation with him. The last scene is literally her forcing him back into her family. It's over.
>but, y'know, "first step".
You can say it over and over again, but you're still wrong.
>He doesn't show the themes explicitly,
No, he just shits all over them as I've explicitly shown. If you're not even going to pretend to read what I wrote and actually reply to my post, then I'm not going to waste breath on you. Especially since, according to you, you don't care.
>Author intent is kind of key
Except that doesn't mean we can read the keywords, glean his ideas and project them onto the story when the story blatantly contradicts them. There's a reason even the director questioned what the hell he was doing.
>And c'mon, you know that GX is getting a sequel.
That changes literally nothing.
Now please either respond to my point with actual examples from the story, or stop posting. All you're doing is projecting baseless ideas onto the story.
>I don't care what actually happened
>If we assume X, Y, Z, A, B and C and then squint and kind of look at it this way, then maybe we can fudge it so that this is what actually happened
Holy shit, you're an idiot.
I'm a softie is what I am. If given the choice between forgiving and unforgiving, I'm more inclined to forgive. I've personally met people much much worse than Topdad, and honestly I can't hate them so much as pity them.
Every point given is an alternate interpretation, because things like bowing are a form of apology, showing up to his home and directly talking to his wife is the courage that Hibiki wanted him to show, and the like. All the points given are to be blamed on poor conveyance or hamhandedness more than anything else, but that doesn't mean they aren't in-line with the themes. You can't say "I didn't like it, so that means it's completely out of place." You can say it was terribly handled, though, and I can't argue with that.
The entire point I started with was "Carol's redemption was worse". Which is true. How many families do you think Carol left without one or both parental figures? That means that the worst thing Topdad's ever done is the kind of thing Carol directly causes on a daily basis.
All the points you've given require reading a different interpretation of the events that actually happened, because they were very vague. There's no statement that says "And then they all lived together for the rest of their lifes" in the last scene. If you really want a full discussion specifically on Topdad, ask Zoid because he's certainly a lot more invested on that front, and I suppose that's also the point because he had a pretty solid synopsis of the whole thing.
Ultimately I'm saying that I can't imagine what sort of mind thinks "abandoning a family" is less forgivable than "tried to destroy the world and nearly succeeded, killing millions if not billions in the process."
>The entire point I started with was "Carol's redemption was worse". Which is true. How many families do you think Carol
Ok, so you're not even going to pretend to focus on the point which was the shows themes, not "who was the bigger asshole". Nice goalposts.
>Ultimately I'm saying that I can't imagine what sort of mind thinks "abandoning a family" is less forgivable than "tried to destroy the world and nearly succeeded, killing millions if not billions in the process."
Go talk to any father who isn't a piece of shit and ask him what he thinks of a man who's abandoned his family. Maybe you'll understand when you grow up, but everything you're saying is amazing naive and stinks of a young 20-something year old who thinks he's a grown up.
>You can't say "I didn't like it, so that means it's completely out of place." You can say it was terribly handled, though, and I can't argue with that.
Except he fucking explained how they directly contradict and cheapen every idea, and you're just plugging your ears and projecting headcanon and personal ideas about how forgiveness "should" be handled. Are you a child, because you argue like one.
Address his points or fuck off.
>You can't say "I didn't like it, so that means it's completely out of place."
But that isn't what he said at all. He explained what the ideas were and how they were implemented, and then how topdad's take on those ideas was completely the opposite and ruined the themes.
>The entire point I started with was "Carol's redemption was worse".
>it seems pretty consistent with the themes to me.
Try not to trip when you backpedal on your own words.
So it would seem there are
incompleteKanade and Tsubasa characters for MUGEN
It's not exactly an official fighting game, but it's better than nothing. Has anyone tried it?
Link for those interested in downloading it:
Slowpoke here, not >>13467743
*I don't personally subscribe to the reading that nonstandard families are one of the pillars of Symphogear.
**Meaning characters only acted a certain way because the script demanded it, and it was all telegraphed weeks in advance.
*** "I just remembered he taught me this phrase even though it was blatantly brought up in Ep 7" and not only are we supposed to forget every way in which "heiki hecchara" is bad, the show treats her latching onto something and instilling it with deeper meaning and basically doing all the hard work herself as if that makes him some kind of saint. It's so lacking in credibility it actually makes his forgiveness worse than if he had just gone back to the mom as a display of courage.
