Baroque Edition. Discuss all those great baroque composers, from Sweelinck, Monteverdi and Schütz, to Telemann, Rameau and Händel, with all the Bach, Buxtehude, Scarlatti, Biber and Corelli in between!
New to Classical? Check out this pastebin;
Stump of a download folder:
Lets start with some beautiful Corelli
Favorite Purcell pieces everyone?
I mean both. Add in 'art music' to keep the autists happy.
I think you should listen to... Scarlatti. mostly because I know fuck all about him and would be interested to see what you come back with
currently listening to praetorius' organ music from "musae sioniae", on a glorious mean-tone tempered organ.
might continue with matthias weckmann, one of schütz' most important pupils, one that lets you approximate how glorious schütz' organ playing and music must've been.
Definitely going to check this out
one can only hope
Some nice Telemann:
>inb4 plebs get angry over the term art music and shit up the thread
Vivaldi, hack or genius?
the art of adolf busch - volume 1
because someone asked for a good remaster of the busch quartet's late beethoven: this set contains all of the late quartets, sans no. 13 in b-flat (which i could supply from other issues), as well as nos. 1 and 9. also included are schubert's 14th and 15th quartets, brahms' first two quartets, as well as his piano quintet, his piano quartets and the clarinet quintet. the sound has the typical limitations of the 30s and 40s, but the excellent mastering preserves the crucial overtones by not filtering out the surface noise - the detail and timbre of the playing is thus preserved. the performances are superlative, flexible and devoted to the smallest details, and the unique style of the busch quartet - even the timbre of their heavily bowed gut strings is immediately recognizable - is timeless.
frankly, if i had to pick a single collection of chamber music for a lonely island, it'd be this collection.
whoops forgot the cover
Genius red priest who was largely forgotten after the baroque period, and only rediscovered in the 20thC
if you're looking for a single performance to start with, go for beethoven's ninth quartet - it's a virtuoso performance (with no cuts or edits of any kind, literally live), yet the virtuosity of the ensemble is always in service of explicating the music's content.
i've never heard the fugue-rondo-finale sound more exiting.
Decent! Does it have vinyl pops though? not really a problem, but kind of throws me off. I think I have the CD with Brahms piano and clarinet quintets.
Reminder that this is the best Art of Fugue and that poly-style has shit opinions.
Some intense Purcell:
Music for the funeral of Queen Mary, which was played at Purcell's funeral:
>Art of Fugue
Honestly I never understand using a modern instrument for a baroque piece of music.
>Inb4 Bach helped work on the piano
Harpsichord, Clavichord, Organ, orchestra or nothing.
goatest violinist that ever was goat btw
also listen to that gielen 9th i talked to you about, you're gonna like it
fun fact: gielen apparently used to have a survivor from warsaw as either the intro or the segway from movement 3 to 4 in beethoven's 9th. what a conductor. what a human beingé
Amazing, thanks for the upload
I love how classical threads often devolve into which version of art of fugue is superior.
>gets btfo everytime you complain about this
>insists on posting it
Händel Trio Sonata:
the music parlours transfers arent bad at all also, for ones that reduce noise
busch was a better ensemble violinist, but individually i like szigeti or huberman more for violinists from the same "generation"
I maintain that Musica Antiqua is the definitive art of fugue. That's always been my position, and so far no other version has come close.
beethoven - string quartets nos. 7 & 13 (busch quartet
the remaster of this issue doesn't rise up to the level of the japanese emi stuff i uploaded, but it's still serviceable, i could also offer another, private transfer of no. 13
The stuff I had heard from him that I loved were his keyboard sonatas. Schiff has a great recording of them.
Also, this 1st Cello Sonata is a fun piece I quite enjoy.
>yfw the music on the "Originals" logo spells "D-E-C-C-A"
I am also interested in this.
Thanks, I was aware of his keyboard sonatas, but will check out more.
underrated female composer:
Yo. I'm trying to identify a piece I heard on the radio a while ago. I only remember a short bit but I know I've heard it before somewhere. Would a kind soul be able to point me in the right direction?
I employed my shitty whistling skills to get down what I remember:
I... didn't even realize it was in clockwork orange.
I'm not here to impress people, so I guess everybody wins.
I think I prefer Quartets 4 and 10 (and of course 15)
Strictly speaking, aesthetically Mendelssohn was probably even closer to Mozart than Beethoven so perfectly understandable. At least you attributed it specifically to opera which was a medium Mozart wrote in a more proto-romantic style than his symphonies and chamber works.
