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Just like Luna episodes, im so tired of discord episodes as well...
So the series turned full animu and Discord has a Harem now. There's also tsundere Twilight, Yandere Pinkie and Shy Fluttershy archetypes as well.
Do you think Discord's being genuine here, or do you think he's up to something?
Personally, I can imagine Discord trying to be friends with the rest of the Mane 6, but is having trouble doing so (partly because they don't entirely trust him yet). So, he does something to get them to like him.
It can go one of two ways.
The simple way is that Twilight suspects Discord has done something to her friends to make them more affable towards him. In the end, she finds out her suspicions were false and she becomes more amiable towards Discord.
Or the "character's suspicions were right" route like in A Canterlot Wedding but this time Discord used a spell to make the ponies more friendly towards him and that resulted in their bonds growing. Twilight finds out, Discord apologizes, the Mane 6 are mad for a little bit, and then they forgive him and he learns a lesson about how you can't force people to be your friends or something along those lines.
I think it's going to be the former.
>Ending of the episode reveals Discord was using magic to hypnotize the Mane 5 (sans Fluttershy) into that they were all always great friends because it's too hard trying to be friends with them the normal way
How would you guys all react?
Frankly I would be sick and tired of Discord allowing to get away with shit like this and everyone just accepting it.
>S1: Two episodes with speaking roles
>S2: Four episodes with speaking roles
>S3: Two episodes with speaking roles (might have been four if it were a regular sized season)
>S4: Three episodes with speaking roles
>S5: 0 episodes, only appearance at all is in the background of Slice of Life
Why do they suddenly hate Zecora this season?
I have a bad feeling about this episode. I'm afraid it will be predictable as fuck with Discord mindcontrolling the Mane 6 because "they would never become friends with him otherwise". And then we'll get some bullshit moral that friendship can't be forced and has to be given time to develop. It will probably be written by Neal Dusedau, the writer of Princess Spike.
Or worse it's a retread of THAT fucking episode
Frankie deserved better treatment and if they pull the same shit for Twilight...
Firstly, what was wrong with that episode? It was one of my favorites and it was fun and had a decent message not to take everything at face value.
Second, if this upcoming episode does what you suggest and makes Twilight a nervous wreck mistakenly trying to prove Discord is up to no good when he's really not, all the faggots that hate Twilight for being "le perfect mary sue princess" will love the episode for making her at fault and wrong for once and praise it for shitting on her character.
>What was wrong with that episode
Frankie's point of view was completely reasonable: any sane person looking at Goofball with his human appearance, constant pauses that make it look he's making things up on the fly, and frequent inability to give a straight believable answer would give anyone doubt. For the message you claim it provides not to take things at face value, you seem to forget that literally everyone else did EXACTLY THAT: believing Goofball's honestly shady as fuck story without a second thought. Frankie was completely in the right to think he was up to something, and all of it could have easily been avoided if he had just taken off the clown nose in the first minute.
What's more, Goofball was a total shit, making Frankie's stressful job harder than it already was to his antics, and the concert she was dreaming of going to since before he arrived is ruined by his mere presence. No body sees it from Frankie's point of view, is consistently shit on by the rest of the cast in support of this new asshole that just showed up out of the view, her dream concert she is forbidden from going from to this concert she works her ass off for the entire episode because she tried to prove a point that in no way negatively affected this shitlord. And then they all have the fucking gall to mock her about how great the concert was upon arrival back from it. It was just one of the most unpleasant, mean-spirited treatment of a good character who doesn't deserve the shit she's putting up with. It's like the Simpsons episode where everyone shits on Bart and pushes him to suicide for losing a kids' baseball game.
Frankie did literally nothing wrong and was punished and ostracized unfairly for a shit reason. It was god-awful. If the message was not to take everything at face value, then they should have given Frankie the trust she's earned.
>all the faggots that hate Twilight for being "le perfect mary sue princess" will love the episode for making her at fault and wrong for once and praise it for shitting on her character.
Shitting on a character is never a good way of developing them. I'm all for Twilight being flawed and making mistakes but if anyone blames her for doubting Discord I ask them to remember that time he nearly SENT AN INNOCENT PONY TO ANOTHER DIMENSION just because she was having fun with one of his friends. Not to mention that Twilight already had this problem in Lesson Zero, three years ago: she's not the type to get overly obsessed anymore and re-doing that would undo tons of development for her.
I know this is bait, but constantly giving a support character an idiot ball that was also always loyal to the show's main protag is never a good idea and is the main reason why spikefags are so vocal about how he is handled.
Additionally giving a poorly handled support character his own episode(s) each season is almost always a bad idea. Atm, the only good episodes that focus on him are episodes where he is paired with other main characters.
