happy 30th bleeproduction, everyone
>You have until saturday to produce a song. We are posting here on Saturday primarily, there are those who probably can't post until sunday but the goal was saturday.
>Also, you can't just drop your song link like a SC thread, you have to talk about what you did, what you were going for, cool things you did in the mix. Talk about what you did technically, this is a learning experience. The comments shouldn't be like "Nice" or "Cool song", you either post something constructive or don't post something at all. Either way, there are gonna be anons who read all the technical shit that you post and that's the whole reason we're doing this first anything goes challenge.
Hey, guy(s), I have a question. What's good about vintage drum machines? I get the charm of analog synths, but could I get an example that uses an old drum machine to particularly great effect?
the big turnoff here for me is having to describe music
whenever I do that... it makes me feel so pretentious. I don't like having to explain myself like that, it feels like I'm afraid of the listener somehow perceiving the song in a wrong way, which would obviously be my own fault. I don't want to spoil it.
Update on my non-challenge WIP from the last thread, I think I will have to re-record the vocal takes, they're too mumbly and off-key, oh well... Maybe I won't have time to participate in the challenge after all :C
What are some examples of drum machines that are really pushing the envelope? I don't know a whole lot about them, but a lot of the demos I've seen is the same functions as plenty of others, just a difference in sound. What are some with crazy cool functions?
Examples of good modern drum machines that are worth using instead of software, then?
Bonus points if it's really worth it for the sound/workflow but doesn't cost an arm and a leg, because I bet you're gonna say Elektron.
Elektron's Rytm is one of the more modern ones, but pushing the envelope? I think you'll need to delve into software for that. One thing I'm trying to get to work is convolution processing and it's fun but a bit counter-intuitive. The sound is amazing though.
By the way, not that guy. Scout's honour.
Who gives a shit? Focus on what sound you're going for and what you're trying to improve upon, what you think you suck at or don't understand.
Being more technical about it like what you did with base samples, EQ'ing, compression, FX, transposing/warping, rhythms (quantized or not), any music theory like chord progressions or key changes or whatnot.
If you try to stay technical and focus on finding ways you can improve your craft, it'll probably feel less pretentious. Still, who gives a fuck, no one is going to judge you for it unless you're an arrogant twat about it, which you don't sound like you'll be ("lel u just dunt git it!"), THE WHOLE POINT is peer review and constructive criticism.
Literally the whole point of these challenges is to find ways we can get better or try new things in our tracks, not advertising or getting new fans or anything. Think of it like a science conference or some shit, but for music producers.
Called it ;)
Also idk, sounds like the Rytm can push the envelope pretty hard if you want it to:
I believe you can even load in your own samples too, so you can get pretty crazy with it from what I've seen.
Yeah, it can push it, it's just that I've known about parameter lock and other things for long enough that it doesn't seem "new" to me. Having most of the past Elektron features in one box is cool though.
Yeah, but at the end of the day it is an instrument. If you're starting out you're not going to buy a top of the line SQ2 kit or whatever the hell DW makes, you'll go for something older and/or less beefy. It's the same with these things (and DAWs for that matter), they're not just soundboxes.
1500$ for a toy/soundbox is expensive, but for a musical instrument you intend to delve into it's not that much (once you're past the intermediate stage)
Got any good youtube demos? Do the tubes really make a difference? Is it good for IDM instead of just EDM?
There are various models: The ER-1 which is the budget version, the blue one (EMX1) in your pic which uses synthesis and the red one (ESX1) which uses samples. YouTube demos of these 'chines are aplenty.
And tubes always make a difference, especially when you replace the stock tubes
I just want to get one machine for a good price (in the sense of "best bang for the buck" style).
Having something that matches up well with my soon-to-arrive microbrute would be nice too. It's got MIDI Out which is nice in that respect.
A lot of the youtube videos are House-style stuff which is why I ask if you can do more with it than that.
If the sampler is especially powerful I may consider that, but idk if it can really compete with software sample manipulation.
>And tubes always make a difference
I remember a few years back in the guitar world where companies were sticking an arbitraty valve in every product because then they could market it as "that tube tone!!11!" and people would lap it up.
If you already have a synth that can do drummy sounds, get the sampling one, otherwise I'd go for the other 2.
And you can do anything with a drum machine if you have the talent, really, IDK why so many people make House demos with it actually.
Check this out maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOrBVp3uZ0
the best drum machine / sequencer for money is the octatrack. search your feelings.
there's nothing wrong with buying a particular piece of gear because it provokes you, but i haven't seen many other pieces of gear as versatile as the octatrack.
Doing some research on GS, these sorts of threads are pretty common and bother me:
Sounds like the originals are pretty solid though, I may just get the original ES-1.
I have Boss DR-55, Boss DR-110, Boss DR-202, Boss DR-220a, Boss DR-220e, Boss DR-550, Boss DR-660, Roland CR-78, Roland CR-8000, Roland JD800 + Dance Card, Roland MC09, Roland R-5, Roland R-8, Roland TR-505, Roland TR-606, Roland TR-626, Roland TR-707, Roland TR-727, Roland TR-808, Roland TR-909 and Roland XV-5080.
Can't upload them all right now, but if you guys have requests, I can put up a few of them.
My ignorance is over whether I could get better sounds out of the SX since you could technically feed it any sort of sound and process it, whereas with the synthesis you only get what the synth in the box is capable of generating itself.
So I'm leaning towards the sampler, actually the ES-1 instead, found one locally for around $100, I'm wondering if someone's gonna be like NAW DUDE THE MX (or ER-1) MAKES <insert godly sound here> YOU GOTTA GET IT IT'S SO GOOD MAN! or something...
like why should i get a drum synth instead of a sampler that can take in anything, seems more versatile idk
Note that i've also heard that the new ones, the EMX and ESX, sound a lot more "over produced" and cleaner/thinner than the originals, which also turns me off a bit. I want something with character.
