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Welcome to the thread for discussion and homebrew projects related to the Equestria Divided setting.
Equestria Divided is an alternate universe where the Mane 6 are no longer friends. They've gone their separate ways, to form factions that vie for dominance in Equestria.
>Moon and Star:
>Moon and Star Inquisition:
>Cult of Laughter:
>Shadow King's Horde
>One page fantasy rules
Alright, here are the cropped units from last thread, in case someone missed them
>it can't possibly be that hard to colour one of the soldiers
TURNS OUT IT'S HARD AFTER ALL
I decided to start again, do some colour mockups. This is really outside of my skills and comfort zone.
This image is small and simple, so I'll probably be able to clean it up enough that it might not be a complete eyesore at 70x70, but that's it.
to be honest, it's decent enough, and on that note, for those that already made legions or armies of each faction with the tables, it would be cool if they had colors asociated with them.
Anyone want to take a stab templating some of the units, so any idiot(like myself), can go and paint them?
Mockup of a Whitegold Militia token.
How does the general style and colours look?
Should tokens have a small border?
Not sure how well it lends itself to that.
>The Horned Way
Assassins of Dawn and Dusk are the most dangerous assassins in Equestria, and eliminate of the most dangerous rivals of House Moon and Star.
Their success is in no small part due to their training in the horned way.
With but a thought and a flash of their horns, a house assassin can target the most vital areas on any pony, crippling or killing them with ease.
Paralysis, selective amnesia, organ failure, and insanity, can all be caused through masterful use of the horned way.
You COULD perhaps just crop the head and expand to 70x70, but I'm not terribly sure that doing so won't stretch it out and make it all ugly. Tell me what you think.
And I sharpened up the image and got rid of the background color. I'm a scrub with paint.net, and it shows.
Here. It's not clean, but it's from my "raw" files.
I'm still partial to the whole body model. If feels better for scale, and if you just do heads
which is admittedly easyyou end up with having to recognize everything by the headshot only.
Give me a minute and I'll show you something.
Damn sight better than my attempt. I like full-body models, too; it just occurs to me that trying to make the entire image fit in a 70x70 square is going to end up sacrificing a lot of detail. Maybe I'm wrong. I dunno, I don't work with this stuff often.
I would say a strong colour theme for each army would carry the day better, taking advantage of distinct silhouettes to identify between units.
White for Whitegold
Blue for Storming
Red for M&S
Brown for Earthborn
Green for Ever free
Pink for Cult
Borders would help make the units 'pop' out against the backdrop terrain.
Alright, I might be late as balls but now I'm ready to rock!
Would anyone like to make an Earthborn army?
>Red for M&S
Why not purple? There are a lot of shades of violet that are distinct enough from blue to avoid confusion with Stormwing, escpecially if you make Stormwing a lighter shade, plus it would fit well with the whole, y'know, Twalot thing.
See, these guys come in units of ten. Imagine you're seeing the battlefield top down, seeing all the units.
This is one of those. Here, the full body just works better than only the head.
>I dunno, I don't work with this stuff often.
This is my first time colouring anything.
Except for colouring books with crayons, and that's been a while.
I'm somewhat torn on that. I'd agree that a general colour profile is good for each faction, but that should mostly lie in armour and apparel, as it feels awkward if we expand that as a colour rule for fur.
Agreeing about the borders though.
I think I'm smelling what you're stepping in, now. My experiences come from pnp games, not wargaming, so I admit that I tend to think more in terms of the individual rather than the unit.
Iunno. Red is a more distinct colour than purple to me but that's entirety personal preference. Perhaps purples for the 'soldiers' and red for the inquisition.
I didn't mean fur colour. I mean I could definitely see the 'die hards' dyeing their fur though.
The Cult is way too big, and controls way too much land.
I find it hard to believe they have almost no in-fighting, and are a united force.
Yorick was absurdly biased towards them.
>I find it hard to believe they have almost no in-fighting, and are a united force.
They do have some stated in-fighting, between the Jesters and Harlequines, its just not very fleshed out.
It's kind of hard for there to be in-fighting when they're all bound together through dark magic insanity, but they do have a little.
Through the Astral Plane, and through the donations personally made by its members.
They're guerrila fighters, they don't normally have much at all except what they are able to scrounge together or get through their evil magic supplied by the Laughing Mare
Roughly how it would look token-sized.
Not pleased with the colours here.
Members of the Flim Flam Folly
>Flim Flam Brothers – founders and leaders of the Folly, inventors and traders who sell their designs and inventions to the highest bidder
I'm so happy they're alive in ED. I love these guys, and killing them off would have been edgy even by the standards of this setting.
Well they do have a modus operandi, and its pretty simple. Bring the Laughing Mare into Equestria, which is presumably something as dramatic as if the Everfree covered the whole land or if Twilight became an Alicorn.
I think a part of the reason a lot of the Cult's inner workings and culture is left unknown is twofold
On the one hand, the Cult is meant to be spooky and shit so they probably want it to have an allure of mystery by not defning everything as clearly as other Houses.
On the other hand, the reason they aren't so well defined is because I don't think they have a very uniform culture. I have to imagine that the Cult of Laughter society that operates in one part of Equestria is pretty different from the Cultists who operate in another. I tried to reflect this a little when I made my Cult Cell creation table by making the very first roll deal with exactly WHERE in Equestria the cell is located.
