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I got a question, I know nothing of Fafner at all. I see quite a few people going nuts about Exodus though. The original series and one of the movies just came out on bluray and it's a pretty good price. I was thinking of picking it up and jumping in. Is it worth it? Is there anything it compares to?
I'm pretty open to anything really, I'm just hoping for some enjoyable fights and an interesting world.
Obvious thread bias aside, it is very well worth it if you can get over a few of the shortcomings from the start of the series.
The only thing that hasn't been licensed is the prequel OVA, which was made after the original series aired. There have been some positive results from watching that before you jump in, as the series has a somewhat slow first few episodes.
First 10-14 episodes of the original series are all world building and character establishment.
Everything after is pay off.
It's decent but not remarkable on it's own, it's the pay off that makes it great if you go back in hind sight.
If you finish the series, make sure to watch the Ova because it's a prequel but there's no official English release so you just gotta download it. If you liked the first series and decide to rewatch it to catch things you miss, know that there are audio drams and novels that also fill in some information and gaps.
Animation in original isn't spectacular but the jump in quality is evident between the first series and the ova, then the ova and the movie, and then the movie and the new series.
Fafner's an upward scale. You ever see that graph made to describe GaoGaiGar? Fafner's quality is like that. Once it starts going up it never stops going up.
Go for it
> I'm just hoping for some enjoyable fights and an interesting world.
It's the perfect series for you then, Fafner is pretty hefty on the world and character building.
>Is there anything it compares to?
Nope. You'd be hard pressed to really draw some legitimate similarities to other shows.
The Festum alone are pretty iconic in themselves and stand out far as most alien races go and are pretty menacing.
The setting alone is fairly unique the main cast are the population of a almost paradise like island but are fully aware they're just survivors drifting on the seas in a hellish post apocalyptic world. Instead of the usual population oblivious to some dark secret.
It's also one of the few shows which manages to get the 'knowledge before power' and 'understanding' themes so many mecha series manage to cock up spectacularly. It's also fairly consistent which is quite lacking with a lot of series which drop plot points and forget about them all the time.
>The original series and one of the movies just came out on bluray and it's a pretty good price.
Don't know about the original series but the movie's official subs are absolutely attrociously timed with lots of confusing gibberish. There are some fixed subs lying around you can ask some other anon for but I don't know if they would work with the official thing too since they were made to work with a rip of the official BD.
>I'm just hoping for some enjoyable fights and an interesting world.
World gets interesting halfway through the first season.
Fights don't get enjoyable till Exodus. The first season's are markedly bad, and that's when they're not "sortie the Fafners!" (cut to HQ) "all enemies defeated!"
You're exaggerating or being a faggot. Not enough GIGA DRILL BREAKER for you?They might not be the prettiest but they're enjoyable and Heaven and Earth had good ones too.
Putting aside the identity of the pilot, I'm happy the Dreizehn will fight again.
It was only in the last thread that I heard that it's supposed to have incorporated elements of the Babylon. Which explains it's unique appearance, I guess.
The first series doesn't have the best animation and the fights aren't spectecular like they are in the movie or Exodus, BUT they are still very much enjoyable and well done.
I think we can all agree on that
Thanks for all the input! I will most definitely check it out now. I'm fine with slower burns, especially if it's establishing the world and characters. I'll also remember to find the OVA and pick up the good subs, then continue on to the new series. I also already like the idea of everyone being in on the whole "yeah shit's fucked" instead of slowly uncovering it. The rest of the setting has me intrigued as well.
I like to just randomly pick up 20ish dollar series on amazon and run through them with little prior knowledge. Gankutsuou worked out very well and I felt like going for another. so when I saw Fafner pop up and remembered all the buzz about the new series, I had to ask. Thanks again.
>I also already like the idea of everyone being in on the whole "yeah shit's fucked" instead of slowly uncovering it.
Most of the cast understands it. It's the kids who had it hidden will be dealing with a bit of culture shock and ideal shock for the first arc of the series. There will be something that the main character does in the early episodes that you'd say "Of course he should have done that. That's what a good person does" but then you'll realize that he really SHOULDN'T have done it and a lot of unpleasant things start coming their way out of it.
Koyo's were such jerks really. It's almost sweet how two utter assholes found each other.
Still, I've always felt that was a dropped plot thread. I've suspected that Alberich was probably supposed to actually play a role in the original DA and the fact they were dropped completely was one of Tow's major changes.
I think the ultimate role they were meant to show was the humanity in the adults. That the adults weren't just using the kids to survive. They weren't part of any important island staff and WERE leaking secrets to the NUNS, which Fumihoko was tolerating because he really didn't just want to start banishing people/ruin the culture of peace they were trying to preserve, but then they crossed the line.
And who knows? They MIGHT be with the Indian refuges.
Is only me what thinks that "crystal assimilation" a kind of ...lewd?
Well, Walter's fucking fodder for Akira's character development.
So I doubt it'll be an issue.
And if Sky-Kun 2 is holding grudges, Kenji's little escapade in their Mir's birthing chamber probably won't be overlooked either.
Some anon in a previous thread linked to a mega folder with retimed BD subs, but a lot of them are .mks and as far as I know they can't be added to the video unless they're muxed together. Anyone has them in .ass?
He didn't die. He got assimilated, then through the power of dead Shoko love, he got his mind "mostly" back, then he became a "Slave-type" Festum. Sakura saved his body though.
He was the major angsty kid.
He showed up in H&E too before getting BTFO'd by Nicht, but he teleproted away before dying.
>They don't even mention Mamoru
I know it's good that they're still not hung up on the dead, but please. He was their best friend and his last thoughts was for their happiness. At least give him a close-up shot like Sakura's dad and Kenji's mom.
>They don't even mention Mamoru
He's the hero Alvis deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll ignore him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Gobine.
I made a mistake last thread. I was tired. I said that there are currently 6 types of Mir, and that Roadrunner was a 7th.
As of episode 13, there are 7 current Mir variants
D-Island, Ashoka, and then 5 Azazel types. Presumably Bollearios is included in that list of 5 although it's still only conjecture suggest that Bollearios has the capacity to manifest an Azazel type. That still leaves Walker, Belcross, and likely Smaug.
Now it's possible that they were including Roadrunner's nommed Mir as one of the 7 active Mir types, but I kinda doubt it.
If they weren't including RR's Mir we still have at least one entirely new Azazel type to look forward to as well as Altair's arrival.