No, no, take a moment to go back to the very first post and you see that it's about Carol being worse. Not about Topdad being good, just that Carol is worse. This one: >>13466435
Also I'm pretty sure it's a general consensus that history's greatest monsters are the ones with the biggest killcounts, not deadbeat dads. Obviously the latter is more common, but I don't think most people are going to say "literally worse than Hitler" about it.
See, you can say "cheapen" or "poorly handled" but ultimately they fall in-line with the themes. Something that doesn't fall into the themes would be if Hibiki or her mom tried to bring him back into the family, or if he slid back into the family unit and nobody made a big deal out of it for even a second. Something that hurts the themes doesn't contradict them.
You can't say that there was no talking about what should be done for him to earn Hibiki's trust, no attempt at making up for his older mistakes, no moment where he did try and act with some degree of courage, and no moment where he gained the strength to do something he wouldn't normally do alone due to the support of Hibiki. Because all of those things were there. You can say they were written very incompetently, but they were still there. Blame it on GX.
>you see that it's about Carol being worse. Not about Topdad being good, just that Carol is worse
You said Carol shit on the shows themes and that topdad supported them. This is not up for debate, and you said it in clear English. That anon explained point by point how that was wrong. You are now moving away from that argument. That's moving goalposts.
I have a comprehensive list I wrote up for movesets of
nearlyevery character. Most are very complex. Can't be assed to write Phara's moves, she bores me and had so few fight scenes. It was tough enough coming up with movesets for characters like Garie and the Marias.
Ye, found it a while back. Very basic, not surprising since it had to be made from scratch, I suppose
>See, you can say "cheapen" or "poorly handled"
>but ultimately they fall in-line with the themes. No they were not.
>Something that doesn't fall into the themes would be
Everything topdad did.
> there was no talking about what should be done for him to earn Hibiki's trust
There was not. When did he talk about what he had to do? He made a bunch of non statements (much like you're doing now) and then they just said it was over.
>no attempt at making up for his older mistakes,
There was not. He never made up for the fact that he'd abandoned her for years of her life.
>no moment where he did try and act with some degree of courage
>no moment where he gained the strength to do something he wouldn't normally do alone due to the support of Hibiki
That was the most pathetic moment in the entire show. What part of this do you not understand? The ideas I talked about were present in the other seasons and characters, and the build up led to their conclusions and gave them impact. Topdad lacked absolutely all of it. They took the idea that people would find resolve through experience and the people around them as presented by a series of interactions with each character, and the idea that you can earn redemption, and they through it out the window by not doing any of that with him, but instead just handing it to him by making everyone else useless, retarded, or flat out disappear. He ruined the themes by removing the work people had to go through, and all of the characters who stood as pillars for those ideas. Do you really not understand this? Are you really going to ignore most of my posts which break it down in detail and fall back on "Well he got redeemed so that's in line with redemption themes" and continue to ignore everything he destroyed?
I'm convinced you're just shitposting at this point, as no one can actually be so stupid they think that an idea getting pulled apart and destroyed counts as it's exploration in a story.
>Something that hurts the themes doesn't contradict them.
How ashy is Kanade's dying animation?
This is the only question that matters.
Taking manual is better since, ya know, you can drive both manual and automatic.
It was the spaghetti dropping that ruined my driving test, forgot all the shit that I need to do.
I wonder how the hell did Maria get a VTOL license
Takes a bit more power to move the car so you need the lower gears for it, but moving the car requires you to depress the clutch pedal just enough, and I fucked that up.
It came with her super soldier starter pack.
I was just wondering if you think if it's possible the series could ever regain it's footing next season or if it's fucked for good? I really love the series, but the way they handled Topdad doesn't leave me much room for hope. I mean considering everyone knows it shit except Kaneko, it's certainly possible someone will let him know, but c'mon now.
"Contradict" is to oppose, to take the themes of the previous season and say, "Actually, those were wrong, here's the REAL lesson you were supposed to learn." Something like, say, if the next season they made FIS the antagonists and they were majorly evil and the show unironically treated S.O.N.G. as stupid for ever trusting them and changed the entire theme of Symphogear to "You shouldn't trust anyone but yourself." The proper word to use would be "undermine" or "depreciate" or something. And to say it depreciates the themes? Yeah, I can't argue.