>re-doing that would undo tons of development for her.
Not all character development is a good thing anon.
One of the things that made Twilight relatable as a character early on is that the show wasn't afraid to show that although she had a great deal of strength, she also had her fair share of flaws, was vulnerable at times and often needed the support of Spike and her 5 close friends.
She isn't going to lose any of her maturity if the show has an episode where she is knocked down a peg or two.
IT IS written by the guy who wrote Princess Spike. Confalone already confirmed that.
I'm pretty sure such noobish writer probably went the "Discord mind control and act like an asshole" route. And Meghan approved it because
A) she like Discord as an asshole (thus his betrayal in TK)
B) she want Twilight to always be right and smarter than Discord.
I disagree, in fact I would say that her insistent behavior of demanding the others believe her is what pushed the others toward acting the way they did and as such made what she got deserved because of it. It's been a while since I saw that episode, but if I remember correctly she steadily grew more and more hysterical toward the others through out and refused to consider how they felt about it because she was so sure of herself.
Now on the other hand, we have something like ACW where a somewhat similar plot took place, but in this case Cadance was somebody that Twilight did know personally and wasn't some complete stranger like goofball was, so the plot falls flat there because she would have reasonable doubt about Cadances authenticity.
See, this is dumb because Spike as a character has been written well through out the whole series, but people selectively focus on specific poorly written episodes or episodes where they didn't like a character's portrayal to form some overarching idea of how the character is written or portrayed.
And then there's this shitty attitude.
>A character has to be relatable and flawed to be a good character, and as soon as they experience any development that pulls them out of that niche they are no longer a good character
>"Not all character development is a good thing"
What, in this case, makes it bad? Because the episode it happened in was rushed? Because Twilight grew out of making mistakes and having flaws as much as she had in earlier seasons?
And why do you feel the show needs an episode to "knock her down a peg or two"?
What's confusing me so far is that I'm trying to figure out if "sneaky snake" was an actual attempt at a joke or if it's to showcase how unreasonably over-the-top Rainbow is being with Discord. If it was what the writer actually thought was humor, I'm incredibly worried this episode will be horrible and filled with "lol so random" shit using Discord as its arbitrator.
Look, an inherent part of Twilight's personality is that she needs to have things under control. Most of the time this is good because it leads her to see problems coming before they happen and makes her dedicated to any task she takes on. However, its downside is that she can end up falling into a panic when she doesn't understand something.
I don't want this episode to just repeat Lesson Zero, but it would make perfect sense for her to get stressed about something that doesn't appear to make sense even if there isn't really any danger. Caution is in her nature.
But Goofball was a total stranger to all of the other Foster's residents as well: they had no more evidence on hand to prove he was who he says he was than Frankie had evidence he wasn't (arguably even less, since Goofball so stubbornly refused to take off the fake nose, looks 99% human, and who's attitude of being a general freeloader making Frankie's life a hell should have lost some cred for him as well).
And through all of that, the worst part of it was how she was punished: Herriman forcing her to miss the concert was entirely unjustified and undeserved. She works harder than every single asshole who lives in this joint, despite Goofball's antics never for a moment failed to accomplish her work all the same, and was only forbidden from going for putting on a costume and attempting to prove a point on how easy it was to fool Herriman into how easily he could mistake a human for an imaginary friend (a point she PROVED: Herriman fell for it hook line and sinker). Such a 'betrayal of trust' wouldn't hardly qualify as anything worse than a harmless prank in any other episode but this one, and despite her busting her ass for the other 90% of the episode she's still forced the shit end of the stick with no one else standing up for her despite all she does. It's just horribly distasteful to watch this poor girl put up with this kind of bull.
Her hysteria should have given them reason to prove she was wrong, not tell her to shut up, stop doubting this believably shady prick, and get back to work and then screw her over when she doesn't accept such a draconian demand.
That clip was so unnatural and humorless that i was 90% sure that Discord was mind controlling her (and thats why they were speakiing at the same time)
If thats not the case then Neal Dusedau just suck dicks at writing (and Meghan at editing)
Not much about jealousy, but Twilight just not buying that Discord suddenly changed for the better. After Threes a Crowd and Twilight Kingdom, She will think twice or thrice to trust him.
If he mind control them then fluttercord is ruined. And Twicord, PinkieCord and SpikeCord too! There is no way they will just forgive this fuck up and befriend him in a normal way.
Discord is pissing me off.Woudn't be better to fuck(non literally) with bg ponies and other townsfolk while fucking(literally) mane6? He really tries hard to be disliked. Soon even the audience will get tired of his shit. He need to find a purpose in his life.
The ride's heading towards a stop with the movie.
Besides, knowing him he'd probably just make a meta joke about screwing around with background ponies.