Another way I like to think of it is this. The Cult of Laughter is kind of like the Catholic Church in the early/high middle ages. They're pretty much united by the same beliefs and work for pretty similar goals and tend to have the same enemies, but if you look at the Catholic Church in France at the time and then compare it to the Church in Poland, then you'd find that they have a number of cultural differences because of the society that surrounds them.
Well yeah, I imagine that the magic HAS to be the same all across the board, because its all coming from the same source. The Laughing Mare is pretty much the single most important thing unifying the cult together and I imagine her constant influence on each of their members is what help keeps the whole cult from infighting. Kind of like how the Everfree Liege is what unites the different Everfree Tribes together.
I'm a little iffy with how the Everfree Liege works, but I still think its kind of similar in a way.
Granted, the Laughing Mare has a spiritual connection with virtually EVERY cult member, while the Liege doesn't, but they seem like similar beings in the way they affect their respective houses.
From what I understand, you have certain members who are supposed to have a really strong connection to her and who apparently hear her will clearly and constantly, like Pumpkin and Pound Cake and the High Prophets.
As for most of the rest of the Cult, they supposedly have a much less coherent connection, but they do receive visions or hear voices and experience other strange phenomena. I especially think that when a pony first joins the Cult that they experience the Laughing Mare in some strong capacity. For many ponies, this is likely what drives them so mad.
I was thinking that some ponies, by doing certain actions, could trigger "enlightening nightmares"
For instance, lets say Claud is in the cult.
When Claud goes to town and performs, certain "sensitive" ponies(probably foals, fillies and colts), would likely get dreams leading them down the path to joining the cult.
Uhhh, vectorfag here. I've really enjoyed ED content so far and it has a lot of potential... soooo if you guys want I could vector some units and if ya'll like em I could try and do more. Here's some of my past work.
meant to quote: >>25366495 in my first post
Okay, well if you guys are up for it... what unit should I do first?
Is namefagging acceptable?
Really cool art! How about some generic leader-type Ponies?
For instance, a sort of "Magister" for Moon and Star, or a merchant-noble for Whitegold.
Namefagging is fine.
Sure, this will get the treatment first.
Got a reference that I could work from?
I think like this, but less ostentatious or ornamented would work. Magisters could wear an amulet that looks like the center of Twilight Sparkle's cutie mark.
In the Goldenleaf Woods, a large portion of it is walled off, and filled with various races.
Ponies, Zebras, Unicorns, Griffins, and Bufalo all forced into this expanse.
The 5th Legion controls this territory, and regularly sends in troops for training, not allowed to return until they produced a severed head.
A member of the 5th Legion is expected to be an independent thinker, and to use their guile and subterfuge to achieve their goals.
When ordered into the Goldenleaf woods, some of them doff their uniforms, and look for a group of survivors to befriend, before stabbing in the back.
Others create devious traps, to ensnare their quarry.
Others create hiding spots, and wait for days to ambush a prospective target.
This sort of extreme training keeps the Legion's size relatively low, but breeds elite soldiers.
Here's a progress bump. Lineart always looks shitty.
I've been thinking about the various sorts of ways Twilight Sparkle could become corrupted in ED.
>Adapts the black magic of Sombra, and develops the characteristic green eyes that smoke.
>Spends more time spiritually on the astral plane, and starts becoming altered because of it.
>Twilight Sparkle learns magic that lets her drain the life or souls of others.
>Twilight Sparkle finds the Rainbow of Darkness, or a derivative of it. She corrupts her element of magic into the element of power, and becomes empowered as a result.
I'm a Moon & Star man myself. The knight's main body is line-arted. It's reaaal late here so I'ma get some rest. I'll finish the mace tomorrow and colour/shade it too. Will post ASA-finished.
>least popular faction
Does that make me a hipster?
So, there are inquisitors, and legionnaires. But they can't be the law and order in Moon and Star. They are far too important for that.
Who does the hoof-stomping and teeth-smashing? The Unicorns from the Bureau of Unicorn integrity, right?
What an ugly and awkward name yorick chose for them.
There are inquisitors.
I think that there institution is pretty ambiguous, though. I was a big fan of "Inquisitorial Acolytes", like from Warhammer 40k.
I'm only asking these questions, because I want to write some green about Moon and Star executing some captured, non-important Apples from Earthborn.
And I need to get the lay of this.
I was thinking the execution would be a complete mess, like how the Bolshevik execution of the Romanovs was a messy, 20-minute long affair.
>Warmage Comet Tail - commander of the military arm of the Moon Guild
So he' the commander of the 5th legion.
If it was an important Apple, it'd be like Applebloom.
But I don't want to off any characters important to the setting. Applejack has so many relatives, she can stand to lose a few.
I've completed Phase 1, this means the army list is more or less complete but not 100% balanced.
It's actually not balanced at all, it's fucking broken as shit, nigga.
Still want to add in two more spells before I do the major balancing tweaks.
Just minor things, nothing is outright broken beyond belief. It isn't as bad as some of the other early versions of the faction lists.. but it lacks a certain polish and numerical balance.
I haven't done the hard math on the units yet, just guestimates.