Thing is that I'm smelling what you're stepping in. It's a legitimate reading of the things, just that it obviously isn't what Kaneko intended, and it's far from the first time he failed to think through implications in GX (that was going on since the beginning). No matter how bad GX got I'm more inclined to just say, "Okay Kaneko, you did what you wanted and I'll accept it, I'll just try and block out all the bullshit and see in my mind's eye what you wanted to get at" and hope that the next season is better. If you want someone who has a more comprehensive grasp on this subject then talk to Zoid. Or, you know, just read his post. He's admittedly biased but I think he had a pretty legitimate explanation of the arc.
>I wonder how the hell did Maria get a VTOL license
Maria is like those sandbox game MCs who know how to drive and pilot every single vehicle in the game that isn't bolted to the ground from the start.
Except the Prototype dude I guess.
So there you go, Maria assimilated a pilot's biomass and memories with her tentacles.
Maria can drive though.
Keywords said Trimegusta or whatever the fuck didn't work on Hibiki because she's so goddamn dense that her thoughts of "I don't care about this barrier I'mma punch Carol in the cunt" made it stop existing. Or something.
>seatbelt slips under Tsubasa's diaphanous costume
Then the next thing I have to ask is, what are you doing here? I'm not very articulate so I can't easily explain why I think something without taking all day and then some, but when I see someone who has such a good grasp on it I can't help but wonder why that person doesn't just move on to something else since the show ended months ago.
>if it's possible the series could ever regain it's footing next season or if it's fucked for good?
They've definitely tarnished the track record the series had, but it's not like any future iterations can't be good. Not repeating the same mistakes is a start, especially not forcing the characters through the same fucking drama again while not letting them grow as people. The need to to learn what pacing is and actually include SoL interactions to make the cast feel like a group of friends and family instead of building up ideas that two characters have some bond, but then never letting them interact. Obviously they need to fix the shit battle choreography, and Genjuro needs to be a person again. The last two things are writing a villain that isn't just shitty redemption bait and that allows them to actually fight, and to not shove topdad down our throats at all. I don't want a speech about crying girls and fathers' wishes from that piece of shit during the final fight. But like I said, it's not like the series is ruined, just one season.
>"Contradict" is to oppose
And that's exactly what they did. I'm tired of responding to your head canon and baseless projections. Enjoy being an idiot
> Something like, say, if
Do you ever get tired of pulling ideas out of your ass to pretend you have a point?
I wish I was this wing
>I'm more inclined to just say, "Okay Kaneko, you did what you wanted and I'll accept it, I'll just try and block out all the bullshit
So you're admitting to being delusional? Nice.
> I think he had a pretty legitimate explanation of the arc.
He absolutely does not. He tried saying that people didn't understand it because they don't know moon (I do, and he's an idiot) and then he said that people just weren't thinking hard enough about it, when in reality he was just ignoring all the Japanese fans (and English ones here) who'd picked the entire thing apart and called it shit.
But hey, thanks for saying you think Zoids "It reminded me of my broken family, 10/10 I cry every time!" blogshit was a good explanation. You've saved everyone the trouble of ever taking you seriously again.
Because he's not me, he's was just joking. This is me
I still like the previous seasons and I like the characters. I don't want the show to be shit, GX was just shit and I'm no happy about it.
Is it still NTR if one partner died, and the new relationship didn't start until well after the death? Serious question, I'm not sure.
I am hopelessly in love with Kanade. The swordwing, not the spearwing.
Yeah. I liked most of the ASB seiyuu. Well, I guess I liked all of them. There weren't any I particularly disliked. Supposedly they're using most of ASB's voice cast for the Part IV anime, too, which is nice since I was particularly fond of Josuke and Okuyasu.
That's fucking cruel.
>Is it still NTR if one partner died, and the new relationship didn't start until well after the death?
Well according to Tsubasa, the first time she held Kanade was during her dying moments so it's not like they were serious or anything.
But anyway, no it doesn't.
Ah, my bad. Definitely taking this season as a learning experience is the first thing both Kaneko and everyone at Satelight needs to do. After three seasons they should have a good idea of what works and works what doesn't. As for choreography, I'm in the camp that believes the Noise hurt it more than help it at this point, they're always taken down in the same way after all. If they didn't come back next season I wouldn't miss them. The showdown with Carol couldn't even be called such. They were mostly just standing around while Carol threw her 7 billion powered Zesshou at them until they learned they could convert into an X-Drive, and after that instead of fighting her on equal grounds they just gave them a bunch of Noise to fight. We've already done this for two seasons and the Noise weren't even supposed to come back this season. As if to symbolize that we didn't even get a new song. That's boring as hell.
I'd probably just be restating everything else you said in different words from this point so I'll just stop here.
>GX was just shit and I'm no happy about it.