If Bollearios and Roadrunner's devoured Mir are not included in the count, then that raises the count to TWO more new Azazel types.
I can't see any way this doesn't get a capstone movie.
I'm 100% alright with that too.
Maybe we can get a cool OVA flashback following some NUNs
Spied on by whom? Ashoka? Polaris is kill, and Ashoka is already right there with the Exodites so it doesn't really need to spy on her. Smaug doesn't need anyone to have connection with an Azazel type to monitor them either.
Well, my personal theory is that it's playing the long game.
Let's look at some stuff.
It basically had Emery, who I think is a good person, turn D-Island more militant. This would exhaust the Island's fighting strength as well as postpone or defeat another opponent Azazel type.
Next, it's letting Sein and Nicht, the two most powerful human weapons, protect it.
It's now being escorted to a safe haven another Mir established.
Also, Hester says that all the Mir flavors are trying to defeat each other to receive Altair.
This doesn't exactly mean Ashoka is a bad entity, like Belcross or Walker clearly are, but she just wants to win the Altairbowl by default.
Also, D-Island's Mir isn't a Polaris fragment (as far as we know).
I suppose it could've broken off from Polaris in ancient times, but in any event, the Polaris of DA and Island Mir have always been considered separate.
Kazuki's older than Soushi and Maya both. My mind is blown. I always thought Soushi was older....
Soushi and Maya are December and November babies ...
>Also, D-Island's Mir isn't a Polaris fragment (as far as we know).
>I suppose it could've broken off from Polaris in ancient times
Didn't the timeline in the Exodus site say the island Mir is from the ancient Japan Mir and Polaris was a recent arrival via meteor?
Fafner has had a few staff oddities in general.
Interesting to note the series composer for the first series has vanished off the face of the Earth and the original writer also hasn't written anything else for anime since except a Futari H OVA last year. This is his official company website I believe.
Another oddity is Nobuyoshi Habara has acted as the Director for DA, Exodus and RoL but actually didn't take part in the H&E movie.
They actually brought in a new Director AND Chief Director for H&E. Toshimasa Suzuki (storyboarded RoL) and Takashi Noto shared Directorial duties they had worked before on Heroic Age in the same roles and Suzuki was also the director for Rin-ne no Lagrange too.
Oddly whilst Takashi Noto stayed Chief Director for Exodus Habara reprised his role as Director. Toshimasa Suzuki has done nothing in Exodus except the storyboard for the last ep of S1.
D-Island is the name ALVIS has been referred to by the Mir
Ashoka is also mentioned
Belcros s is something the threads have been using because of the design similarities to Belcross
Roadruner is used in the show
Walker is used in the show
Smaug is something the threads have been using because it looks like a Dragon
Bollearios is the name of the aircraft carrier in H&E
I had suspected that maybe he was using an old leftover satelite from the initial conflict.
This past episode more or less confirmed a similar idea.
I can't remember if it was a meteor, specifically off the top of my head, but yeah, they arrived in completely different eras.
I disagree, I think Ashoka is mostly good like island mir. Otherwise it would make no sense for them to find peaceful festum forests and stuff. It just wants to coexist, however it is probably infected by the yellow boy like a "virus" and I think Tatsumiya got infected too when they spoke.
Also, even if Ashoka isn't speaking to Polaris, I think they infected Tatsumiya. When Emery spoke to Orihime, she made her more militant and want to build more "eternal soldiers", even though she wants to protect everyone Emery fucked her up.
I specifically said I don't think it makes Ashoka bad, and let me add anti-peace.
Also, why wouldn't it chill in the forest? They got resources. If they went and attacked it that would wear them out.
Ashoka is basically using everyone for her own ends. If, in the process of wooing Altair, potential antagonists are defeated prematurely, so be it. D-Island doesn't need to exist for Altair to be made into a hippie.
Emery for sure isn't the bad egg. Now Narain and his experiments might have done something.
Well, the Mir hasn't ever actually called itself anything.
The NUNs have called ALVIS both D-Island and API-1. The Mir is officialy the Seto Inland Sea Mir.
D-Island is the most current term associated with the island so I rolled with that, although API-1 is easier to type.
>>>Can we give the island Mir a nickname?
Emery isn't bad, and neither is the mir I think, but we don't know exactly what she is. She is a link of communication between the human army mir and the island's mir. I think they had some UNDERSTANDING convo in that moment, which is why immediately after Orihime's eyes flash gold, and then they start making the new cores.
I think Ashoka is on the side of humans, but urging the humans to "fight harder" against NUNS and Festum which Tatsumiya doesn't want, However Ashoka talked Tatsumiya into it then which is why Orihime is colder and trying to make their fighting strength better. It would be retarded for Ashoka to have been plotting against the people it was protecting for however long and turned people into esparantos and stuff to help them
I still don't think Ashoka is malicious or intending to get rid of people, you keep assigning that position to me.
I do think that it is ambitious, and in the process of fighting doesn't mind too terribly if even the peaceful Mir entities are destroyed, as long as the job (making sure Altair becomes a peacefag) gets done.
>Also, Re: nickname
How about SISM?
Short for Seto Inland sea Mir. It rolls of the tongue too
Yeah, that's what it was called when it was originally uncovered.
Calling it ALVIS or Tatsumiya lends itself to a bit of confusion unless you say
ALVIS's Mir or Tatsumiya's Mir.
I suppose by that same token, so does referring to Bollearios's Mir as Bollearios. Maybe Mirsao is better lol? Although I think most people would think that to be a typo.
Takashi Noto was already one of the guys in charge in S1 and RoL. I remember him explaining some years ago on Twitter that he made Nobuyoshi Habara extend the final scene of RoL because he thought the planned one was too short or something like that. Also that the staff complained that he was too bossy.
No wonder I never die!
Sorta, kinda. He was the producer for the original Fafner but it was shared duties between several producers and they were the most junior.
For RoL they were the Literature researcher, basically the guy who reads up on everything and makes sure the random references make fucking sense and details the world setting. In the end the guy was very backstage in his role.
It wasn't till H&E onwards he really took full charge.