Oh, good to hear. I consider myself pretty familiar with classical music and knew Mendelssohn was largely inspired by Mozart directly. It didn't seem too overtly romantic from just that first listen. Somehow I knew the piece was probably too interesting to be Mozart. Oh well.
this is actually the recording that got me into Biber in the first place. After hearing that arietta variata I immediately bought the MAK Harmonia Artificiosa. best decision ever
4:58 pm here. overdue for 4:20. time to travel back in time 38 minutes then probably play some SH3.
I've enjoyed listening to mostly Baroque today, with the odd Beethoven quartet thrown in.
What Locke pieces would you recommend?
Still negative on life but I'm making do I suppose. Friend (pretty much the only patrician one) shared a neat string quartet on Facebook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-izg3Jb7WuM
Bertali, kind of lesser known:
also +1 titclassical cover for the collection
A rec chart that has almost nothing to to with the music... pure /mu/
Any better recorded Scriabin than Sofronitsky as far as Piano Sonatas and Etudes?
Also, what do you guy's think best Pictures at an Exhibition is? I have Richter's 1958 live recording on Great Pianists, is there something better?
Complete /classical/ pleb here, but I'm really enthusiastic about learning more. Is there like a /classical/ essential chart anywhere or any personal recommendations anyone can give me? I have really dug the whole minimalism thing e.g. Phillip Glass and Steve Reich for awhile, but have only recently started to look into the old masters like Beethoven and have been surprisingly blown away. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major gave me actual goosebumps. BUT unlike a lot of contemporary classical artists, I've noticed it's a little more difficult to find anything resembling a conventional album when it comes to people like Beethoven and Mozart. Honestly, I've only ever had luck finding stuff like "Best of Beethoven".
Which recordings should I look into?!?! ty bbs.
There is the CLT chart, and a few others, plus the pastebin in the OP
Here's some mega links.
lyl that name.
Not that anon who asked but which Markevitch recording would you recommended? I've only listened to pic and Boulez.
also for the pictures at an exhibition, no there isn't any better pictures of an exhibition, just different ones. try horowitz's own adaption, maria yudina, moiseiwitsch, kapell, all of which you can sample on youtube
if you're looking for a better recording in better sound, i recommend weissenberg in salzburg or petrov.
try this. http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4271107
there are also other recordings, more primal but in worse sound
Some of Purcell's greatest. I had thought that "Remember not Lord our Offenses" and "Hear my Prayer O Lord" (which are Purcell's two best anthems) were included, but was mistaken.
But the funeral music as a whole is just stunning.
Schutz is the bomb. His Symphoniae Sacrae are great
Pretty based. I've got The Academy of Ancient Music and Andrew Manze's CD entitled "Concert for the Prince of Poland". In 1740, Frederick Christian, Prince Elector of Saxony, visited Venice and the pieces on the CD were performed as a concert for him. The CD itself is a wonderful recording of Vivaldi, but the historical context makes it more interesting too.
>implying there is anything better than the Sofia recital
Away with ye
Are you wanting him to die of old age whilst listening?
How can I improve this?
It's PARTS OF 'the enigma variations'. Bits are chopped short, original is 25 minutes but that site only allows 10 minutes so plz ignore discontinuities/short gaps and jumps occasionally. Thanks a lot /mu/
There has never been a good female conductor or composer.
Prove me wrong.
Doesn't /mu/ like the G?
I like this, at least partly for the nice analog sound.
Eve de Castro-Robinson
Not to mention Hildegard, Clara Schumann, the Boulangers, Delia Derbyshire, Caccini, and countless others lost in time/obscurity.
It's actually synthesized entirely, by me.
I'm just trying to see how to improve the sounds, and sound design. And I didn't originally mention this, because obviously half of you are pretentious fuckwits (Half aren't) who would be like "Oh - I knew it wasn't real instruments", so judge it differently and not give me the feedback I'm looking for, (how to make it sound more realistic and better) just wanker judgements and opinions, rather than critical listening.
Thanks for replying at least, Anon.
Well I can't hear much in the way of string timbres coming through there. It just sounds pretty muddy. I know very little about what you can do with synthesizers, but if you're aiming to make it sound more "natural", you could try to improve the clarity
If you want high quality orchestral sounds you have 2 options:
Record a real orchestra with good mics/preamps/mixers and a recording engineer on site.
Buy high quality samples from a company like East West, VSL, Spitfire Audio etc. Then write with them carefully in a DAW. Note this will never sound exactly like a real orchestra, and has severe limitations, but can do passable work for TV or Film, and serves good for mock-ups.