Unlimited Monster spam.
Stormwing is cool. I like Whitegold more, but still.
>But they can't be the law and order in Moon and Star
You probably have a less militarized domestic force for that sort of thing. Being a repressive society, I'd guess it's something like a military police, and then the Inquisition and its goons works outside that framework.
>typical living quarters for a 2nd-Class Citizen in Moon and Star
Morning guys! I'm going to go ahead and dump my Earthborn Army Creation table.
Also, here are my two other tables for House Moon and Star and the Cult of Laughter for anyone who's interested in making either a legion or a cell.
The first roll for creating your very own Earthborn army deals with the army's roots. Roughly when this army was formed and who at least initially made up its members.
This military force has its roots in a town or city militia, a collection of ponies who banded together to protect their settlements from outsiders, strange foreign peoples, and monsters. They were likely appropriated by House Earthborn after it was formed, and heavily drilled into the fighting force they are today, although they may still have heavy ties to a specific area and other quirks that predate the House.
This army was one of the first to be raised up entirely by the House itself. It is roughly as old as House Earthborn and thus has likely evolved as the House itself grew into the society it is today. It is also likely that this force played a role in some of the House’s earliest battles and crises, such as the first battles with House Everfree.
This particular army is a fairly recently made unit of soldiers who willingly joined up to fight with the House for a variety of reasons, ranging from ponies who possess idealistic views of their house to ponies who simply wanted to join and fight out of glory or wanderlust.
This fairly recently raised army is made up of ponies who were more or less forced to join the House’s military, and could not serve the house in any other way aside from being frontline soldiers.
The next roll deals with the general size of your army and gives a rough idea of where it strategically stands as an element of the House's military
A regiment is generally large enough to be considered an army in its own right but is also small enough that it can fill a specialized niche roll as part of a larger force. It typically acts as its own independent force and can sustain itself in most situations.
A brigade is typically considered the ideal Earthborn army, and is more often than not quite large and fields a fair variety of troops.
A Division is the largest Earthborn army that is actively mobilized and used by the House, typically serving as the vanguard of most of the House’s campaigns.
A Corps is a massive Earthborn army that is almost only ever mobilized in the midst of a vital military campaign or in times of crisis. It possesses a huge amount of diverse soldiers, although it is also quite difficult to manage
Next we will roll for Army Type. This is extremely important as it will determine exactly what troops make up your army. Chances are, you will be making multiple rolls here depending on what you rolled for the size of your army
If Regiment, roll once
If Brigade, roll twice
If Division, roll thrice
If Corps, roll four times
The same Army Type cannot be rolled more than twice
This army consists of a large core of Ponies-at-Arms, Battle Buckers and Appaloosian Rangers, Hoof Cannoneers, and possibly other unit types depending on what other forces are present
This army consists of Pegasi Auxiliaries, Lightning’s Finest, Wing Cannoneers, and possibly other unit types depending on what other forces are present
This army consists of Buffalo Warriors, Buffalo Raiders, and possibly other unit types depending on what other forces are present
This army consists of Bucker Cannons, Behemoth Cannons, Headbutters, Fortbusters/Beastbusters, and possibly other unit types depending on what other forces are present
The next few rolls will deal specifically with creating the general of your army, who will have a very important influence over how your army fights. First, we roll for what Earthborn strategy your general favors.
Note: Regardless of the size of the army, its leader is formally looked upon as a general by the House leadership and rank and file soldiery
What tactics this general prefers does not necessarily preclude the presence of any soldiers in his army but does determine how effectively he may use them.
The next roll will determine who in House Earthborn your general is on good terms with, which can feasibly affect your army in a number of different ways
High General Big Macintosh
Master Engineer Applebloom
Elder Matron Granny Smith
General Lightning Dust
Supreme Commander Applejack
The last roll dealing with your general determines his reputation in House Earthborn. Note that this isn't necessarily an accurate summation of his skills, just how his ability as a general is perceived.
This general has unfortunately suffered a major defeat in battle in the past, one that may still haunt him to this day. Alternatively, he committed an atrocity that mars his reputation in the eyes of Earthborn's citizens
This general has likely suffered a number of military defeats in the past, or has repeatedly acted in a seemingly shameful manner
This general has performed well enough but has yet to show any true brilliance on the battlefield
This general has yet to have a real chance to prove his worth to the House
This general has routinely performed successfully in battle, or has seemingly acted in an honorable fashion on multiple occasions
This general has scored a number of military victories in the past, or has repeatedly acted courageously in times of need
This general has scored a major victory in battle for House Earthborn, one that likely was of strategic importance to the House. Alternatively, he personally did something so heroic that he is seen as a great soldier in the eyes of Earthborn's citizens
The last role determines which enemy of House Earthborn is considered the personal enemy of this army. Generally, who is it that the soldiers despise the most for whatever reason.
House Moon and Star
Cult of Laughter
That's all I got for Earthborn's table. Its a fair bit different from either of the other tables I've made before. Criticism or feedback is appreciated as always, and if you're interested I encourage you to try your hand at making an army of your own and coming up with a background story for it
Fuck son, I got a shitton of mudponies
fuck son, I got a shitton of metal mud ponies
more cunty dashie.. I don't understand how hasjew could make a character who was literally Rainbow Dash but more of a cunt but somehow they did.