Ignore the other list, this one includes all the characters:
2/17 Mizoguchi, Yukie
4/20 Rina, Akira
5/14 Kiyomi, Yumiko
Year of Birth:
2094 - Youji
2100 - Seiichirou
2101 - Mitsuhiro
2102 - Akane
2104 - Chizuru, Mizoguchi
2015 - Kiyomi
2106 - Fumihiko, Tamotsu, Kouzou
2107 - Youko, Ayano
2121 - Yumiko, Michio
2122 - Yukie
2131 - Kazuki, Soushi, Maya, Sakura, Kenji,
Mamoru, Shouko, Kouyou, Karin
2132 - Canon, Akira, Rina, Seri, Hiroto
2136 - Reo
2137 - Mimika, Sui
2147 - Miwa
> 9/21 Kazuki
>2131 Kazuki, Soushi, Maya, Sakura, Kenji, Mamoru, Shouko, Kouyou, Karin
I was convinced that Shouko was the youngest of the first generation kids.
>I was not expecting Koyo to reappear
He isn't a real person, and he never lost his body. Slave types can shapeshift.
>I don't know what any of that means.
Did you try watching the show?
This has been explained numerous times before.
Koyo got assimilated. However, he managed to get his mind back, mostly, and became a new designation of Festum. The Slave-type.
What's the deal with the wiki project anyways? I'm getting pretty tired of explaining this shit to people that won't use the archive.
Fuck the previous thread is still up, and I know more than one explanation was offered.
Going back to the discussion regarding Maya being different than she used to be from last thread.
When she chats with Canon in Ep. 3, Maya says she doesn't know if she's fighting and learning how to pilot a jet for Kazuki's sake, rather that's it's just become something she's been doing /because/
She ain't the little girl anymore.
Why is Sanae Kobayashi's voice so good?
>Dat slight gravelyness.
Hell, all of the VA work in Fafner is really good, I guess whoever they have doing voice direction knows.
There's a very good chance that the thread will be up til the 11th anyway.
We still have to do a thread for Suzy, Amaterasu, and Tsukyomi too, but I guess they can be skipped in favor of giving Maya a pic, someone hijacked the Sieben thread anyway.
Sui's sister was the red one in the middle, right?
Was this Michio's mom?
It would have been nice for RoL to be longer or for Xebec to go back and addon to it so we could've been able to sympathize with it's characters more.
I mean it was still sad but now they're saying that people in Exodus have family who took part in that operation and they barely got screen time and had no lines, it's kinda hard to relate to those characters due to that
It's just Sui's family and the Priest chick.
The relevant people in RoL died in RoL. Sui's family drama just uses RoL as a means to drive it, because even if we didn't KNOW her we knew the situation she was in by proxy and how it affected the island and the priest chick is just a minor character.
It's to tie the Ova more into it.
They did extend it...
And what's with this myth that you have to "know" characters for their deaths to get married?
Ryu's aunt is Mizoguchi's Chief of Staff
>And what's with this myth that you have to "know" characters for their deaths to get married?
I know that it's not necessary but if sui had had a few flashback scenes of her or somehting earlier in the series or HaE it could've at least help.
Also what did you mean by they did extend it? is there a longer version?
So in Ep. 5 when Ian looks at the Manga issue, he says
"You're amazing, Nishio-sensei"
I think he's referring to the fact that Granny was the one that commissioned it as educational material--in episode one or two, iirc.
That's the only was it makes sense.
And he actually says Nishio, not Kodate. It's possible they recorded the line wrong--doubtful, but I'm wondering if there's a way that I can phrase it that makes more sense, but doesn't butcher what Ian is saying.
Sui didn't exist in H&E.
Yeah, that one Anon subbed it over the summer. Where have you been m8?
Kids - dd/mm/yyyy
4/04/2130 - Yumi
15/06/2130 - Ryou
2/04/2131 - Karin
7/05/2131 - Kouyou
13/08/2131 - Mamoru
20/09/2131 - Shouko
21/09/2131 - Kazuki
11/11/2131 - Maya
7/12/2131 - Kenji
27/12/2131 - Soushi
22/03/2132 - Sakura
20/04/2132 - Akira
20/04/2132 - Rina
27/05/2132 - Canon
8/07/2132 - Seri
15/12/2132 - Hiroto
5/03/2133 - Tsubaki
10/08/2136 - Reo
15/02/2137 - Sui
3/03/2137 - Mimika
1/04/2147 - Miwa
Adults - dd/mm/yyyy
17/11/2100 - Seiichirou
11/01/2102 - Akane
6/01/2104 - Chizuru
17/02/2104 - Mizoguchi
14/05/2105 - Kiyomi
7/01/2106 - Kouzou
2/06/2106 - Fumihiko
5/10/2106 - Tamotsu
22/07/2107 - Youko
28/07/2107 - Ayano
14/05/2121 - Yumiko
17/02/2122 - Yukie
Now in order from oldest to youngest. Canon, was the youngest 1st generation pilot. Yumi was the oldest one. Yukie was the youngest of the adults.
He is NOT included in the count.
So before he died that means we had 8 major Mir variants active.
So, with 7 episodes to go we have to deal with yet another Azazel type, Altair, a possible takeover by Burns, Misao, and all the other stuff.
If Misao's Mir is separate, then that leaves 2 more Azazel types.
We had guessed Kenji getting it because he uses the Seigfried System. On that note, after Kenji's SDP activates Koyo is teleported to the island, then warps to the battlefield where he regenerates his Fafner, assimilates Sui's weapon, and does some twisting thing to Walker. All of those are other people's SDPs. Maybe Kenji's ability is to let each team member use each others powers?
We don't know, but that would be a useful ability for Kenji to have, considering his triple work load.
I mean MOST of the abilities were things Koyo could already do as a Festum.
Kenji DID something but we don't know what.
Also the realiaztion is dawning on me that Sein needs to step up it's game somehow. It use to be the Fafner that stuck out the most but nearly every other one has outpaced it now
Koyo is a Festum, he has innate SDP.
I'm not sure the twisty bubbling thing was really caused by SDP, but rather just an effect from getting damaged.
Sein damaged Roadrunner's hand in that fashion too.
Hell even Akira's Dragon Tooth causes the same bubbling effect on a Sphinx type in ep. 2
> let each team member use each others powers
That'd be pretty cool, but I doubt it.
Sein stood alone against, and damaged a megabuffed Azazel. That's pretty metal.
Yeah my bad, didn't see the post among all the new episode hype.
Have some more longcoat as an apology.
>Canon's birthday is three days apart from mine
Tatsumiya's Mir would just be one fragment of the Seto Inland Sea Mir, right? According to the timeline that was split into three parts to be studies by Japanese scientists, so in theory it could just be one of those thirds.
But then who knows where the rest went, how much is used for the Fafners, or whatever else.
