last thread died by natural cause
this one also seems dad to me too, whatsoever,my chance.
Okay, dodgy in parts. Most of the knobs are pretty solid, a couple are slightly wobbly. I couldn't imagine myself every breaking it though as I tend to treat it with care anyway. My only other gripe is the plastic nuts on the patchbay. The sound is fantastic though if you're in to that vintage budget analog mono sound and the patch potential is almost limitless.
The mini is shit tier smd with fucking wobbling pleb knobs, no comparison to its own old version/or any old synth including the cs line.
Sound and tweakability/fun are awesome regardless
sorry i might be obsessed with this thing
Thx, seems like I'ma get this thing then
there is a steep learning curve so don't bother if you want instant results
but if you feel like exploring:
if you have the cash and you already use ableton then get max and max4live,
if not then max itself is a good place to start
do all the tutorials, check out all the examples provided
the c74 mailing list are very helpful if you get stuck
there are a ton of max users making tutorial vids right now, and i expect a ton of free resources exist but i don't know of any specifically
if max is too expensive check out puredata, it's free and does a lot of what max does altho the learning curve is a bit steeper due to it being slightly lower level
I consider getting one too or an aturia or a rebuild of the synthacon
Yeah that's my other concern with mine - how easily it will be to repair when the components start to need replacing. They obviously aren't built to last forever like the originals.
plz explain this contraption
i make noisy distorted synthesizer based industrialesque music, tape loops, field recordings, various acoustic experiments etc
(i use two monosynths (ms-20/nanozwerg) and a sequencer to make over the top power chords)
sadly, even this kit isn't and there aren't solder points inside, though theres plenty of space, if a non-smd fix is required/the only way
I'd only buy it for the filter
You might like the nord modular
Theres absolutely no difference between analog and VA anymore soundwise, to lets say an advanced point. You cannot simply add mods to a digital machine like you would to an analog, thats the only thing, even with osc drift simulation nowadays. Most digital hardware synths are even better built than see:
Bass station2 has this kind of routing and patch saving. Not too fancy sound though.
The mutable instruments are pretty cool things aswell, digital with analog filter(s) and DCAs, concept rebirth of the ensoniq's and the Korg DW basically
Cassette delay in the build
also post a soundcloud/youtube/whatever
it's been like this since i smashed it don't think it's possible
have lots of stuff in progress but nothing for the public to hear
who's hyped for bazille?
mine is mono so mostly punk releases
if you're american there's lots of telex stereo ones circulating. way harder over here.
Reporting. Starting to record some stuff I was working on today. Reel to reel is going to be back in commission soon as my belt got here but everything is still pretty gooped up so I need to clean that out. 2i4 might actually be working but I'm still unsure. ESQ-1 battery died so all my patches are gone but I did not really have a ton in there to begin with.
I found a real neat pattern and made a patch to go with it for juno just now though so I'll see what I can do about recording it.
art project from when I was in 8th grade
People from my town, mostly shopped or deformed
germany here, yes I couldnt find a single stereo one (which I'd need for electronic music)
only one in months to pop up in mono
Some of their earlier stuff is quite industrial before they went more synth-poppy
I find them quite inspiring in terms of how they get their sounds:
I make industrial too, primarily with some cheap synthesizers I found in a bathroom. I took some rocks outs of my pocket and put them inside of a toilet paper roll and experiment to see what kind of sounds I can get.
Would you guys mind if I shared some stuff I've been working on?
I got a shitty used CASIO with MIDI to learn how to play the piano, after 6 months it broke and I am planning to step my game up. I got really interested in composing and learning about music composing and I am planning on getting a synth.
I did some research and the Korg Kross appears to be the best on the price range. Am I being retarded or is this the thing I should get?
This one doesn't seem so limited tho
I'd love to get ya'lls opinion on the Waldorf Rocket. It's cheap, built like a tank, and the oscillator is digital though it has a VCF and VCA.
This fucking demo man, holy shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0p8z9ht5Q&hd=1
Like, even though the osc is digital it still seems like it makes some fucking amazing sounds. Is it worth the buy?