Yeah, just give one of the most expensive and massively sized armies to a no-name. Fucking mud ponies.
fuck son, I got a shitton of metal mud ponies
You get MORE than just a shitton of metal mud ponies my friend.
Because you rolled a Corps, that means you get to roll for Army Type 3 more times!
>mfw I call someone a faggot before forgetting to take my name off
So you've got a shitload of infantry backed by Buffalo and a lot of artillery.
Pretty much most of the soldiers in your army were conscripted, the general hasn't done anything worthwhile yet.
I foresee many casualties in your future
Coincidentally, for an army of ponies that were pretty much forced to fight, the Cult is considered your biggest enemy.
>General Marmalade stood watch over his troops.
>Tens of thousands of lives stood before him.
>The overwhelming majority of the Earthborn Army.
>He knew so many of them would die
>And he would be the one to give that order.
>It had been many years since he'd seen his birth city.
>Manehatten, the wretched hole of depravity and opulence.
>The Big Apple some would say..
>It was jokingly called the Big Orange in his youth.
>He'd bring honor to his name and his family by reclaiming it.
>His forces stood ready, thousands of ponies-at-arms stood ready.
>Hundreds of war machines were ready to lay siege to the city.
>The buffalo themselves rallied beneath his banner for this cause.
>They would strike quickly and devastatingly.
>The Wall they built will crumble around them as he leads the charge.
>He had to call in quite a few favors from his.. drinking buddy.
>She could be a reliable sort when pressed at least.
>Her pegasi would give them the needed aerial support.
>Their force stood strong and ready but..
>He could hear the dissent, the whispers of discontent.
>Many of his soldiers never wanted to fight, so young yet burdened.
>His officers told him of general unease in his forces.
>He wouldn't stand for such a thing, he knew quite about their lies.
>He was so young then.. barely even an officer.
>They claimed his troop as easily as he peeled an orange.
>Their madness.. their laughter.. their music.. DO NOT REMEMBER!
>It is foolish to think of that path, they are his enemy.. nothing more.
>His hatred for them burns brighter than for the despoilers or the tyrants.
>Lightning gave him a good word, and his cousins believe in him.
>The Orange will retake the Apple.
7, 9: Heavy brigade
3 BAH, MEDIOCRE
That all being done, anyone who wants this can roll with it. I got my EB unit before the creation table was a thing.
Delivering on lineart! Colouring soon. I procrastinate a lot, sowwy.
No problem man! Just my way of trying to contribute and all.
I remember you!
The 10th Cavalry Regiment is among the (many) border units that monitor territory between House Earthborn and House Moon and Star. It's official task is to defend, but more importantly, detect M&S incursions into the Whitetail Woods (Known to Stormwing as WeissesSchwanz Wald). That is the official task however, and more often than not the units find themselves making incursions and raids into M&S territory, most commonly the liberation of lingering slave ponies. Without fail however, these units almost always retreat before a real battle can ensue, as the threat of escalation is omnipresent.
As a Cavalry unit, they consist mostly of Pegasi rather than Earth Ponies. Expected to fight a retreat against a major M&S Invasion, they are equipped to be mobile, and to be ranged, screening against M&S attacks while whittling and slowing them down. The fastest of the unit's Pegasi have however, not a combat role, but rather act as couriers, swiftly delivering reports of enemy activity to higher HQ.
Their tactics, naturally, are Lightning Assault.
Major Alacritous commands 197th Battalion, a unit that, in line with Regimental equipment, consists almost entirely of Pegasi Auxillaries, with Earth ponies around only to crew heavy equipment, most notably the unit's organic Bucker Cannons. The Battalion is subdivided further into Companies, and Companies into Platoons at a ratio of 2 Pegasi Warriors to 1 Wing Cannoneer team. The Major has made a name for himself over recent years as he has conducted several successful raids into M&S with the intent of liberating slaves, and capturing resources. Not once has he been caught. At least, not yet. But when he and his unit are caught, there is going to be one hell of a battle.
Made a quick army out of my new table
So from what I've gathered, this is a fairly young and green Brigade made up almost entirely of artillery units.
These are likely a huge mass of ponies who have grown up hating the Everfree and happily volunteered for a chance to bury the Everfree underneath their cannons.
What's this guy's name?
I want to add him to Moon and Star.
Oh wow, Yorick drew this. Not ED related, but still makes you think.
>Not ED related
This idea sort of gets recycled in some of his conceptual thoughts on how ED's plot would proceed. I take some of those with a hefty grain of salt, since some of them are decent but others are batshit insane.
>Applejack embarks on a crazy ritual to become literally earthborn, unable to be killed so long as she is in contact with the earth.
>Promptly goes full 1984, counterattacks against the changelings and establishes a 'ministry of truth' to eradicate the concept of a lie from Earthborn territory.
>Pretty much becomes the Imperium from 40k.
>Twilight goes full God-Emperor, succeeds at her ascension attempt rendering her obscenely powerful but needing to be hooked up to a life-supporting throne.
>She is unable to maintain her control over M&S, Sun and Moon guilds go full civil war while Trixie and the Inquisition gain even more power over the populace and Twilight both.