I really dislike the ancient aliums retcon. Or if it isn't a retcon, I dislike it anyway.
It woud've been easy enough to say that it was a chunk of Polaris that broke off when it came into the atmosphere.
Yeah the idea's seemingly been there from the start, just never really front and center, always just a little worldbuilding note about discovering the Mir.
Which makes it easy to ignore if you like, I suppose. I think DA did mention that uncovering the Mir is what attracted the Festum, though.
Even then that still makes sense. Polaris wants to get the rest of himself back so he dispatches Festum to collect.
I remember Hino's info-dump, and it always struck me as pretty vague even for an info dump.
Not today Festum.
The proof of my existence will live forever in
So I think I have all the errors corrected through Ep. 13, not gonna bother with the recent batch of episodes until BDs drop, if someone else retimes them cool, otherwise I'll do it, and fix errors when they get put up.
I'm curious, do you guys want the two inserts of Exist in Eps. 7 & 13
On Sono Toki, I'm trying to figure out how to put it on there in a way that doesn't distract from the action too much.
The native subs are vertical and on the side of the screen and it looks really nice, but English doesn't really yield itself to that, unfortunately.
I'm thinking I might just make one version with and one without.
While inserts sound nice in theory as another step up from the official subs, if they're too intrusive then I personally wouldn't miss much.
But I'm sure that's pretty divisive, maybe options is the best way to go.
Can anyone figure out what weapon Vier is holding in this pic. I can't tell if it's a Gundrake, a Railgun, or something new.
I figured it was a Gundrake. However it looks more similar to the weapons the Troopers have though (the two hand grip). I can't tell if it extends under Vier's shoulder though. Which would make it significantly longer.
Holy fucking shit I cannot wait to see that fight.
I know CR subs making mistakes is nothing new, but this part really bugs me. "A" core would make a lot more sense here. The Well has all of them.
But maybe I've just watched the end of 19 too many times.
Goddammit, if they ever release these coats as a part of the Fafner stuff, I'll buy them without any second thought. I know I will.
I hope not.
I hate when they do the thing making genuinely good, albeit fucking awful characters pawns of the "bigger enemy." It's a major turn off.
Illusive Man was such shit in ME3.
Comic books ruined twists for me.
Song translation guy here.
Are there script dumps of the CR subs anywhere? I could take a look at how accurate they are. I'm already convinced that they're PRETTY bad considering that one screenshot from a few threads ago where the subs had Akira babbling nonsense that were nothing like what he was actually saying (him rewriting the wish on the charm the refugee girl gave him after she died turned into some nonsense about her rewriting it herself)
Towards our pure and blue world!
Probably not, SDP and assorted shapes of worm sphere is not good for your health plus they are still learning.
Think of genderbent Idun in Nicht going "This is jealousy" instead of hatred, that would be terrifying.
Or a Master type going so jealous it made another mutated Salvator model.
Sub fag here, not to my knowledge.
I think I caught most if not all of the mistakes through episode 13 though. At least there's nothing that doesn't sound right to me. I did add some italics/quote marks in places for emphasis.
Like the scene were Orihime says "the [islanders] were planning to abandon them" immediately after talking about having Soushi and Kazuki go to Srinigar. "them" is obviously Sein and Nicht, but it isn't immediately clear. Orihime's extra dry delivery doesn't help either.
Also, can't you just watch the HS rips? you have to listen to tell the errors, and they're on the screen for you.
>The power of the D is Anon's blessing.
>Festum become dick-craving sluts
Dick doesn't get destroyed. Instead it decides to go over to the festum side where it will create its existence again.
You stay in a state of crossing with your dick for two years.
Also the scene in DA where Tomatsu asks Fünf to please protect everyone. In Exodus Canon asks the same thing of rebuilt Fünf
Exact same shots.
Why is Fafner so cruel?
While we're on the topic of CR subs being terrible, I've been wondering about something translation-wise. People have been bringing up "limiters" on Sein and Nicht for a while, when did that come up exactly?
I'm just wondering if that might have been an odd translation for "restraints" since the two did start off with some kinky bondage in Exodus. Like, I do remember the term coming up in the subs, but it's been too long since I watched the earliest episodes.
If they did actually say limiter out loud in engrish or something then I'm just forgetful, but it seems like the kind of thing Fafner would explain in more detail. Wouldn't mind being proven wrong though, just curious.
>looking at old 2ch threads
>mfw this discussion about Sui's SDP from the first season
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>Sui a shit, MP trooper so much better
>Dude he can summon people and save them or summon invisible enemies' cores
yeah that turned out great
The bindings in the early episodes are to keep the mechs from interacting with their surroundings and gobbling them up. Also to make it harder for infiltrators to get inside them.
Maya actually does say "limiter" in episode 9 while Kaz is God'ing out, unless I'm completely deaf. I think Soushi mentions it in ep. 6 as well.
I think Doc Hino said something about dampers/suppressors in DA too, but I might be imagining that.
>Maya actually does say "limiter" in episode 9 while Kaz is God'ing out
That's what I was looking for, thank you.
Just wanted to be sure. The whole thing still seems surprisingly lacking explanation for Fafner, but it does make sense that reducing the assimilation on something as OP as the Salvators would require just limiting them all-around.
Is this from the jap wiki? Do they cite a source? I really wish they would cite their shit.
That pretty much just says Kaz and Soushi can pilot the two now-more-powerful mechs with the limiters removed because the power of friendship keeps each others' mind calm.
Baka musuko ;_;
That's actually hilarious.
I'd be willing to accept that Soushi piloting now makes some difference, like the two Salvators are in unison and share the burden. Soushi's Festum body could even be an easy excuse.
But no, they keep eachother calm through homo power, alright. Nice and logical there.
That's almost the whole shield being covered
Nice hotblooded yell
>massive messiah complex
There are literally people that refused to believe that Kazuki was becoming arrogant.
Their status: BTFO, courtesy of Japan.
>"They are two powers as one"
It's not that far off the mark
Kensho Ono working hard to make up for A/Z.
There are only two thing in which A/Z surpasses Fefner:
>Being an absolute horrible anime from start to finish.
>Being massively popular with the mainstream crowd.
Both are things that Fafner doesn't really need to "surpass".
I told you people stoning each other was a bad thing.
>There are literally people that refused to believe that Kazuki was becoming arrogant.
Not arrogant, the Sein makes him feel powerful and the personality thing makes him want to use that power to save everyone he can.