Also another great demo, musictrackjp of course :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx-l7xUjXU0&hd=1
ADSR restrictions aren't a big deal as long as it makes a bunch of amazing sounds. I really just wanted to get everyone's opinion on it because the oscillator is digital, not a VCO or even DCO. Yet from these demos, and with the VCF and VCA, it seems like you can get some amazing tones out of it.
I know everyone is all circlejerking over VCO's and all voltage controlled stuff so that's why I ask whether it makes a difference or not, or if it's not that big of a deal for the osc to be digital.
To be more specific: I'm deciding between getting this or the microbrute as my first synth (and mostly, first VCF), and I'm leaning towards the rocket even though the MB has a VCO. If there are other good options in the $300 or less range, I'd love to hear about them, though. But this is what I'm deciding between atm.
With the MB you can also get toxic-awesome tones and you have more control, just saiyan.
As for the oscillators, as long as they sound good, I don't care. Filters are more important IMO.
Seems to be unanimously liked around these parts, lol. Best analog synth under a grand imo. I mean, 3 analog oscillators! THREE!
Plus, the paraphony really did it for me. 8 voice analog synth for under a grand, yes please! Can't wait to make some 3 OSC basslines too. I'm starting my new summer job in a week, gonna be making $13/hr full time, should be able to afford it in 2-3 weeks, can't wait.
yeah, it is. you don't get a moog for functionality, you get it because it sounds like a moog, which is the entire point of it. it's like a Stratocaster
I cannot specify one synth for this matter, but there are better. I understand the overall image, but for monosynths I prefer something more clear. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rflpxsjyEqU
Also, as predicted the thread woke up again.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've been using NanoStudio for about 2 and a half years now as my DAW of choice, and the Eden synth is amazing (it's a 2 osc VA), and it's entirely free for PC/Mac (mobile version costs $20 for the full version but who gives a fuck, you don't need it and even if you wanted it [I got it lol] it's still cheap as fuck).
Between that and audacity I can pretty much do anything the big boy DAW's can do, for free (legitimate free, no pirating). I'll likely eventually move up to Reaper, but even that is technically free (as long as you don't mind the "hey buy me" screen that pops up for a couple of seconds), and it's only $60 to actually buy it so even that's cheap as fuck for a fully-featured DAW.
Quick entry-level synth tier list:
1. Waldorf Blofeld
2. Free VST synths like Synth1
3. Every analog monophonic synth released in this decade
4. Alesis Micron / Akai MINIAK
nice dubs, just post this, has a lot of knobs
I'll check out nanostudio, if you are against pirating, though I'm sure you've heard this before already, check out the line of free TAL products as well as kvraudio and pluginboutique, they both have sections that get uploaded for free vst's all the time.
Is it an east coast thing? I woke up and had my coffee and got onto /mu/ looking for the bleep production thread (I'm keeping up with these now, <3 them and want them to be a regular thing where we can discuss production and synths and shit like that) around 10 AM EST, now it's almost 1 PM and I still check back occasionally as I do other shit on the web.
It is limited. It's - as the name suggest - a bass synth. It's octave range is at the lower end. Not really suitable for leads or high notes.
I keep bigging it up, but check out the Vermona Mono Lancet. It can be expanded with eurorack modules (if you buy the expander). You can build an awesome synth over time but start with something that has the basics and sounds really good. The filter is fucking awesome.
Check out the demos at the end of this article:
Thanks for the tip, I'll check those out.
I'm not only about free btw, cheap is also fine, thus the eventual switch over to reaper. Also plan on getting this for my drum rack solution, it's only $50 but does basically everything: http://www.onesmallclue.com/poise.php
>'m not only about free btw, cheap is also fine
kvr and pluginboutique will be a good tool for you then, their search filters are really good and you can set price limits, it's perfect if you want to look for alternatives and such to a specific vst or instrument/effect.
That's not what a collab is. You're doing a Goldie, and that's only okay if you're rich enough to make it worth people's time.
Take your time to learn a DAW so you can actually do something in a collab.
Not that guy, but how do you think collabs done over the internet should go?