Thanks Anon. Appreciate it. I've only tried to do brass and winds actually, strings are even harder (for me currently) to synthesize. I'm also not very familiar with classical music in general which doesn't help but sound design and synthesis is a passion and joy of mine.
Yeah, I guess the worst part is the bass, low end and mids. I could do a much more realistic job with expensive sample library based on recordings of real instruments, but that's not the exercise. And there's also lots of FX and production techniques I could use too, to 'cheat' but my goal is recreating convincing realistic orchestral stuff purely with synthesis. (A lofty goal if I've ever made one!)
A 'turing test' of sound design, if you will. So you can see why I didn't just mention this in the first place I'm sure.
"We don't owe you shit."
Fair enough. I thought amongst people who listen to intelligent music, I might find some people actually interested in this kind of thing on here. I still belive there is, but you're obviously in the first half.
>tfw no qt3.14 g.f. Handel to cuddle with while listening to Water Music
>tfw thirteenth variation in BWV 852
>tfw best Bach organ interpreter next to Alain
The Four Seasons is one of the greatest things I've ever heard in my life and I don't understand why anyone would hate Vivaldi. Can someone please give me an actual valid reason to hate Vivaldi?
Novelty of his melodically driven music soon wears off after the nth pressing. A lack of coherence in the concerti due to the contraction of the progressive contraction of the riternello and lengthening of the episodes. Rather impulsive treatment of the thematic material, marked by an arbitrary selection of motives to develop and modification of the riternello without cause. Very lightweight slow movements. Lack of balance between soloist and orchestra in the solo concerti. Rather unremarkable output of sonatas. Sacred music of questionable merit when compared with his contemporaries. And bad borrowing practices where he took music from others essentially unmodified (unlike Handel). In short, it's the personality of the music instead of the refinement of their construction which captures the audience, not that it's a bad thing, but it's not a diet you can live solely on.
It was a thread about the best soundtrack in a Western Game. The OP included a picture of Beethoven.
Two anons posted about how Holst and Shostakovich were so much better than Beethoven, which was pretty funny
yfw I posted those. was aiming for maximum b8 ;)
I'm on a funeral march binge, weird as it sounds, give me some funeral marches, I've heard the one in Eroica (of course), the one in Beethoven's 12th sonata, the ones in Mahler's 1st and 5th symphonies, the b-minor chopin one, siegfrieds funeral march and the one from some romantic trombone concerto. Also, has anyone here tried writing a funeral march? Maybe got any tips?
I've never tried to write one... interesting. Now that I realize I've never written one, I'm going to have to have a try.
I'm going to recommend the Diabelli funeral march for M. Haydn, the Grieg funeral march, the Dead March from Saul (Handel), the Kodaly funeral march in Hary Janos, that Purcell funeral march from the Queen Mary funeral music and the 2nd movement of the Brahms Requiem
>mfw somebody posted the "Mozart is shit" copypasta in that thread
hopefully heckled some jimmies
>HE SAID CAGE WAS BETTER THAN MOZART
needless to say the meaningless words "avant teen" were thrown around soon after.
oh, so you probably haven't noticed that /classical/ posters falseflag posts lauding modern music/trashing traditional music to create a marginalized hivemind and make sheep like you spout idiotic words like "avant-teens"
word of advice
>/classical/ posters falseflag posts lauding modern music/trashing traditional music to create a marginalized hivemind
This is what conspiracy theorists actually believe.
>/classical/ play the victimised elite but in reality are the impotent privileged, failing to manipulate the manpower available
You know it to be true. If the tripfags used even half their talent for shitpostery towards community OC this would be one of the best boards on 4chan. Think how much posturing their memes cause around here. Classical is now the biggest "patrician" community instead of obscure rock music. People are scared to love the "firetruck" romantics and glorify the classical period instead. /bleep/ has so much shitposting and now people can write off entire genres as >muhtimbres. The list goes on.
CLT complains all arguments boil down to >muhfeels but doesn't try to change it. /mu/ could have a wikia. It could be like soundcloud comments on waveforms except annotations to classical and DAW notation instead. They could include hyperlinks to Wikipedia and Grove where CLT copypastes all his arguments from. Instead of complaining because not everyone has the same liberal arts degree as him he should bring his knowledge to the contexts of the board. This way people would be talking about the same specific parts of songs instead of >muhharmony>muhfeels>muhadhominem thinking they're talking about the same thing.
I still rate Haydn very highly. I've been meaning to listen to some more Salieri, I think I heard one opera and wasn't overawed by it. More of a Gluck fan for classical opera, which I suppose is something we owe Sammartini for (in a way) since he taught Gluck.