>Starswirl reveals to Cadance that he's actually part of some kind of astral plane being called the Magus
>Fluttershy finally breaks into Starswirl's old laboratory, uses whatever she found to reunite the various Everfree tribes at last
>Allegedly would reveal whatever the Everfree Liege is, along with involving another entity called the Green Mother
>Gets backstabbed by Griffons because... well, no reason is really given.
>Nearly gets wiped out, but the attack awakens a bunch of semi-immortal ancient pegasi warriors to aid them.
Cult of Laughter
>Finally sets up its first actual city, directly on top of old Ponyville
>Promptly goes contrary to the cult's entire situation up until this point, completely abandons their faction's dynamic up until this point in favor of trying to get everyone into Old Ponyville, where they experience reality as if the war never happened.
>Least happens here, really. They dig up a fuckoff huge gem that talks to Rarity, keeps repeating the names of all the new entities backing the various factions (Green Mother, Magus, Laughing Mare, those ancient pegasus warriors, etc).
>Not much else.
Keeping in mind that these were apparently very rough ideas and we don't know whatever lore Yorick had planned to link this all together, I have very mixed reactions to this:
Some things (Applejack becoming literally earthborn, Whitegold largely sitting out the whole mess, Starswirl finally getting up off his lazy ass and trying to coordinate with Cadance) make sense and are logical developments of the setting.
Other bits, though, are just bad. First off, the setting is no longer 'ponies doing what they think is right no matter the cost' but 'ponies used as chess pieces by their extradimensional entity of choice'. I don't like that, personally; one of the things I like about ED is that all the sides have a reasonably genuine rationale for taking the extreme positions they do. Turning everything into 'because the Chaos Go- er, Magus/Green Mother/giant fucking diamond said so' sits less well with me. On that note, it's also really obvious that Yorick was just cribbing some 40K storylines to fit the factions with these developments, which is bad too.
There's also a lot of 'because the plot said so!' kinds of actions here. Why do the griffons attack during what is Stormwing's strongest position ever? And why does Stormwing fail just hard enough to awaken those immortal warriors? For that matter, why exactly are there semi-immortal ancient pegasi running around now? BECAUSE OF PLOT! Why do all the Everfree factions suddenly get united by a macguffin? BECAUSE OF PLOT! Why does the cult completely switch the way it's acted so far? BECAUSE OF... you know, not even the plot answers this one.
I think these are garbage. I especially agree with you on the extraplanar creatures. ED should be about Ponies, not ponies being used as chess-pieces.
M&S is my favorite faction, so I'll critique what I think Yorick was doing.
I think becoming an Alicorn should be literally impossible for Twilight in this setting. I'd rather see her get corrupted, and gain power from another source(that doesn't have her turning into a pawn from that source, like Fluttershy and the Everfree liege).
Her being on life support is just a blatant rip-off of Warhammer 40k. I don't mind taking inspiration from Dune, 40k, or Nazis, but that is just venturing into Plagarism territory.
>She is unable to maintain her control over M&S, Sun and Moon guilds go full civil war while Trixie and the Inquisition gain even more power over the populace and Twilight both.
I don't think the dynamic between the guilds is well-established enough for people to even care about infighting. If there had to be a civil war, it'd make more sense if it was between Unicorns,and M&S's underclass.
>Starswirl reveals to Cadance that he's actually part of some kind of astral plane being called the Magus.
I can buy Cadance and Starswirl working together to redeem Twilight. But the whole "magus" thing is just bizarre, and comes way out of the left field.
I'm glad the setting never got that far, because quite honestly, I think we can do a better job.
>set up whitegold as a interesting and kind of unique faction
>clearly has no idea what to do with it since he can't force it into a warhammer storyline
>says "lel gems" and then abandons them
Fucking Yorick. Just about everything here reeks of bad writing.
It'd be better if it was a foul, flooded, and creepy ghost town.
And it'd make a great buffer zone between M&S and Earthborn.
Mainly the art, m8. This setting has better art than most alternate universe settings.
There's maps, info sheets and a lot of drawings.
If this setting had just been a bunch of greentext in a pastebin somewhere, I doubt anyone would have cared.
Pretty much my thoughts when I first saw it, yes.
It's weird - in grand, sweeping terms of 'how the setting is', Yorick's writing makes sense: He's pretty damn good with the unit descriptions and brief character introductions. The general feel for each faction makes sense, and I never said 'wait, it doesn't make sense for X to be there'. Each faction has their own vibe and it fits.
But, when he gets down to the nitty-gritty details of how the plot actually gets from A to B, he's shit. Both these ideas and his backstory for M&S are filled with huge logic gaps and conflicts with the rest of his own setting.
An obvious one is how Cadence and Shining Armour are suddenly racists/supremacists/something seemingly by the whim of the plot.
Canterlot doesn't make any sort of practical sense.
Cadance isn't a racist in ED. She's the one who proposes anti-slavery legislation. The better question is why the hell does an Alicorn Princess tolerate these people in the first place.
I guess she can't beat them yet, and has to bide her time.
Now, Shining Armor is in fact a racist in ED, and I think that's one of the biggest blunders in the setting. The only excuse is that his parents were killed.
Most of the plotholes are from show canon and what yorick tried shoving into the setting as the show's continuum kept expanding.