Right now I made a song and someone wanted to make a remix, so I gave them the stems and let them do what they want with it. I suppose that's one way. Or, I've also created beats that I've released for free download for rappers or singers to do vocals over.
Would doing different parts be a good idea? I'd like to start a series of threads on /mu/ where we do actual collabs. I was thinking I could basically do one part, like a bass line or a drum track, that I release for free, and then the idea is for people to take that and either finish the song, or at least add one more part for it and release it for other people to add parts to.
i'd also like to add the FabFilter Micro too, it's a nice self oscillating filter but it also saturates very nicely too
still very cheap too
I like to agree on general things, like a tempo or genre, start making parts. If possible, share the project; most of the times, it's easier to bounce things to audio at every turn due to people not having the same versions of DAWs/VSTs.
Dropbox shared folders help a lot.
Are you 12?
I mean, I certainly understand that there are plenty of overpriced plug-ins that you should avoid entirely, and you shouldn't buy a bunch that you'll never use (better to carefully select a few that you'll use all the time), but there's plenty of very good and cheap VST's out there that are certainly worth the money.
If you have a regular job it really shouldn't be an issue to spend a couple of hundred bucks to get set up. I mean, the cost of Reaper, Poise, and FabFilter One together are less than $200 in total, hardly breaking the bank and you could make an entire album with just that and other free VST's and plug-ins like TAL and the built-in Reaper FX and such.
how about investing in drum hardware? any good recommendations that arent outrageously expensive? because i can't seem to find any. (im ignoring the volca beats and rhythm wolf type stuff, but idk...)
everything else after that is whatever you want to do. Even if what you want to do is use circuit bent speak and spells you need something to properly record them and hear if that recording is not shit or not.
but the records are. i don't buy mp3s.
i'd rather save my money for something that i can physically touch and build a relationship with.
i'm not saying that i don't use plug-ins, i'm just saying that i'm not dumb enough to actually pay money for them.
I dont mean to be a dick, but that's the least helpful advice you could be in response to that question. I am genuinely just considering what options i /could/ have in regards to drum computers. certainly, i should make the decision for myself, on my tastes and workflow, but it's good to have input from others to see what is availble that i might have missed. think: the octotrack, tempest, and miami are all very different in style, but there are probably more things in their categories i just havent learned about
I told you that I gave DAWs a fair shot, as in using one almost every day for six months. I don't like them. It's not about the quality of what I'm making. I just don't like how I have to make it.
I made one of the image responses earlier so you;ve annoyed at least three people enough with your pretty silly opinion to merit tongue-in-cheek reaction faces. how about we all just quit and agree to disagree. but seriously bro, you don't really have any honor to lose or defend, youre on the internet. we disagree, and that's that.
>doesn't realize different people are fucking with him on an anonymous imageboard
honestly just wondering how many posts you'll respond to that respond to you at this point.
>if you can't get comfortable using a DAW everyday for 6 months then you must have brain problems.
It's not that I'm uncomfortable with them, it's that I don't fucking like them. If someone really doesn't like something, then it's retarded to say that they must have brain problems for not liking it six months later. Don't be such a fucking asshole.
I know for a fact that there ARE alternatives (sibelius, for example). I'm basically just asking if any of them are worthwhile.
>have been using logic pro for 4 years
>want to switch to Ableton because it's better for what I'm trying to do
>try to get into Ableton at least once a year but just get annoyed with it's interface and quit
Is Ableton really that good for production comparatively to Logic Pro? Is it worth switching if I find the interface annoying?
NanoStudio. Free, great VA synth, and they even have a section of their website that offers a bunch of free sample packs. Really simple and easy to use interface, great for beginners to learn synthesis.
Sibelius is for notation. It's worth nothing if you want to make bleeps and the best thing ever if you have to write for an actual orchestra. It's not an alternative, it's a whole different kind of thing.
Sounds like you should get into hardware, then. What sorta budget are you working with, and what kind of music do you want to make?