In retrospect, him saving a random nun plane was what led to Shouko's death in the first place.
It all stems back from the ending of the original series, H&E mentioned that Mark Sein assimilated the Nicht to stop it continuing to pursue them at the end of the series.
He ended up killing Idun by doing so but the Nicht itself persisted and was living within the Sein they ended up being bonded together through Crossing, it also explains the sudden redesign Nicht got when Misao extracted it from the Sein. He just ended up reshaping it the same way Kazuki remodeled the Sein when he first got it.
The original ended with Koyo too.
>You've crossed the event horizon. You've finally learned that life is suffering and despair. I have nothing left to monologue about.
>... go away, Minashiro-kun.
>Wait Toumi, you forgot to take the breakfast
>Even Minashiro-kun can be considerate sometimes
>You will soon learn that true despair stems form the hopelessness of being left with only moldy hardtacks as rations.
>Sound of pistol whip
I might transcribe the whole thing if I get the itch and have some time.
A few of the detailed notes could REALLY use some touching up too, the "meal" being split into three parts is slightly misleading. Nevermind how some words like Albericht get treated.
If you know Japanese, check it with the original. The translation is really stiff and has some weird wording, not to mention that it calls Yumi "Yumi Koma" instead of Yumi Ikoma.
That's odd, the English version has that in 2085 but the Japanese version lists the dividing of the Mir in 2098.
Ah, guess I'll leave it to you then.
Actually for anyone capable, does the timeline for the Nothung Model's completion line up between versions? The English one says they were finished twelve years before the series, which is bizarre.
But it could just be that they took years to manufacture, and the design was complete, which works.
English version skips a LOT of stuff or just lumps it into single entries
An unknown photon crystalline body is discovered in a huge crater at the bottom of the Seto Inland Sea.
Named the Seto Inland Sea Mir, the photon crystalline body is determined to be an intelligent life-form. Presented at the Astrobiological Society conference, it is analyzed under the direct control of the Japanese government.
The Seto Inland Sea Mir's experience information reveals the existence of multiple forms of advanced intelligent life. The Nibelheim Project is started to extract scientific technology from it.
Hypothesizing the existence of a super-ancient Mir, a theory is put forth that claims it was the Mir that caused apes to evolve into Homo sapiens.
The similarities between the Mir genetic information and Human chromosomes is established, but the research results are covered up and Mir researched is transferred exclusively to Albericht.
It is found that the super-ancient Mir caused apes to evolve into Homo sapiens. The Mir was fused to the human chromosome, and is being passed on even to the present day.
The Seto Inland Sea Mir is divided into three parts and stored by Albericht, the JSDF, and International Energy Research Company.
>divided into three parts and stored by Albericht, the JSDF, and International Energy Research Company.
Damn this really is much more detailed.
Seriously, thank you, any more official info we can get feels great.
Communications with international space station Aria 2 are lost. All satellites in orbit are destroyed, communications between all agencies all over the world are cut off, and countless public transportation facilities (especially air) take heavy casualties. Disaster relief requests come in from all over. A huge photon crystalline body falls to earth near the North Pole and is named the Arctic Mir. Festum appeared intermittently, pulling all countries around the world into combat. Numerous photon crystalline bodies are detected in fixed orbits around earth. The UN limits flight to below 7000m.
NATO is wiped out. The UN HQ is destroyed. The chains of command in the European and American fronts are paralysed by this.
New United Nations established / Humanity Army founded in South Africa. They take command of surviving forces.
The Seto Inland Sea Mir grows. Japan's birth rate rapidly declines, and the Japanese government announces that there are zero new births.
It is found that the Seto Inland Sea Mir rendered all living organisms in Japan infertile.
Albericht Agency creates the Coagula, an artificial uterus, in an effort to cultivate embryos.
The Kanto region is wiped out by Festum attack.
An emergency meeting of the World Security Council is held, and decides to destroy the Mir (Japan with it).
The Human Army commences a nuclear strike against Japan. The attack virtually erases Japan from the face of the earth, leaving behind only Okinawa and half of Hokkaido.
Survivors from Albericht, the JSDF, and IERC gather in Asahikawa, Hokkaido and form an interim Japanese government. The Arcadian Project is started. Makabe Akane is posted to the JSDF's second combined brigade (Ehime prefecture Matsuyama camp).
The United States of America collapses. Armies of all countries including the remaining American forces are integrated into the Human Army.
Using the former city of Obihiro as a base, the construction of a huge ark over the pacific ocean begins. Asagi Fumihiko is posted to the JSDF's second combined brigade and fights on the front lines in an anti-Festum squad.
First F-Plan is carried out. Construction starts on Professor Ikumi Nishio's Siegfried-system integrated prototype Fafner. Asagi Fumihiko ends his basic training and is posted to ace pilot Makabe Akane's 502nd Squadron.
Countries press forward with their own Arcadian Projects.
The giant Fafner-carrying submarine fortress, christened the Alvis, enters service.
Artificial islands are built on top of the submarine fortress for use as residential space.
Selection process for inhabitants of the artificial island begins.
Settlement of the artificial island begins. It is named Tatsumiya-jima.
Hokkaido is attacked and wiped out by the Festum.
The Festum and Tatsumiya clash for the first time.
Makabe Kazuki is born. The JSDF's forces take heavy losses and it becomes the Alvis Guardian.
The prototype Zero Fafner's startup experiment fails and the pilots including Nishio Takumi die. Nishio Yukimi leaves the project, which is inherited by Mitsuhiro Bartland.
Mirror camouflage system Melkfin (*no idea what メルクフィン is supposed to be, probably spelling it wrong) is completed. Minashiro Saya is partically assimilated by the Seto Insland Sea Mir and dies. Makabe Akane is assimilated. Work on turning the Zero Fafner into a weapons system is abandoned, and it is converted into an auxilliary system for Alvis.
Alvis deploys the mirror camouflage system and moves to the Southern Hemispherewhere chance of combat is reduced. Development of a new Fafner model with the Siegfried System externalised (Nothung model) is completed.
Installation of pilot training hypnosis system in Tatsumiya Island middle school.
The Nothung Model's first startup experiment is a success.
Resistance to assimilation through an immune system like process is confirmed. Festum thought-waves enter Tatsumiya, and the children respond to it.
The Nothung Model's second startup experiment is a success. Mitsuhiro Bartland leaves the island.
The European and North African fronts remain at a standstill.
The Nothung Model's third startup experiment is a success.