>Cadence and Shining Armor
Yorick's own words:
>Prince Shining Armor – de jure leader of the house, commander of M&S military forces
>Princess Cadence - head of the Church of the Celestial Sisters, spiritual leader of the house, creator of the Anti-Slavery Act
Cadence is a figurehead, she only has public support. There is no real power beyond her words since the legislature is controlled by a parliament/senate, her sister-in-law doesn't care as long as she gets her wings, and her husband doesn't care as long as his parents are dead.
Did pooryorick ever add in any more 'canon' stories like he did with the Earthborn one and Granny Smith telling Applejack that all the unicorns are evil and magic can only cause suffering.. even though it eluded to the Cult and that only a third of their high prophets are unicorns, and that their biggest abuser of necromancy is a fucking donkey.. BUT ONIKRNZ R EBIL!
>Prince Shining Armor – de jure leader of the house
Which makes no fucking sense. At all.
Unless Equstria's succession laws are funkier than James Brown, he has no real claim to that title. Remember, he's not related to the previous rulers, and has no title of his own. He married the a title holder, which makes him Prince Consort (different from being a titular Prince), and doesn't really have just claim to anything.
Cadence is adopted (as far as we know), but is still legally speaking related to the Royal Sisters, and holds an actual title.
Cadence should be the de jure leader.
For all we know, The Magisters and Shining Armor go behind Cadance's back, and enact legislation on her behalf.
But that still begs the question why Cadance even puts up with this.
Yeah, but the whole point of Twilight's role is that she let the de jure leadership be inherited (as it should), right? While she takes the role of de facto ruler.
No amount of power play can make Cadence NOT the de jure leader, unless Equestria's succession laws are fucked, or Twilight/Shining somehow directly changed the line of inheritance. And if they did that, it kind of defeats the point of even having a split between the de jure/de facto leader in the first place.
The current situation makes no sense, if Shining is the de jure head.
It's like if Elizabeth II died, and the Duchess of Cornwall became the "ruling" Queen.
Sometimes these things are complicated, anon, and some emotions have a more powerful hold than others.
Unless, of course, you're talking about her little mind magic bullshit, in which case your anti-slavery moral high ground is a complete crock.
The problem is, he's allegedly this way -before- his parents were killed.
It's probably a legalese truth: Shining Armor sits as de jure leader of Moon and Star as a separate entity, but not the actual regent of Equestria itself. Because Moon and Star regards the sisters as still out their somewhere, their thrones are in legal terms held open; no actual successor has been chosen. There's no succession crisis because, in legal terms, succession has not actually occurred.
If I had it my way, I wouldn't do that.
Keeping it short, because it's 5:30 AM here:
I'd have Shining be the Prince Consort and head of the armed forces.
If we let the whole racism thing slide (it's kind of another discussion), he would at the very least be likely to support his sister instead of his wife, because he supports Twilight's ideology/goal, while he thinks his wife is too weak.
As head of the armed forces, he kind of needs to be in Twilight's camp, or else Twilight wouldn't really be the powerful de facto leader she is.
Shining is kind of crucial for that power balance.
I'd have Cadence be the legal ruler of M&S, her title being "Princess of Equestria", AND head of the "faith".
The whole religious aspect of M&S is in my opinion one of the worst parts of it, because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. In the show, Celestia & Luna (C&L) are certainly revered in the way one reveres leaders and idols, but not in a blatantly religious manner. Neither do they seem to have some sort of well-formulated creed or theological role. When Yorick made this religion thing, he was just ripping off Warhammer while being very, very lazy.
Religion requires tradition and some sort of theology, which in ED's case must have been developed in the last 15 years. It's just bad and uninspired.
You could fix it by making it more of a doctrine, and ideology. It fits M&S's general theme more, and it makes the Not-Pope role easier to handle. Because Cadence is the inheritor of C&L's realm, she is also the inheritor of their legacy, their creed (as formulated by the Guilds and the Inquisition, naturally). Make it less religious, and integrate it with the ruler title.
Now the lore is less messy, Shining has a clearer role, and Cadence has some spot.
>here's no succession crisis because, in legal terms, succession has not actually occurred.
Interesting, but I don't see how it legitimises Shining's claim to de jure leadership any more.
It just seems like a piece of bad writing, honestly.
Adding to this:
As far as I'm aware, unless a specific regent or regency council has been appointed, it is customary for regencies to follow the line of succession. Cadence would then have a claim to the title of Princess Regent. Shining Armour is not in the line, and would then only take take the role if some entity with enough legal authority could appoint him Regent instead of his wife. Which would require good reason.
The essence of what I'm saying is:
If Shining Armour is the Regent, it didn't happen by itself. Something rather major went down.
That's probably a good way to look at it. More New Age/cheap Buddhism with an ideological side, less Catholicism.
I've been developing 2 substances for use in M&S society.
Aetherium, and Alicorn blood.
Mined from beneath Canterlot, Alicorn blood is a liquid element that's red, and flows from stone. When it precipitates, it forms a crystalline substance that can hold magical energy.
When in liquid form, it can be consumed to enhance a unicorn's magical abilities, and enhance a unicorn's connection to the astral plane.
I was thinking that ritual drug use would be a part of M&S religious ceremonies.
I don't know if I'm onboard with that, Anon.