What you should really be asking is what is the most fun and "instant gratification" sort of hardware sub-$1000. Probably something with a sequencer, so I'd likely recommend getting a Microbrute since it's all analog and only $300. Maybe get a Korg ER-1 with it so you have drums and synth, all for under $500.
Maybe a Korg ESX if you just want one thing, I'm pretty sure that does both drums and synth right? Pretty sure one of those electribes does.
yes. ableton is hands down the most flexible DAW. i guess im biased because i learned Ableton first and know it extremely well. i recently dove into Reason and have basically learned how to use it, but holy shit I hate it because of the patching and generally wonkiness with routing. Ableton makes those things so much easier. it does have probably the highest learning curve, but once you get it, so much is possible, so much can be done so quickly
You sound like a really huge bitch. Pic related.
what do you all think of the volca series?
It really is. It seems to fly under everyone's radar which I can only assume is because it's a boutique synth. It's pretty close soundwise to the celebrated Roland monos of old with a very Moog-like filter, I love it.
Np, man. You're just lucky I'm understanding. Try to be less grumpy next time you're asking people to help, or get more into the details of what exactly you don't like/what you're looking for for music making.
Remember, we're all anonymous here. It's easy for people to be dicks with no repercussions, so if you piss people off they'll quickly turn on you. It's not about who's right or wrong, but whether you get the info you're looking for or not.
Reaper is technically the most flexible DAW, but you have to create your own work flow instead of having one given to you.
But yeah, Ableton is probably the most flexible for beginners.
the bassline is really dinky. the beats sounds fat, but the strip is a fucking terrible controller for percussion. tiny buttons would have even been better. i think the beats should have been bigger. The keys sounds amazing, is a touch noisy (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) and would recommend, but really only if you have an external way of controlling it (midi keybaord or midi out of DAW thru interface)
If you've got a better idea for the money for VCO's, I'm all ears.
Like I've said previously, I'm saving up for the Pulse 2, which has 3 osc and paraphony, but that has DCO's (which I actually prefer personally, but I know some people will bitch about that).
Guitar Center has one used, there's also one on ebay atm i believe. Just gotta look around.
Probably shouldn't have said this since I plan on getting the ES-1 they have, if any of you fuckers gets it ahead of me I'll punch you in the dick through the internet i swear on me mum.
It's great, the closest I could get to an 808 on a budget anyway.
It's a Yamaha QY20 MIDI sequencer. I've been trying to avoid computers but the damn thing was just too fiddly and the screen sucks with no backlight so I'm using Seq24 now:
I would by all means say Pulse 2.
i would say volca keys but only as a joke. lol... i suppose you guys are right, but i just cannot fathom the idea of paying that much money for something monophonic. i have the minibrute, but it use it in weird ways because of the audio input, and feel like i can get more mileage out of it than i could possible get out of the lancet. different strokes, etc
I got mine for $136 on ebay free shipping
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idk, I guess, I mean personal taste is always an issue. I just feel like you'd be better off with an ER-1 (or something similar) and a MicroBrute for that purpose.
But hey, while we're on the subject: do you have a soundcloud, or some place where you've uploaded any songs you've made with the volca stuff? I'd love to hear some songs made with them with good fidelity.
What's a good site to buy vintage equipment for a decent price that ISN'T ebay/craigslist?
no, my entire area is just like my town.
i live in fresno, ca
"the city addicted to crystal meth".
all the surrounding areas for 200 miles are the same shit.
online is the only hway.
guitar center is the only decent music store.
you know how shitty that is?
I want to get a hardware synth, but I generally make post-rock ish stuff, and a lot of synths I've looked at don't seem to have an appropriate range of sounds for anything like that. Recommendations?
so i have this idea of producing some semi-aggressive electropop with Nick-Cave-ish vocals.
What type/genre of sound does /mu/ think would fit in? I am thinking of something like NLDW but not that agressive
Honestly, I'm just going to continually recommend the Waldorf Pulse 2 for anyone asking what first hardware synth to buy.
This demo should both be good for post-rock stuff, as well as showing off how creamy the bass can sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwgnPRLEeJk&hd=1
Also I'm pretty certain all VCO analog synths under a grand are mono. Pulse's paraphony is quite nice, plus the modulation features and build quality, and having 3 oscillators... seems like a worthy trade of DCO's (still analog oscillators tho) instead of VCO's, but getting all of those features as well.