Youji and Michio Hino leave the island. Canon (9 at the time) is picked up by Michio (19) who at the time is a member of the NUNFF (新国連人類軍特戦旅団)
Nothung models Mark Eins and Mark Zwei are deployed for combat.
The Mark Eins' pilot dies in an accident during training. The L-Project is executed.
Sphinx-type Festum attack Tatsumiya Island. Operation Heaven's Door and Azure Operation are executed.
Miwa Hino born by natural conception.
Sphinx-type Festum attack Tatsumiya Island. Second Azure operation.
Human Army's Hawaii Poliʻahu transport base is destroyed.
>The Seto Inland Sea Mir is divided into three parts and stored by Albericht, the JSDF, and International Energy Research Company.
> Using the former city of Obihiro as a base, the construction of a huge ark over the pacific ocean begins.
> Countries press forward with their own Arcadian Projects.
Japan seemingly only made that one Alvis, so the other Alvis that showed up in DA was made by some other country?
>The giant Fafner-carrying submarine fortress, christened the Alvis, enters service.
Thought it was a giant aircraft carrier or something, but nope, it's a submarine. Presumably if they didn't care about the island it could probably submerge entirely.
>Presumably if they didn't care about the island it could probably submerge entirely.
They just have to wait until the Mir levels up. >>13469708
Well the timeline does explain better WHY nearly all the adults have radiation poisoning.
Literally 99% of Japan was turned into a nuclear wasteland.
I'll feel bad if King Gainer ever ends up in a SRW with them again since Yapan is no longer there.
>#ファフナー版深夜の真剣お絵描き60分一本勝負 on twitter
It's unusual, but sometimes the husband does takes the wife's name instead of the other way around in Asian countries, usually when you want the children to inherit the mother's name or if the mother's side of the family is more influential (aka rich)
Well not pregnant, made them use the artificial womb.
Though that DOES sound like why they'd even get together in the first. They rushed in as dumb kids before his brain finished forming the 'KILL ALL FESTUM NO MATTER WHAT" hardware at 25.
Mmm, it could work. As long as someone keeps in check his stupid "it was humans all along."
It could work too, if they put a leash on her and restrain her brand of melodrama.
People need to calm down about their meme writers.
I will be absolutely floored if these two kick the bucket. Fucking deathflags man.
Glad Kenji's rocking his green Fafnir again, though. Will he get a long coat in the ED or is that reserved for the special kids only?
Yeah but with Urobuchi then people would flock to it just because of his name and it'd get popular and idiots would start spouting how dark and mature it is and how the original series is so lame terrible.
But that's getting a bit off-topic.
>Giving a shit about what other people think about what you like.
I will never understand this way of thinking.
Keeping in line with the "fafner things by other writers" thing. I would love a book written by Kouhei Kadono, an interquel or something.
>A decent match
No, he wouldn't. He enjoys pointless suffering too much. He'd just turn everything into RoL, and while RoL is good it's the type of story that should only be about movie length at most.
Also Gargantia is as close as you'd get and Gargantia does everything Fafner does worse.
How much UNDERSTANDING do we get at the end? We already have ghosts.
Madoka was a stale magical girl show that relied on surprise twists and suffering to get popular
Fate/Zero was a non stop ride of "everyone gets fucked"
Saya no Uta is a suffering VN fest relying on being grotesque.
Gargantia had no balance in terms of pacifism and willingness to defend one self.
Chaos Dragon shows just what kind of DnD player he is and that shows a lot in a person.
He'd demature the story if he touched Fafner
You never know, maybe everyone will end up having one it's just that only Kazuki and co get shown in them in the ED since they're the ones who are going to fuck shit up when Altair lands, since that's the only way I could possibly imagine there being so many god damn Festum in one spot.
>The prototype Zero Fafner's startup experiment fails and the pilots including Nishio Takumi die. Nishio Yukimi leaves the project
Odd, I thought both of them died piloting the Zero Fafner.
After the old lady left the Fafner Zero project Mitsuhiro took over and created the Titan Models. So, Mitsuhiro loved creating machines that love to eat up their pilots. This guy was twisted as fuck.
Just got through DA, L&R and H&E, I'll start Exodus soon.
I'm not sure how well I understood all of this, but I'm just going to ask: Why did the Festum keep attacking even when they understood what pain was? Isn't the logical course of action when something pains you to get away from it instead of prolonging it?
Also how did Koyo get his machine back out of nowhere? Is it the repaired original or just made from scratch using Festum hacks?
>So, Mitsuhiro loved creating machines that love to eat up their pilots. This guy was twisted as fuck.
You're cartoonifying Mitsuhiro. He may have been an asshole but he was following the philosophy of "defeat as many enemies as possible"
His machines were high performance, high burn models. Which when you consider the strengths of Festum made sense. If your pilots are going to die no matter what, better that they take as many enemies out as possible rather than just getting taken out because they had an under preforming machine.
>Why did the Festum keep attacking
In DA Polaris had already resolved to assimilate everything because that's Festum ideology.
In HaE, it's an attack out of necessity.
Also has you'll learn in Exodus, other fragments of Polaris have adopted Yukipi's blessing of hatred to their core.
Koyo went and retrieved it from wherever Maya's dad took it.
>The Mark Eins' pilot dies in an accident during training. The L-Project is executed.
Hrmm, so was Soushi referring to the Zero or the Eins in this case?
There was the one time Yumi said "There have been many operations like this before" in regards to the L-Plan.
Of course, Ryou responds with "Yeah, but everyone died ever time", but whatever.
What I'm getting at is, RoL and the casualty wall in the shrine (shown in Exodus) lead the viewer to believe there's been shit tons of stuff going on behind the scenes the whole time, and I want to believe that the Titan models are not the first Fafners built after the Zero.
In particular, I imagine more rudimentary Fluffners were built that more resemble Hino's Babylon and Megatherion models before they started experimenting with the megacancer Titan Models.
Speaks for itself.
>Speaks for itself.
As if that version of the site isn't rife with errors.
Emery is a cuter name also. Fafner's va's have magically learned to Pronounce 'L' fairly well, and everytime they say Emery it sounds intentional. For that matter they actually say Almond and not Arumond when they pronounce her last name.
Also, her name is spelled
He doesn't have any single SDP, he is a Festum already. For that matter he's manifested it many times already.
Promotion of Assimilation. Teleports, shapeshifting, non-verbal communications, worm sphere manipulation.
SDP stands for Super Dimensional Phenomenon, and it's explained to be a term for the Festum's innate powers.