He is too busy jerking off to his petty plans like turning Twilight's tea into coffee or placing a farting pillow on her throne. His entire cool personality and creativity died after RoH.
Neal Dusedau, the guy who only wrote Princess Spike so far.
Post the face of /mlp/ when seeing this episode.
See, that's where I disagree that the others were in the wrong: because goofball was a complete stranger her immediate suspicions were relatively unfounded
>But she proved to Herriman it was possible by pretending to be an imaginary friend herself
Which comes off as a little bit immature, don't you think? Similar to how Spike tried to frame Owlicious by faking he slaughtered a mouse. I think, regardless of the persons previous merits, if they pull some devious unwarranted trickery like that they deserve punishment. Not once did she calmly try to explain her doubt, instead choosing to act obnoxious about it and try to prove it with forced actions.
But it seems you may have some bias towards Frankie as a character that might have affected how you took certain treatment of her. That's understandable, and rather quite reflective of Spikefan's views regarding this show.
Josh Haber and Natasha Levinger both had hit-or-miss episodes their first season through, I won't be so reactionary toward this case.
Yeah, my hopes are pretty much in the shitter now. Discord's jokes are going to be cringeworthy, bland, and completely out of sync with anything happening in the episode. But it's ok cause he's Discord haha get it!
Is it just me or has twilight become a darker shade of purple?
Can't wait when they will get keked and FS with Rarity starts dating other stallions. They will become as much respected as Snip&Snails. Their entire arcs is nothing but creating or being part of a random gag.
I actually liked a couple of her MLP episodes.
It's been said her Spongebob stuff was only good because it was co-written by other people, but I mean SaYS was incidentally co-written between three and it still turned out like shit.
>only wrote Princess Spike so far
Fucking kill me pls
Discord is Discord, he is going to make random gaga no matter if it's Dusedau or McCarthy or Larson.
I'm more worried about shitting on his entire character by making him unsufferable. The noobish writer need to realise that making entire episode about him actning like an asshole would no longer work after Tirek episode. I still hope it's the episode where Discord is right, but my expectations are low.
But his randomness always has a point, like annoying people, being patronizing, or while doing something. If he's just random for the sake of random with nothing leading up to it or coming of it, it'll be shit, especially if it's a ton of gags where each of the mane 5 are all cracking up at the randomness, which is the direction I suspect they're going with this.
I disagree with your disagreement. Her immediate suspicions weren't unfounded at all: none of Goofball's story checked out until the very end of the episode. There was every possible chance what Frankie suspected was true but not a single fuck was given to the possibility, nor was any attempt made by the others to fairly discount any of her reasonable claims. I realize that ALL of the Fosters residents are, by definition, freeloaders, but his particular rude attitude was never addressed either.
Was it immature? Maybe but look at this freaking madhouse they live in. Herrimen of all friends doesn't have any moral high grounds in terms of maturity. The most mature fucker in this entire show is the 8 year old.
Did it prove her point? It did, absolutely. The difference between Spike's framing of Owlicious and Frankie's fooling Herrimen is that A) Frankie's issue wasn't based in jealousy, but in how this new guy was treating her like dirt and his clearly dubious background, and B) Frankie's point was entirely justified: Herrimen will mistake any human for an imaginary friend with minimal amount, which is what she wanted so he would think again about Goofball. Spike's trick wasn't based on proving any kind of point and was strictly for getting his opponent in trouble. It's more akin to that one trickster imaginary friend than Frankie's actions.
I may be biased towards Frankie as I would have little issue if this happened to a shithead like Bloo, but Frankie is just about the nicest and most honestly GOOD person on this show. To see an episode shit on her for the flimsiest of reasons is viable for leaving a bad taste in the mouth.
I'm too lazy to change the filename, but this fit perfectly.
At least the drama will be nice
i'm just happy only because i'll wait for the tears
it's going to be beautyfull
Well then, let's just agree to disagree and avoid turning this thread into "Foster's Home episode debate".
Implying it hasn't already
I forgot how cute that laugh was.
For fucks sake this better not turn into yet ANOTHER attempt by Discord to cause disharmony for a greater evil. Let him be a dick, yes, fine, but this whole "learned mah lesson bout being a douche" needs to stop.
Well, there goes all my hype. This has potential to be one of the worst episodes of the show if he turns Discord into an asshole again. You'd think he'd know by now that mind control isn't how you make friends.
Post yfw /mlp/ overeating all over again and, at the end, it's a good episode.
>You'd think he'd know by now that mind control isn't how you make friends.
I don't think he'd need it. He's got a lot of nigh-omnipotent power with which he could indulge his friends, which could certainly make it fun to hang out with him.