Never actually seen Sammartini mentioned in a /classical/ thread before though, so I don't think it's a case of no longer discussing him, just that he's never been discussed
>Why Bach, When Handel?
>Why Mozart, When Sammartini?
Are you joking?
>Why Beethoven, When Schubert?
>Why Chopin, When John Field?
Because Chopin's melodies and harmonies are more intricate.
I'm going to be faffing about on the continent in December. I know a qt who's living in Berlin, so I might have to see if I can attend and crash at her place.
I could go to the Goldberg Variations concert in 2015, which is a bit closer to where I'm going to be.
>It's boring. Unless it is Burnout Paradise OST classical music selection
I was curious as to what this entailed, so I had a look.
>Air on a G String
>'Minuet' (?) - Boccherini
>Eine kleine Nachtmusik - 2nd Movement
>Flower Duet from Lakmé
>Ave Maria (Meditation) - Gounod
>Nutcracker Ballet Suite: Dance of the Mirlitons
>Carnival of the Animals - The Aquarium
>Horn Concerto No. 4 - Mozart
>Sleeping Beauty Ballet Suite - Waltz
>Hebrew Slaves Nabucco
>Symphony No. 9 - Dvorak
>Clair de lune
>Moonlight Sonata - 1st Movement
>Piano Concerto No. 21 - Mozart
>Water Music Suite No. 1 - Air
>Carnival of the Animals - The Swan
>Horn Concerto No. 3 - 3rd Movement
>Triumphal March from Aida
>Water Music - Suite No.2 In D Major
>The Four Seasons, Spring - 1st Movement
>Hungarian-Dances No. 5
3. There's not much social incentive. Being a music nerd has strong ties to establishing and expressing identity. Because of the lack of distinguishable history and cultural markers, there aren't many statements one can make by gravitating towards classical music and certain classical artists, and there's very little potential to branch off into groups (Beatlemaniacs, Metalheads, hip-hop heads, etc.) and communities such as this one.
>honestly, the dynamics are something of a hurdle for me. You know, you have to crank it up to even hear the quieter parts and then the loud parts are too loud. (Music Criticism.)
>the majority of classical music has no rhythm. you can't ever dance to it! so me, who loves dance music the most probably (more dance pop than edm but anyways), i'm a little stranded when it comes to classical music.
This topic is the gift that keeps on giving
> I think I have a really really bad association with classical because I was raised in an extremely formal, rigid, tense, emotionless home growing up. Classical music comes across to me as mirroring a lot of these characteristics. Stuffy, rigid, formal.
>I've spent my life ever since I was a teenager enjoying the escape from all of that.
Go and listen to Schubert's Piano Trio No. 2 in E-flat right now. One of the best ever written.
I've been enjoying Saint-Saens' Piano Trio No. 2 as well recently, so that's probably another one to listen to.
Then Brahms Piano Trio No. 3 in C Minor, and Mendelssohn's Trios No. 1 +2 (then see if you can spot the link between Brahms' 3rd trio and Mendelssohn's 2nd)
I wonder what will happen when CLT finally realizes he is a simpleton. Suicide? Violent Rampage? Sexual Dysphoria? Maybe a combination. Personally I would put even money on him shooting up his local Philharmonic in a red slip and high tops.
I couldn't read last the second page. Visiting RYM makes me appreciate /mu/.
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Well Der Rosenkavalier has finished. Glyndebourne were sounding in good voice, although just listening to opera (unless you know the particular opera very well) isn't really that fulfilling.
Tomorrow's Prom is bretty good.
Gnosis - Tavener (World Premier)
Violin Concerto No. 2 - Bartók
Symphony No. 10 in E Minor - Shostakovich
The Prom will be performed by the BBC Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Ji?í B?lohláve. The Bartok concerto will be played by soloist Isabelle Faust
Leaving aside the obvious >Shostakovich, this is going to be a great concert. Sir John Tavener, who died earlier this year, is a mystic/sacred minimalist in the same sort of vein as Arvo Part, who is well-appreciated in /classical/. Along with Gorecki, these three made up the triumvirate of sacred minimalism, and the premiere of a Tavener piece (unfortunately posthumously) should be very enjoyable.
The Bartok concerto should be great too; Faust has been a fantastic interpreter of Bartok's violin oeuvre, so the chance to hear her play will be wonderful.
The Mendelssohn. I've definitely heard that theme in the fist movement before and I think probably in a Schumann piece. Unfortunately I put it on while doing other stuff. It was in a classical thread and I was busy playing a board game which was timed.