You and me both. Seeing that you're still somewhat positive about it gives me a bit of hope though.
>Kidzukeba ano toki hajimete dakke
>Dakishimeta no wa…
>Now I realized, wasn’t that the first time?
>First time I held you…
Sora e... is a really sad song, anon.
Noise were fine when they were handled like Toku mooks that aren't really a threat but at least slow the characters down. Even if the only Noise that could consistently be a hassle was the
PenisDrinking Bird Noise. Now they're like the filler enemies in a Dynasty Warriors game that exist to be taken out by the hundreds with no problem in order to make the characters look cooler and show off more of their moves. The "ONLY THREE-THOUSAND" line would've had a lot more weight in season 1 when in GX it was kinda cool but like, "Yeah, that's pretty normal."
For some reason I don't have the webm of Chris fighting Noise by the river.
>Now they're like the filler enemies in a Dynasty Warriors game that exist to be taken out by the hundreds with no problem in order to make the characters look cooler and show off more of their moves.
How is that different from before?
>last line in Sora e
>If I close my eyes, I'll always be able to sing
The noise actually had some nicely choreographed fights early on like this
that isn't my main issue with them. My problem is that they keep showing the girls beating them down and basically cheer "Yeah! Look how fucking badass they are!" when they don't follow up the noise fights with any good humanoid fights. They series never really lets any cool 1v1 fights happen, and for lack of a better word it just feels lame. I don't care how many explosions you want to show off or how many rockets Hibiki rides or how many space ships she suplexes anymore. When the main character doesn't have the resolve to finish a damn fight with an interesting enemy and the other characters are forced to follow suit as to not leave her behind thematically, it's just boring. They tried to throw us a bone with the dolls fights in GX, but those were just bad. The Fine fight, Chris v Tsubasa, and Tsubasa v Maria are the best first in the series. We need more stuff like that and less pounding away at mooks then jobbing or shying away from a real fights.
>You and me both.
Never lose hope.
>still no duet sample
It's Miku's birthday, damn it.
My favorites all go to Hibiki and Chris fights, but I just really like martial arts and everything about Ichaival.
And it dawned on me a while back that Chris may very well be the best CQC fighter of the main six.
Whenever I close my eyes I can see her, and I can hear her singing eternally in my head. I know I'll never meet her in this life, but I'll always be hoping for something in the next.
God damn it guys, don't do this to me again.
>retard vs retard
>better than Tsubasa v Chris
So, topdad arguments aside, I'm a little confused about what started the whole thing...
Was Carol actually redeemed at all? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the sequence of events for Carol at the end was:
>Resisted all of Hibiki's attempts to save her until the very end, where she hallucinated her father reaching out to her and took "his" (actually Hibiki's) hand
>Was lost in the explosion regardless
>Later showed up with her memories completely burnt out from fueling her alchemy stuff to where she's pretty much a blank slate with no knowledge of her own identity, history, or goals
>No idea what's going on, but feels bad for Elfnein so fuses with her, putting Elfnein's intact mind in her own intact body while Elfnein's dying body and Carol's dying mind vanish
I honestly can't say I'd call that "redemption". She never repented of her crimes, she simply lost her memories of them. And her only interaction with anyone after that point was with Elfnein, and all she did there, essentially, was die.
Was there a keyword explaining that Elfnein at the end actually had a gestalt consciousness with both her and Carol in the same body or something? She specifically denies being Carol when the other girls come in and see her standing there in the hospital room, so at most she's a new hybrid consciousness, neither Elfnein nor Carol. Whether she's still Elfnein or not, she's definitely not Carol; thus, Carol is dead, without ever really finding redemption. She fucked over her own mind beyond recognition before she had any chance for redemption that she didn't explicitly reject. This isn't even a deathbed redemption scenario here, this is more just a case of severe dementia at end of life that happens to strip away everything that had been motivating the villain to be evil.
>waifu joke thing
It's not a joke, anon
It seems /a/ doesn't play host to them anymore but if you think my waifufaggotry is bad you should have seen the threads over there. They were actually kind of scary.
The problem was that Hibiki prioritized saving Carol above stopping her from hurting innocent people, no one even pretended that she should repent for what she'd done, we got that shitty topdad speech about fatherhood and protecting crying girls, and Hibiki shed sympathetic tears for her. Her last action was painted as an act of love and kindness, that's the note they had her go out on. The entire ending was about making her realize what papa wanted and trying to save her, not stop her, and that's infuriating.