Hell, that might actually be what leads to the problem in this episode. Discord being -too- nice and helpful with his godlike powers, and his new friends taking advantage of that and letting their influence over him go to their heads. Maybe they start asking for increasingly extreme favors, or start roping him into various schemes and generally taking advantage of him?
I mean, seriously. If you had a friend who was basically a god, who was also kind of lonely and desperate for attention, don't you think it's possible that you might end up taking advantage of him even if you didn't originally intend to?
And his previous credits are Fish Hooks and Johnny Test. His background is short and not impressive and he did a shit job with his first MLP episode. Since he obviously couldn't learn anything between writing that one and this upcoming one, I'm convinced it will have the same "humor" as his other stuff, which is shit.
>directing someone to a post that's already a reply to them
What does that matter? People were apprehensive about him before that episode and were completely justified in the end. Don't forget, he can't learn from his mistakes because these episodes were already produced. If he felt his first episode was good, then why would his formula change for this one?
This is going to piss me off, I can already tell.
Yeah, but the source is Twitter, not this thread. For the source to be this thread it would have to include posts from this thread. Since it's a screencap of Twitter, that's the correct source.
I want to say Merriwether Williams, but she has a long history of writing credits with some great stuff in it.
I don't have any confidence that this guy will improve at all till next season.
fuck you know amerikeks are lazy as fuck when they can't even be bothered to understand what parts are funny or not in a show
Everything twillight touches goes to hell in a hand bag. From Flutterbat to having a town inflatuated by a doll because she needed a "friendship problem" to making the parasprites eat every single thing. Yeah the list goes on, far cry from perfect.
That episode will now be known to me as the one where Twilight induced uncontrollable farting to everyone in town.
God damn it I'm dying
>"Spike, we have to stop this before the methane levels get too high! The slightest spark and Ponyville will be nothing more than a fart in the wind!"
really though, on the subject of Twi being elevated by Celestia and her friends, I think it's just another thing about friendship. Friendship is about potential and the ability to learn from each-other, not about being perfect. Twilight is being elevated into higher and higher friendship-based positions, and while it's giving her status, it's in no way making her perfect. She's short-sighted, tends to not understand what other people desire, and often tries to brute force problems to fix them.
It's pretty close to being objectively bad in that there are clear moments where the audience goes "Wait, this doesn't really make sense."
It presents Spike's actions as taking advantage of Twilight's name, but the stuff that he does that sets up the failure at the end is done when he's still trying to help Twilight. The stuff he did when he was "selfish" did literally nothing.
The narrative is trying to push the viewer in one direction when a completely opposite view of the events seems obvious to them. It's why the episode is so weird. It seems contrived and not based in its own reality.
I would argue that it was
not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, just like with EqG and season 3.
So, if the title is referencing "What about Bob?", then Discord will have actually genuinely made friends with everyone, and Twilight is going to be made out to be the bad guy until the end when Discord saves her perception by saying or doing something that redeems her actions and teaches the lesson about not thinking the worst of people like in Party of One, but in a different flavor.
>not a single background pony
>suddenly Dash, his biggest hater is laughing at his jokes
>She copy his moves
>He turn into snake
Yup, that look fishy alright. Even if is just Twilight overreacting, at least we can understand her position. I would do the same. Especially knowing that Discord have a thing toward Twilight and She knows that he will try to annoy her somehow.
He is going to have a scene with every Mane6. There will be no time to show Princesses. Or any Ponyville character for that matter.
Twilight confronts Discord + ending message
I want a greentext where Rainbow Dash is taking advantage of Discord. He is clueless about sex and she would fool him into eating out her pussy. Or telling him to turn into a smaller snake and "find the reason for her itch in nether regions"
Its still unrealistic and wierd that Dash befriended him in just 3 days to the point of synchronising her movement with his. It's either Discord controlling her or shitty writing and character inconsitency.
The worst moment was the Yak episode. Celestia fucking said Twilight saved the day when all she did was run around and panic. Pinkie saved the day and Celestia didn't thank her? Swear to god Meghan had a role in that, knowing she's obsessed with Twilight. Thank god she's leaving the show
Doesn't help that
she's getting a pupil in the finale in Starlight Glimmer. So yup Twilight gets even MORE stuff while her friends get jack shit. Thanks Meghan, you sure did listen to people's legit complaints
Boy, you sure come off like a whiny cunt just to inform you.
The whole Yak visit was Twilight's idea and execution. Pinkie merely saved the day when Twilight's plans failed. It was still her base idea though, as a politician, even though she nearly started a war.
the finale, who gives a shit? Wait and see how it goes.
They do bring up the Zebra homeland in the journal of the two sisters, but it doesn't have anything specifically to do with Zecora besides a short history on why Zebras developed potions and such.