Post-rock is a subgenre of rock music characterized by the influence and use of instruments commonly associated with rock, but using rhythms and "guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures" not traditionally found in rock. Faust. Public Image Ltd. Bardo Pond.
Spiderland sounds like a lot of math rock and post hardcore bands at it's time. The Ascension was way ahead of it's time and it bums me out you people praise Spiderland when even Houdini is a better record.
Not even cul de sacs best album
Please, its a 7/10 at most.. maybe when you graduate from high school you will shed the teenage edgyness.. keyword: maybe
these two are the only viable answers itt
>Spiderland sounds like a lot of math rock and post hardcore bands at it's time
Spiderland in the end did something that turned out to be way different. Maybe you're just ignorant anon. Also, being ahead of its time isn't the only factor you need to consider when rating which post-rock album is the "best". Also agree with >>47735856
>Please, its a 7/10 at most.
Spiderland suffers from the velvet underground syndrome. Which means that for its time, it was novel and influential on many artists to come. However, if we take into consideration all the bands that have not only duplicated it, but also improved upon its blandness (obviously learned in retrospect) we will come to the conclusion that it is incredibly tame and timid when compared to all other post rock records.
I'm sorry buddy but I cant converse with someone who is a fan-boy because you will defend the album no matter what because of your obvious love for it. Its probably you're second week on /mu/ and this is the first album you really like after going through some /mu/core so you claim its genius. Its happened before buddy, hopefully you will expand your music library and one day you will come to the realization that others have done better, much much better
Also for thread topic related it's either this or Goodbye Enemy Airship, The Landlord is Dead by Do Make Say Think
>the velvet underground syndrome
program music 1 is shitty melodramatic third wave post-rock under the pretense of "modern classical" so it appeals to pseudo-deep neckbeards - it's not classical, it's mallglitch on par with hans zimmer in that it panders to fedoras who love "epic" music
a few dizzy digital cuts and bad songwriting masquerading as free-spiritedness can't turn shitty viola synths and done-to-death vi-iii-vii pop progressions into anything worthwhile. it's overproduced and overwrought and it constantly meanders without purpose or intensity. it's not program music in the slightest, it's crescendocore with "glitches"
>Implications: the post
>program music 1 is shitty melodramatic third wave post-rock under the pretense of "modern classical" so it appeals to pseudo-deep neckbeards
Perhaps not everyone who likes music you don't like falls under this miniscule category? Perhaps even the music itself has no intention of being "psuedo" anything, and is simply experimentation and an attempt at art. You seem to think the guy just sat down at his computer one day and said "Yeah, these dumb shits will eat this up". I'm sorry for you.
>You seem to think the guy just sat down at his computer one day and said "Yeah, these dumb shits will eat this up".
that happens all the time actually
I love these threads. There are so few worthwhile bands in the genre that the elitist pricks need to really put forth a lot of effort to hate on anything that is from the last 10 years or is at all popular.
It's so cute ^////^
Feel free to remove the word completely from the statement then (it'd still be quite true after-all) if all you have in your favor is a better understanding of vocabulary and grammar.
>Feel free to remove the word completely from the statement then
Which pricks ? Shouldn't there be some sort of adjective dictating which pricks are being discussed in order to justify "the" being used ?
In any case, my intentions are clear.
I dislike but find amusing certain individuals need to hate on people for "liking what I don't like", like it's oh so trendy and edgy to dislike what is popular.
While you're talking about word use.
Now it would be an assumption to say that me using poor word choice is a way of ignoring my actual claim. That's poor logic. I hope youre not doing that.
Either way, I don't know shit about you; maybe you even agree with me !? maybe not. Regardless, have a nice night.
>Now it would be an assumption to say that me using poor word choice is a way of ignoring my actual claim.
Nah the actual claim was pretty spot-on because post-rock is bogged down with countless shitty bands and albums
Have a good one
spiderland and f#a#infinity are the only two "pure" post-rock albums that i really like. i prefer spiderland
lmao can you get any more fucking retarded? first with the anti-Spiderland now the anti-VU? good lord just go to sleep. not everyone just likes these for their influence, ever think maybe they were just the first and the best in their style? fag
How the FUCK has no one posted this yet?
surely you can make an exception. that EP is better than any post-rock full-length ever released.
but technically speaking, i either give my vote to Ágætis byrjun, Kid A, or Spiderland.
Wow OP, thanks for introducing me to this. I'm definitely going to listen to this album again. I haven't knowingly listened to post-rock before, what aspects of this album make it post-rock?
Surprised this wasn't even mentioned yet. Cynical yet optimistic, angry but melancholic; it's a chaotically beautiful piece of art.
Why the fuck would you say Kveikur? It's their LEAST post-rockish record, save for perhaps Med Sud. Try ( ) or Agætis Byrjun and you might actually sound like you're slightly intelligent, and not a colossal buffoon.
What the hell is wrong with you. Look, I like Valtari. It's fun, and light-hearted. It's the type of record that's perfect for a breezy summer afternoon, coupled with a glass of wine. It sits contentedly in the background of a contemplative musing of the banal, wishing to be nothing more or less than what it is. It delivers a pleasant finish, as it were, with the final stretches of Fjögur píanó fading into nothing. But hey, it's really no more than a 7/10. It's not extraordinary, and it really isn't held together by any one theme. It's more of a collage of various emotions and moods thrown hastily together in a veritable hodgepodge of uncertainty. So, it doesn't really matter if you "love it," it matters if you consider it the epitome of the genre, and no matter how you look at it, Valtari just isn't that. Ever.