Vier will get upgraded though. Since he's already able to use the Nothung to maximum capacity, the Einherjar suite will just raise that ceiling even further.
Well, considering in the case here - Akane was 1) four years older than Fumihiko 2) his commanding officer (she was a captain, he was a lieutenant), it's really no wonder he took her name.
Lower class, so to speak. Honorable samurai culture.
>you had a great machine
If he's archiving even if his computer runs hot right now, he'll probably upgrade at some point at which point it'd be better to have the philosophy ones. The whole philosophy batch is actually smaller too.
So i've been watching fafner for the past two weeks, been avoiding threads in case of spoilers but just caught up to the latest episode of exodus. just realised though, i never watched right of left
Did i make a mistake? i know previous episodes had been making callbacks to it but the recent bit with the L and R bits of the island and the whole exodus plan made me really feel like i screwed up by not watching it.
also i really wish i'd picked this show up earlier and watched it with you guys
Damn it, can't catch up on old threads because of the dead archive. Fuck.
All you really missed regarding Exodus was a higher intensity of THIS BITCH CAN'T BE SERIOUS.
It's still good even out of order.
Glad you caught up friend!
What got you into the show?
Koyo only made it because his assimilation stopped at his neurons and then he spent months evolving into a new form of Festum. Soushi only made it because Idun specifically kept him human so they could understand pain.
It's fatal because most of the time the Festum is trying to absorb and dilute the person as an addition to the festum conglomerate intelligence.
I actually really liked it. The whole situation was fucked from the beginning with the way they produced it, but I felt that it's take on "going against the grain" was better realized. It just gets an excessive amount of flak because no Kogame.
The movie was worse than either entry which is a shame. Especially all the bullshit with sucking off Makishima.
>it was humans all along
It was actually Mir though
I thought he only said that in Ep. 7
specifically kept him human so they could understand pain.
Not quite, they didn't want to understand pain, Idun just wanted to know tactics. Soushi had other plans, and blessed them with pain instead.
Also, you forget the part where Misao shields Soushi's mind/soul/haecceity from the Mir fragment which was trying to absorb any and everything to get rid of things that could cause pain.
Your description of Koyo is pretty accurate though
I'd heard good things about exodus and i was intrigued by the mech design so i thought id give Fafner in the Azure a few episodes and then i found i couldnt stop watching. The jump in quality of the visuals from the first series to the movie and exodus really took me by surprise. I'm just really impressed with how well the cg is incorporated. i was really impressed with the visuals in general really. little things like moisture on plane windows and stuff like that. It was so nice seeing the revamped look of the island too
>Having to put down
The Nishio Death Fortress says he's living
God, it's going to be amazing with current Orange's skills.
I can NOT wait to see it go rock 'em sock 'em with an Azazel-type.
How the fuck does this show's fights manage to be so consistently satisfying?
I think it's like falling into grail mud, or having your mind possessed by a devil. It eats way your conciousness instantly, but if you have a strong will, or you manage to "negotiate" with the festum in that perfect-understanding world, you can come back.
I liked the first episode. Psycho Pass has never been that amazing to me but the first episode of the second season was pretty cool. The movie was good also it had a lot of action scenes.
That's not really a problem to me. I loved how much of a jerk everyone was. It can put off some people, but for me was fun. The MoTW format wears quickly, but you can power through it while watching something else. The payoff when you watch Be-Evoked makes everything worthwhile.
If you want to overanalyze the festum I think it's questionable how "human" any of them are anymore. Mjolnir is a festum who says, "I am not Akane Makabe" but has a lot of her inside of it, while Koyo and Soushi are festums who say "I am (name here)". Just contacting them changes a lot.
He's right though. The Pacific Rim theme is substantially more hype.
Despite its lasers, Zero is a lot more like a Jaeger in terms of feel.
Clunky, massive, and it doesn't look like shit
Soushi is explicitly not a Festum, he just has an artificial Festum body.
My point was that it wasn't a thing of "strong will" it's more about circumstance and chance. Lots of strong-willed individuals had been assimilated and they changed the Festum, sure, but only three persons had ever come back and two of them are more Festum-like that human-like.
Like I said "circumstance and chance" Sein was a mayor player in whatever happened to Kazuki there. I always thought that Kazuki was almost assimilated.
Do we have any confirmation of what the hell happened on that scene?
>The Pacific Rim theme is substantially more hype.
If you're casual scum.
Pacific Rim is overrated garbage for casuals and surface level fans. I was glad that it's sequels funding is being siphoned away by King Kong and Godzilla.
Del Toro is vastly overrated.
Dai Guard did everything Pacific Rim tried to do better. Get better taste or go back to Aldnoah Zero and Cross Ange.
Umm, Tsubaki would be a fourth entity that kept a humanish mind, just got fused with some Mir when her mom got nommed. She was a human embryo before she got assimilated. Furthermore Saya decided to become the motherboard of a Mir powered computer once she got nommed.
Someone made a really good post pointing out the differences between Slave/Coagula/Master types a few threads back if you can find it.
Sein doesn't have a will, it's just an incredibly powerful tool for its wielder to exact their will.
The sequece was basically Festum trying to tell Kazuki he fucked up, and should give up and join them and he disagreed and with Tsubaki and the D-Island Mir's help, convinced that particular ball of the Festum hivemind to diverge in his direction. Mjolnir had already planted that seed, so it worked.
>in a Fafner thread
Also, Dai Guard didn't do silver screen live action better so checkmate, fag
I thought /tv/ actually liked del Taco
Just because you're in a Fafner thread doesn't mean you're not casual.
Also I could also say that Pacific Rim does being a boring pile of shit better than Dai-Guard and checkmate myself if I follow your logic.
>Someone made a really good post pointing out the differences between Slave/Coagula/Master types a few threads back if you can find it.
I somewhat remember that. Also, stop talking about Pacific Rim here, or Dai Guard for that matter. Make a thread for it if you want to talk about it.
Speaking of the various human Festum-types, I was skimming through episodes featuring Kouyo and thought this was interesting.
That conversation never really reached a verdict on Coagula and Core-types, but I guess they are distinct things.
It's over. Fafner threads are dead.