The crucial point of M&S "religion" is that it derives it's legitimacy by being essentially the state-enforced and normalized legacy of the Royal Sisters, right? That's the whole reason it isn't just blatantly "Twilight's Teachings" or "How the State wants you yo Think". It needs to, at least superficially, show some sort of connection with the royal sisters.
If the Catholic Church introduced a ritual that had nothing to do Christ, his teachings, or the Catholic canon, it holds little legitimacy.
What does ritual drug use have to do with Celestia or Luna? Why is this a religious matter?
You really need to justify it in that context to have it make any sort of sense.
I can't, and won't, attempt to stop you from working on that aspect. But it's not what I would do.
I was thinking that the Unicorn race is starting to evolve itself. I technically don't need to frame it in a religious context, but it was mostly as a way to to put in the tabletop, an item that would let spellcasters reroll failed power dice.
M&S Magic goes well beyond what we've seen in the show, there has to be a reason for it.
You can't fault the "magical battery" part, though.
Man, I remember back in the day when this was a quest thread! Those were the days... why, I helmed House Whitegold with a couple of other chaps and we did admirably well. We partnered up with House Everfree and scrubbed our cities of Cultist influence. It was fun as hell. This looks fun, too, but it was certainly also entertaining to roleplay everything and test our creativity.
aw come on man you're being pretty subjective right now. You might not enjoy it, but a bunch of us had a great time! I think it's more fulfilling to create your own story with your mates and be an essential character in the tale than to play Warhammer: Ponythousand, but that's just my opinion! Actually, now that I think about it, I'd probably play both.
Would you guys be up for a writefag?
I've been lurking ED for a while and while I'm not that interested in the roleplay aspect I really like the world.
If you'd like it I can write a little warfic. I'm thinking Earthborn vs. Moon and Star. Anyone interested?
I want to start it up, but honestly I've only seen a couple of people contribute anything when I've asked for it. It's hard to get motivation when very few people seem interested. Or maybe I'm just bitching I dunno.
Fuckn do it mang.
Go ahead. From who's POV is it?
Look at it it this way.
On /tg/ when people do quests, a lot of the time, there's no way to guarantee how successful it is. I've seen some start from humble beginnings, to over 100 parts.
Moon and Star really needs an answer to Earthborn artillery.
I think that huge barrier that solidifies on artillery impact would do the trick.
The onus would be on Earthborn, to wade into Moon and Star lines to forcibly disable these barriers.
And I'm not talking from a tabletop perspective. I'm talking about a lore perspective.
Using one of those huge magic boosting statues to 'curve' trajectories away from the front line could also work.
The shield is more surefire but takes vastly more effort to maintain and his harder to recast if it gets broken.
Both a passive and an active defensive system.
I was thinking the "big shields" Would only be put in very important places, like towns or extremely strategic passes.
Canterlot's shield is absolutely overkill, though, not even letting non-Unicorns in.
I like the bending idea.
Nice. It'll make a nice contrast to the story where my Auxilia execute some Apples ;^)
It's better to just make OCs for these kinds of things.
I'm pretty sure Pound Cake is a prophet. He has better things to do.
Thank you. There were at least two other characters on that list I was planning on using. I thought it would be better to use existing characters but it looks like it will be OCs.
>”Colonel Shady Daze, sir”.
>”The high general is ready to see you, sir”.
>The guard opened the door to the main hallway.
>Shady Daze walked down the hallway towards two elite ponies-at-arms standing guard by the end.
>As he approached, one of the guards opened the door to the main office.
>Inside was an old office turned strategy board. A large table in the middle held a map of Equestria.
>Empty bookshelves lined the walls, all covered in boards with maps and charts of all kinds.
>At the end sat high general Big MacIntosh, musing over some documents.
>”High General, sir” Shady Daze saluted.
>“Have a seat”.
>Shady obliged and pulled out a chair across the desk to the High General.
>Big Mac looked inquisitively over his papers, leaving The young colonel to himself.
>Shady Daze attempted to hold his composure but anyone could tell he was nervous. >”Colonel Shady Daze” The high general said without looking up.
>”Yessir” He snapped back.
>”You served under general Golden Top for six months in a border outpost near Whitegold territory, is this correct”
>”And is it also correct ya took out a mercenary dog raiding camp in that time?”
>Big Mac laid down his document and picked up another one in front of him.
>”This is a comment from general Golden Top: ‘Colonel Shady Daze has shown a great cunning and enthusiasm, unparalleled by any other recruit under my command. He has a great synergy with the soldiers and instills strong trust and respect in anypony under his command. He has several times demonstrated talent in tactics and planning and is vigilant in all his execution. His imagination and excellent problem solving ability is only enhanced by his strong, young mind and body. Ah believe he could prove a great asset to our great army”
Well after that previous fuck up here's the revised version.
>non militant faction
They're actually stated as being at war, with Diamond Dogs, in their info sheet. They likely don't want to fight the other major factions, but look at how the Venetians went all colonial.
Earthborn thinks they can burn down the Everfree, but Fluttershy has WASPS
>thinking white anglo-saxon protestants are going to do anything
The problem is that they'll see you, before you hear their infernal buzzing.
And they'll descend on you, and sting you with weird Everfree poisons that make you hemorrhage or have organ failure.