I probably won't buy another synth until I save up enough for the Sub37.
FY,I I wasn't saying one was inherently better, I happen to think that the pulse is a great synthesizer. I just find it odd that I went into such detail and you ask for layman's terms, and when I simplified it if, it was not a satisfying answer for you
Because I don't understand stuff like amplitude, volt peaks, distortion/saturation (as it applies to analog circuitry), waveshaping and square vs. saw/triangle "cores". I just know basic stuff like infinite resolution vs. "stepping", oscillator drift, stuff like that.
It's funny 'cause I'm going into electronics engineering, but I'm not going to get into Signals and Systems and Physics III (which is mostly electrical) stuff until next year. Part of the reason I've been wanting to get into analog gear is to learn more about electronics in my spare time.
wait wait wait...
so I just looked up the Volca Bass.
3 fuggen VCO's with a VCF and VCA all for $150? do my eyes deceive me? what's the catch?
i'm just looking for a solid analog mono bassline machine, does it having 3 VCO's make it as awesome as it seems that would make it?
It certainly punches above it's weight taking price in to consideration but it's not that great. I'm sure it's fine if you just want to make basslines and you're not expecting it to sound like a 303.
anyone know where i can get a decent free synth plug in for ableton live?
also when i side chain compress in ableton i always get a click, is this just because ableton compressors suck?
my stuff if you wanna check it out, improving my production a good bit if you compare my new song to older stuff but if love some feedback/improvements
>more does not equal better.
what *does* it mean, then? having multiple VCO's, i mean? why doesn't it mean it's better? what does having 3 VCO's actually do? i thought it would make the sound thicker since you could play them all together and detune them and shit.
i'm just looking for best bang-for-the-buck mono analog bass synth I can get. it can have other features of course, but i really just want to hear what all of the analog fans are talking about with how much better analog sounds compared to digital, applied to monophonic basslines.
i've mostly been debating between the ms20 mini, mono lancet and minitaur. 3 might not be important, but i think having at least 2 VCO's is important so you can detune them and get that nice analog beats effect.
Not all oscillators are the same and more is not always better.
That being said the volca is great bang for the buck wise unless you can find an amazing deal on some vintage monophonic synth or something.
>i've mostly been debating between the ms20 mini
really? why do people have such a hard-on for the ms20 mini? is it because of the mod patchbay or something?
i've heard both that the minitaur has some of most insane room-shaking bass tones of any analog mono, and that the lancet may even sound better than the 'taur on the low end (plus not being limited to C4). The mini doesn't even have velocity sensitivity and only a mod wheel + a button, and of course there's always the build quality issue with the knobs that everyone always mentions.
why do you think it's the superior mono synth, especially for basslines? not saying you're wrong, but just want to have a better understanding since i can only afford one atm and want to make the right choice, and understand why i should choose it over the other two (both of which are also 2 VCO synths, the minitaur even has the moog filter)
Because the ms20 can do much more than just analog basses because of its healthy amount of modulation options while having the patchbay.
If you want to get something that can cover a lot of uses while still being good for basses get the ms20 mini. If you want to get something completely specialized for basses get a lancet or something.
Also having an ms20 filter that you can patch anything through is incredibly useful.
As an owner of both the MS20 mini and Mono Lancet, I'd get the Lancet. It's by far the nicer sounding synth for bread and butter sounds - and basslines which is what he wants it for.
Modulation options are far more limited with the Lancet without expanding it with modular equipment though.
a new challenger appears
know of any good videos which really show off the patchbay capabilities, though? like, stuff that can really only be done because it has that feature?
i'd be much more interested if i could actually hear what kinds of wizardry it can pull off because of the patchbay, a lot of demos i've seen only do really basic things. also, i don't intend to get any sort of a modular setup any time soon. maybe a microbrute, but that's about it (but it's still something).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A84DcUim2yw of course this is a youtube video, but it certainly is capable of making some nice deep, fuzzy tones (though i'm not sure if they're as deep and earth-shattering as say a minitaur until i hear it irl). if i could see some cool patchbay videos, that would probably sell me, though.
this is actually a great example of "cool patchbay stuff", applied to bass even, that i really like the sound of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A84DcUim2yw&feature=player_detailpage#t=314
I found out about the Kaossilator 2 two hours ago and can't get it out of my mind. Is the microphone any good? I like the sounds in it, but I'd like to use it for recording sounds for sound design too.