Did you just fucking ask if "I am here", you little Grendel-type? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Arcadian Project, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Mir, and I have over 1,000 confirmed kills. I am trained in Mecha warfare and I’m the top pilot in all of D-Island. You are nothing to me but just another pawn. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Island, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me telepathically? Think again, Festum. As we speak, I am contacting my operator in the Siegfried System, and your Azazel-type is being tracked right now so you better prepare for the storm, alien. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your existence. You’re fucking dead, bug. My Norns can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Razing Cutter. Not only am I extensively trained in Aerial combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Tatumiyajima Fafner Unit. and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable core off the face of the continent, you golden shit. If only you could have known what exacting retribution your little “clever” attempt at assimilation was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking thoughts. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you hiveminded idiot. I will SDP Gundrakes straight inside of you and you will die from it. That's checkmate, kiddo.
It has plenty.
Hey I built this. It killed my daughter and stepson, I ran away. Tomatsu kept it battle-ready though, presumably with upgrades to the Siegfried system to keep it from assimilating the pilots on start up.
Ok, then Core is its own thing.
Coagula types are the odd one out. Did we ever see one in the show? For some reason I feel like their was a scene where Solomon announces a "Coagula-type"
What about Blessing?
Side Material covered it
Grandma Nishio use to make Fafners.
This is in the early years of Fafner design while they were still fine tuning and learning how to incorporate the cores.
So ol' Grandma being the Japanese scientist she was built the biggest and strongest giant robot she could and gave it to her kid and their spouse
Except since they were still learning HOW to cores affected pilots the Zero proceeded to assimilate both of them in the test run. Grandma Nishio gave up on building giant robots after that because fuck that's not how giant robot animes are supposed to go. The super prototype ultra weapon made by someone's parent is meant to save the day, not just eat their pilot on the start up test.
Mitsuhiro would then take up development for a while before he fucked off but eventually gave up and moved on to smaller and more heavily backpacked things.
Zero was then left in the fish tank until both Akira and Rina managed to get their Fafners wrecked at the exact same time and since they needed bodies to fight they booted the Zero up and thanks to the advances made since then, the Zero didn't just eat them automatically but it still did a big number on them compared to Seri and Hiroto who only piloted Nothung models.
Now hopefully the Canon Memphis Accelerator(tm) will further alleviate these issues while also allowing it to shoot bigger and better lasers and hopefully make giant lasers swords from it's hands, and hopefully let the Nishio's have their third go at a Mir and have it actually work this time.
>Now hopefully the Canon Memphis Accelerator(tm) will further alleviate these issues while also allowing it to shoot bigger and better lasers and hopefully make giant lasers swords from it's hands, and hopefully let the Nishio's have their third go at a Mir and have it actually work this time.
Hype levels rising, and I already like the Zero Fafner.
Except it really isnt, the 2nd half is widely panned by most people and the final episode is almost universally hated, even the sales for the BD's decreased more than most do.
Hell here on /a/ and /m/ its really only mentioned when being mocked or by G-reco kun when he escapes from the loony bin for a night at an internet cafe
The wording isnt the problem, aldnoah zero is just not a popular or well recieved series, at one point early on yeah it was popular for the season but it flopped hard for most everyone watching and really only stayed relevant cause people hate the 2nd season that much(which it deserves, shit was CGR2 levels of bad). It isnt popular in the slightest at least in the west, i dont know about the east much but i know for a fact the nips fucking despised the ending
>implying somebody would recognize it
you can wear this and nobody would know what is this.
Nobody would know what it is but they'd definitely call you a weeaboo. Any attire that has Japanese writing on it is susceptible to that. With an Alvis logo, you probably wouldn't be called out on it outside of people who know what it's from. In general, company/organization/etc logos from anime are the best for shirts in public.
Well you already are, shitcunt. If you can't handle it, leave because
I choose to be here.
And if you're the same person that called the Zero Fafner the "type Zero", you are just as casual as can possibly be.
Oh, you're waifu is shit.
Yeah, the Zero Fafner would probably just kick the Type Zero's ass anyway.
The threads have started dropping in quality now that people keep mentioning fafner outside of this thread. I would rather have a no thread other than with discussion of the new episode. The filler threads between those are pointless.
>is sparking so much discussion and speculation and hype,
All I see in this thread is reposted speculation and discussion points from previous threads, filler posts trying to bump the thread and shirposting.
The only good thing this thread got is a proper translation of the Fafner timeline which is sure to become another copy pasta to add in every following thread.
Again, you're not obligated to post. If you're that offended the threads are perfectly ignorable six days of the week.
We're in what's almost guaranteed to be the final installment of a series we enjoy, with a disproportionately small number of people even aware of its existence. When else are we going to have the opportunity to get it out of our systems? Once Exodus ends that's it, barring any sort of movie sequel, it'll just be like any other slightly obscure series lucky to get a thread every few months, buried under the constant Gundam discussion.
Let's just enjoy it while it lasts.
Susanoo should be the next thread as it's the fourteenth machine.
There's plenty of new observations in just about every thread. A lot of that discussion is reposted and refined because people are asking questions.
You don't have to bother coming here at all, if it bothers you so much. There's other forums that discuss Fafner if you want. You should go complain about the myriad IBO threads too while you're at it.
I feel like there have been more webms made of the show in the last couple weeks than in all the months before that.
The threads are gonna be gone after the show finishes with intermittent ones popping up between the finale and
I couldn't really care less if there's a thread up or not I know, but since there is, I'm gonna post in it and enjoy chatting about the show.
>The super prototype ultra weapon made by someone's parent is meant to save the day, not just eat their pilot on the start up test.
It's like Nishio is a casual who only watched A/Z.
A lot of people in these threads are cycling in and out because they are rewatching or watching the series for the first time. I didn't really go to these threads until a couple weeks ago and mainly last week since I rewatched it. It is not like some cancerous hugbox general overstaying its welcome, a lot of people are interested in talking about it.
I suppose we're just assuming that fourth coat wearer = Dreizehn pilot. But that doesn't have to be the case.
While I accept that Misao could fill both roles, I can't help but wonder why he'd need to pilot a Nothung model. I'd think he should have abilities close to an Azazel type
Why would a ghost need a coat?
I'll be pretty pissed if Misao takes up the Dreizy though.
I mean, I think it's pretty obvious based on the fact that we didn't see her final sortie in Ep.17 that it's gonna be her in the Dreizehn too, but oh well, Japan is gay and has shit taste. Nothing new.
Is there anything of Ai--preferably that does not have her being raped by a Festum?
I don't know what her tag or anything would be.
アイ for just Ai
Super Dimension Phortress Alvis?
Is there a complete version of this?
It still makes me mad.