The answer is simply, I must constantly surround myself with fire.
The Everfree Bees are insane with evil, so I must be even more crazy than them!
Why did Yorick think turning Earthborn into 1984 Oceania was a good idea?
Well, I was thinking about Moon and Star's legal bodies.
An assembly of magisters.
Composed of a low "Diet of Magisters", and a high "Assembly".
The High Assembly would have Trixie, Shining Armor, Twilight Sparkle, The Leader of The Sun Guild, and the Leader of the Moon Guild.
I'm thinking that they could control the assembly, by controlling what gets discussed/voted on in the first place.
The low assembly would be any magister in M&S
THE GUILD OF SCULPTORS
In Moon and Star society, magic is being used in more and more ingenious ways. One of the most esteemed guilds in Canterlot, is the guild of sculptors.
Using magic, they can subtly alter a pony, over a period of time. The younger the subject, the more pronounced the effects are.
In fact, a sculptor can change an unborn foal in a variety of ways, influencing it's future.
Parents with an eye for the future, pay good money for a scultpor to make their child smarter, or stronger, or both.
Probably because he wasn't thinking about "how can I make my waifu be not as much of an asshole?" In this world, EVERYBODY is some form of incontrovertibly fucked-up.
As it should be.
Yeah. They were. The worst kind of evil is the kind that genuinely believes it is good. Say what you want about Twilight's motives; deep down, she KNOWS she's insane. Applejack, on the other hand, is prideful and arrogant, firmly entrenched in her belief that her way is the true and good way.
I don't know whether or not Twilight knows she's insane, but at least I can see some logic from her behavior.
>do her best to maintain the power structure of old Equestria
>Use a racist group to her own ends
>Concoct a religion to pacify the population
>Keep her borders safe long enough for her to become an Alicorn
>If she becomes an Alicorn, than in her mind, all that suffering would be justified.
Meanwhile, as someone else in this thread has said
>...Granny Smith telling Applejack that all the unicorns are evil and magic can only cause suffering.. even though it eluded to the Cult and that only a third of their high prophets are unicorns, and that their biggest abuser of necromancy is a fucking donkey.
One, we know next-to-nothing about how the Cult's necromancy even works. Is it "magic", as unicorn magic is "magic", or is it something else entirely?
>their biggest abuser of necromancy is a fucking donkey
Sure, but does he actually cast the shit sustaining him, or just utilize it? Does he take potions, or does he pray for extended life? Like I said, we have no idea the Cult's necromancy even is, other than spoopy.
Three, can I get a source on the Granny Smith thing? I'm not seeing anything about Granny Smith in the original artwork, other than that she "serves as a source of wisdom and advice in these troubled times".
A long time ago, when pooryorick was a real person who existed in the land of the living.. he posted a fanfic about Earthborn. It had Applejack talking to all the main characters and telling her what they're doing is right. The ending scene was Granny Smith telling her that unicorns are evil.
I actually tried looking for it, I cannot find it.
There is a reason why I used canon in scare quotes because I cannot remember if it was actually canon canon or just a featured fanfic. I only remember that it was on pooryorick's deviantart
I remember this. It was posted in one of his journals on his Deviantart account, which of course makes it now inaccessible. I'd been hoping to find he'd posted the whole thing on one of the other forums he hung out on, but no luck
Moon and Star actually has a better system in place than Earthborn.
>Earth Ponies are not actually all that numerous
>You just lost 1/3 of your population's support, who probably will go to Moon and Star now.
Meanwhile, M&S has
>Slavery, but it's not restricted to just Earth Ponies or Pegasi
>A system of 2nd-class citizenship in place, that guarantees Earth Pony relevance in M&S, because of their value for farming.
Earthborn is a nice idea on paper, but terrible in execution.
When I read it, it was years ago and I literally posted off of memory since I do not know where the fuck is. Seeing how I don't have a photographic memory.. some facts might be wrong.
I just remember Applejack having her doubts and Granny Smith telling her that unicorns are evil and that M&S are evil and that the cult are evil and that magic is evil and that she's old and gonna die and she wants her grand babies to live happy lives dehorning evil unicorns with their evil magic.
I think an Equestria under Earthborn, would actually be one of the worst things that could happen to it.
I mean, you could argue that it's bad if any faction came into control.
But I have visions of grey skies, bad weather and industrial smoke and waste everywhere.
Everyone is afraid to talk, because if they lie, they can get killed.
>Everyone is afraid to talk, because if they lie, they can get killed.
Well hang on, I agree that an Equestria under Earthborn wouldn't be a very happy place but let's not get Yorick's later shit into this too. That just makes everyone look a lot worse
Well barring that, there'd still be pollution, and race warfare.
It isn't explained in canon, it kinda just does. It could be just about any number of things.
As for the Everfree, I am making it forest magic so druids/shamans don't got to explain shit.
I assume so because whenever the Everfree is spoken of the ponies give up their natural gifts for forest shit.
My muse still hasn't struck me, so I am without ideas for more magic spells.
None of them really. I don't really want any of them to win either.
I'd&d like to see all of them fight each other for a really long time.
Been waitin' for this! Rolling!
Pegasi with Devastating Force? Fuck my rolls. I'll see what I can bring together for it after I sleep.