Tomorrow I will have the chance to play with the prophet 08 and prophet 12. If I like them I'll probably add them to my workflow when I get the money in a month or two. Does anyone have any experience with these and their versatility/sound? I am looking for something truly polyphonic and good that will last me forever. any recs on alternatives that could match the 08 or 12 are very accepted.
>08 is underwhelming
I've heard from plenty of people that the 08 is more preferable from the 12. although their reason was that 12 didn't sound vintage enough though. But I have plenty of vintage synths already and want something more modern.
so what VST synths do you guys love?
between ACE, DiVA, and Zebra 2 i haven't been using anything else or really intend to. I might get absynth since it seems pretty neat.
i'm just curious to see what you guys all are looking at or use.
What would be the VCO (DCO is cool, but analog osc) version of the Rocket?
It looks like so much fun with all of those knobs and the low price point. This demo was great:
I just wish it had analog osc instead of digital, is there anything like that? I'm digging the whole 1 knob per function thing.
All I have is a synth a laptop and a amp I have no idea how to bleep. Where do I start
if you have nothing to record tracks with, then you are limited to just what you can make with your synth and amp. which is still a lot of fun, you can learn a lot that way. you could possibly even go to your local thrift store and buy a 4 track recorder or something for like 30 bucks if you're lucky
looking to buy a polyphonic hard-synth. Tell me why I shouldn't get an Elektron A4.
My current pros:
Small - good for a college kid
Built-in, half-decent fx - don't have to buy fx pedals
Built-in sequencer - can't keyboard for shit, so I can fake like I can.
Only 4-voice polyphony - feel like that'll get eaten up pretty quick
Supposedly rough ui - not sure how tru ethis one is
I'm fairly new to the synth world - might be a twitch reaction to buy the new shiny toy without looking at what's already out.
Would the Rocket pair well with other synths?
Kinda bullshit that the ms20 mini doesn't have midi out, and thus it's keyboard can't control other synths. Same with the microbrute.
Really smitten with the Rocket after seeing
But I'm really looking to pair it with an analog synth that has keys that can play it, not sure what to go with.
A4 is great. Can do all the classic polysynth tricks, big unison even with different patches if you like, interesting filter layout. It doesn't get compared to this often but I look at it like a SEM Four-voice. The basic architecture is not dissimilar, though of course much more possibilities on the A4.
If you're sequencing the four note polyphony isn't bad since you can P-lock even patches to every step. Straight playing is when you notice. If you want to grab a fistful of chord then it's not going to work out. For that kind of playing you're better off with a VA or good S+S though, really. Analog polyphony isn't cheap.
It's elektron, you either love it or hate it. It's very straight forward, matrix style editing. The only menu diving you'll have to do is for setting up more advanced features like CV duties. I think it's very easy to navigate but I cut my teeth on old shit boxes so everything these days is easy.
It would make a very good companion to your MSmini. It lends itself to a much smoother sound, and would be able to sequence the MS via CV.
Are these monitors the best for a ~$300 budget?
>devolves into gear threads
>implying you need hardware
>implying soft synths aren't superior
>implying sylenth1, U-He Diva, NI fm8 & massive aren't the only synths you'll ever need, ever.
If you've got the dosh, it's definitely an upgrade. Individual outs aside, having the integral keyboard makes sequencing a little bit easier. Hold down step, press keys, the notes for that step are lighted. Yes it works the same with an external keyboard, but you don't get the LEDs. Unless you're going used, I'd probably stick with the AK. Used you could probably find the desktop version for 900-1000, so it'd be quite a bit cheaper.