Just listened to the 3rd quartet. When does it start getting real good?
>just listening to opera (unless you know the particular opera very well) isn't really that fulfilling
(not true, by the way)
>Arvo Part, who is well-appreciated in /classical/
(not true, by the way)
Also the Trout Quintet is boring and highly overrated. Its basically an overly elaborate version of the lieder with some other padded movements. Death and the Maiden is a great work though.
I have no problem listening to an opera, I'm not going to shy away from listening to radio broadcasts of them, but to claim that taking out the visual element of an artform which relies on both visual and aural elements does not affect the experience is being contrarian.
And on the Part note: go to the archive and search 'arvo'. The overwhelming majority of posts (on /mu/, not just /classical/) are extremely positive towards Part.
>Its basically an overly elaborate version of the lieder [sic]
>only one of the four movements derives thematic material from the song
I'm not even defending the piece but get it together.
>to claim that taking out the visual element of an artform which relies on both visual and aural elements does not affect the experience is being contrarian
I'm claiming that opera recordings can still be fulfilling even if they aren't accompanied by a staging. If someone insists on DVD/Blu-Ray when they want to hear an opera then they're cutting themselves off from decades of excellent singing.
>I'm always shocked when Marin Alsop is part of a good performance. Her years at the head of my local symphony were painful. She's everything you want in a conductor—except when she's on the podium. I still shudder at the thought of her bizarre tempi in the First Mahler symphony. And the less we say about her "jazzy" Messiah each Christmas, the better. Yet she chose such interesting repertoire, communicated with audiences beautifully, and reached out to donors and new listeners so well! She'd make a great general manager for a wealthy orchestra and then they could let her conduct, say, a New Year's or Easter concert each year. But never Christmas shows!
True. I personally like to have familiarised myself with an opera before I can listen to (and thoroughly enjoy) it without any visual stimuli. Usually it's so I can understand the broad plot of an opera. I wasn't familiar enough with Der Rosenkavalier to be able to do that when listening to it today, which took away from my experience of it.
However I do agree that people who insist on only watching opera are making a mistake, particularly when the overwhelming majority of iconic opera recordings were made before the age of video recording.
Pretty good. As I mentioned yesterday, there had been a fair bit of talk about the woman playing Octavian because a number of critics said that she was too chubby and dumpy for the role, which I think was a bit of an overreaction on their parts, but they then got loads of shit from all the fat activists around the internet, which was even more embarassing.
But yeah, it was a Glyndebourne production, so it was of high quality. The orchestra was sounding good too, Ticciati conducted them well it would appear
He's a UK based conductor. He's been the principal conductor of the Scottish Chamber Orchestra for about 6 years now, so I've seen him a number of times conducting that. He's still pretty young (born in '83) so he's still establishing himself, but he's definitely on the rise.
Favorite living performer or conductor.
Why is she so based?
>and there's very little potential to branch off into groups (Beatlemaniacs, Metalheads, hip-hop heads, etc.) and communities such as this one.
implying true mahlerians aren't crazier than any other subset of music fans
I would agree with this. Opera [mostly] leaves me cold.
And Pärt is well appreciated here.
>When does it start getting real good?
>~12 or so
Jesus christ what's the point?
As for the whole Schubert/Mendelssohn trio thing, Schubert considered Mendelssohn's first piano trio to be a high point of 19thC chamber music. Mendelssohn wrote it in a Schumannesque style, and Schumann himself revised the score
= I'd say. I listen to more Mendelssohn than Mozart so, probably Mendelssohn just wins.
FIERY RED PRIEST!
Yes, because a black and white artistically stunted viewpoint is what every composer of the diverse, rich and transcendentally orgasmic baroque period wanted. The worlds movement forward will always be stagnate when those as dim witted as you exist.
>tfw the best interpretation of Clair de Lune has an unhealthy audience
Always count from the bottom.
A, B, C#.
Just playing that on the piano I know its a major third.
The other option (if you don't have an instrument around, or its a cunty interval) is to count semitones. See pic.
distance from A - C# is 4 semitones. a major third.
It would be cool to have a multiplayer piano with sheet music as well....
Made a room on multiplayer piano anyway
>Schubert considered Mendelssohn's first piano trio to be a high point of 19thC chamber music
That's really interesting seeing as how HE DIED BEFORE MENDELSSOHN EVEN COMPOSED IT YOU STUPID IDIOT.
What the fuck was I talking about Schubert for? Schumann... Schumann only. My mistake