I do like it, though.
I could be more blunt and call you retarded for using "post-rockish" at all, especially in the context of "more or less".
Post-rock is not a distinctly aesthetically designed genre, making comments like yours totally useless to pretty much everyone
Ah, the old /mu/ trope of the tripfag who has to respond to ever single post in order to feed his artificially over-inflated ego and never-ending quest for the nigh-intangible 'last word.'
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't retarded or autistic but everyone knows what is meant by "repetitive". trying to argue semantics with me isn't going to help you.
too many of their songs don't have enough progression like that last song which goes on and on but never really goes anywhere. it had so much potential to be a good song as well.
I don't need to, all there needs to be is mutual intelligibility with the term
which there is
>but everyone knows what is meant by "repetitive"
Not really, if you listen to a repetitive album five times it's going to still sound repetitive. Shocker, I know.
> trying to argue semantics with me isn't going to help you.
You likely don't actually know what you're saying and are just parroting others who have failed to argue their points to me in the past, but I'll humor you.
When you misuse language you misrepresent reality ; why would I respond traditionally to something which does not reflect the reality of a situation ?
>too many of their songs don't have enough progression
Missing the point again, as you were when you first tried to bring up repetition. "Enough" progression will always be relative to the piece and the context of the piece. "Progression" is also a very shaky term to use, as it could refer to the manipulation of the sounds and their sequences, the composition, anything.
>that last song which goes on and on but never really goes anywhere.
I suspected that you weren't actually listening to the music with any real focus, and this pretty much confirmed that, so thanks I guess.
>mutual intelligibility makes it a real word not a real genre
...and what makes something a TRU- erm, "real" genre ?
>if you cant define the genre it is not a genre
because you say so, right ?
are you mentally retarded
how the fuck is krautrock a genre
krautrock means "music made in germany in the 70s that fits in to electronic (one of the most poorly defined genres in music) and rock (one of the largest genres in music)"
genres dont get defined by time and place they get defined by sound and style you fucking idiot
>genres dont get defined by time and place they get defined by sound and style you fucking idiot
This exact same discussion happened a while back, and you morons lost it then, so I'm just going to save myself the trouble of re-treading it and call you retarded while posting this link
>genres dont get defined by time and place they get defined by sound and style you fucking idiot
you are literally autistic
>genre just means category
no its a type of category
if i say "russian literature" im not referring to a genre of writing because russian literature covers hundreds of genres im referring to a ground of people in a certain place at a certain time (A SCENE)
loveless is shoegaze which is a genre with clear stylistic quirks such as using the voice of the singer for aesthetic quality instead of for delivery of words and using a lot of distortion to obscure melody
no shit, if I find it repetitive on the 10th listen thens its still going to sound repetitive on the 11th. the album is fundamentally repetitive. so many ideas are just reused on each song and the songs just meander along then end without any sense of conclusion. I actually loved that album on my first listen but I guess the very best albums -- especially my favourites -- are not instant likes. In addition I think they album, even the band, relies on too many cliches in the genre. whether there is a well-defined understanding of what post-rock is is irrelevant here, point is the band isn't all that much different from other third wave post rock bands like EITS. I've actually yet to hear a third wave album that i actually and that is not because i'm dismissive of them
>so many ideas are just reused on each song
>relies on too many cliches in the genre
>other third wave
If you weren't so damned ignorant you'd know that DMST were one of the second-wave bands who systematized the "post-rock sound" that the third wave tries to emulate, thus creating what you perceive to be them "relying on cliches".
As it is, you're digging yourself a deeper ethos-hole with every post you make.
[your fucking faggot-ass head]
Not really, especially in comparison to krautrock.
>using the voice of the singer for aesthetic quality instead of for delivery of words and using a lot of distortion to obscure melody
That describes a large chunk of neo-psychedelia.
And black metal.
but black metal and neo psychedelia have their own definitions, obviously theres a lot of crossover between any two genres
the difference between krautrock and shoegaze is that you can hear any shoegaze song and know its shoegaze but the only krautrock songs that sound like krautrock are faust and can style stuff which is a tiny fraction of krautrock
>You can hear any shoegaze song and know its shoegaze
I didn't know Ride and Slowdive were shoegaze till I came here.
It's just a scene of neo-psych with its own twists, just krautrock was its own scene of psych rock with its own twists.
the point is that you can't give my one good reason why this album should be deserving of the title "best post-rock album" other than making short snidey, edgy comments like "[the point]" to discredit my argument. even if they did influence the third wave, i think EITS emulated and even surpassed DMST.
if you are going to post an album that isn't often regarded as a "good" post-rock album then you better back it up with something good. I can see why other albums are worthy of being considered best but here i just don't see it.
im not sitting at my computer constantly waiting for anyone to respond to me. if you think i take ~45 minutes thinking for something to say then you must be the "sperg" for being so riled up that you wait intently to respond with some generic /mu/ comment then proceed to make a generic insult. you really are the epitome of another throwaway trip that pops up everyone once in a while
>every time the drum tempo change hits in Sleep
It's like I've been waiting to hear this my whole entire life.
it's pic related
not really, still great though
8/10 but not post-rock though
Come on that album is hardly an 8
Godspeed are an okay-tier post-rock band, dude. How can F#A be their best when there's tons of better albums from the first wave?