Basically gonna get the ES-1 unless someone can really convince me otherwise. Being able to take in any sound and mangle the fuck out of it sounds like a lot of fun to me, but just wanted to check in with you guys first incase i was missing something.
>DR-55, Boss DR-110, Boss DR-202, Boss DR-220a, Boss DR-220e, Boss DR-550, Boss DR-660, Roland CR-78, Roland CR-8000, Roland JD800 + Dance Card, Roland MC09, Roland R-5, Roland R-8, Roland TR-505, Roland TR-606, Roland TR-626, Roland TR-707, Roland TR-727, Roland TR-808, Roland TR-909 and Roland XV-5080
It's up now.
one of the kicks is already reinforced with a sine wave, but it's the very low end
I kinda like this now, I did need high end on the kick.. like 5k's http://clyp.it/4345khch
So i've been messing around on FL studio making 16 bar loops of random 808's and essentially relying on putting effects and distortions on certain channels only.
How should i really branch out to improve myself, i feel really limited and stuck..
Should i just go straight onto learning how to build a complete track with a basic structure and apply my shitty loops on that format?
there's a whole lot more you can do within the confines of your software than just 808 loops. work with melody, work with song structure, work with synth design, and work with things that aren't 808's
IT'S FINALLY HERE, HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT!!! :_D
Been playing with it for like 2 hours straight now lmao.
And... who was it that said the bass wasn't fat? Hmmmm?
So fucking happy right now.
so glad you are rediscovering your child-like wonder and excitement with this thing
For $250, I'm happy with it :). I like a bit of grit in the low end instead of being so creamy-smooth anyways, but I'm sure later in life I'll wind up getting at least one moog just to see what all the fuss is about. Probably a Sub37 way in the future when I can afford it.
MS20-Mini is next :)
Sorry can't stop smiling this shit is so fun, and I haven't even got into doing crazy shit with the mod matrix yet lol.
For anyone interesting: the minikeys are actually quite nice and sturdy with a good action. Might break if you're rough with them or tour with it or something, idk, I don't plan on doing that, but at least brand new out of the box they're pretty enjoyable and easy to play, not annoying.
Brute Factor works pretty damn well in the 30-50% range. Not quite sure how to handle the Fifth option yet.
Also, the Guitar Chord Picture Encyclopedia is quite nice.
I mean, obv it's for guitarists, but it shows you ever chord imaginable, with pictures of every way you can fret those chords. I found it easy to take those skills and then apply them to keyboard.
Question about mixing:
My songs sound anemic and lifeless. Everything sounds like it's playing through a tin can.
I was wondering:
I don't use the Master reverb/delay channels in Ableton. I just add reverbs and other effects to each track separately. What I was wondering is, if I have 2 or 3 channels with, say, reverbs in them, is there a possibility that there is some...signal "crossover"? I am not sure if I am using the right term, but it is like when you have speakers out of phase and the lower/bass signals cancel each other out. Is this why my songs sound so anemic?
Alternatively, I would love to hear any advice in improving that (that doesn't involve compressing the shit out of my tracks)
>inb4 "use Goodizer"
somebody shoop greentext in there for the guy with the girl on his shooulders
>my shoulders hurt
>I wish she would get off
>nobody's kissing me
>why am I even doing this
>I wish I was at home listening to bleeps
try using sends for your reverbs(or any effects for that matter) nothing wrong with using multiple different reverbs but it wouldnt hurt to send multiple sources to the same reverb and see if it helps you sound more cohesive.
Hope I'm not bothering you guys with this, but did another demo.
I've been doing this, experimenting with very high LFO rates with the PWM.
Oh god it sounds so fucking nice.
Even the pops every now and then are interesting lol.
Let me know what you guys think.
Question, though: Is it possible to do this sorta stuff with digital?
I've pretty much only used NanoStudio (which has a VA 2 osc synth) and Audacity, never been able to get these sorts of sounds before. Certainly not as easily.
That said, I don't think there's a PWM on the Eden synth. But i just mean like, VST's in general, maybe Diva can idk.
does anyone want to buy an ARP OMNI 2 ?
the capacitors have been REPLACED so you don't have to worry about that. only problem is 3 broken keys and a few dirty/noisy/disconnected key contacts
if not, where can i sell this and make sure that it gets into the hands of a MUSICIAN and not a COLLECTOR (so not ebay)
I've never tried doing super-fast LFO stuff, could you explain what Aliasing means? I've heard it used before, I assume it's like stepping but for frequency rates?
Still, holy fuck this analog stuff sounds so sexy. I could spend hours using different oscillator settings with the PWM LFO near the audio range (i.e. near the highest point, and manuevering it around ever-so-slightly like I did in that demo I just posted).
Voltage control is truly amazing. It's my first day with it and all, but really don't know what to say, I'm reaaallllyyyy enjoying this. Not even making songs or anything, but just listening to changing tones.
oh, thanks for the website.
yeah, it's a really simple fix that could probably done at home (by someone more skilled than myself) but nobody in my area is willing to do it because they're scared of touching such an old synth.
Aliasing happens when a DAC is trying to reproduce frequencies near or above the Nyquist frequency (1/2 the sample rate). That's why digital synths sound trashy in the upper registers. That's also why high end DACs have very high sample rates.
I can certainly do the repairs, but I'm in no mood for sourcing keys and cleaning contacts these days, shit's way too busy.
Are there no keyboard techs in St. Louis? I find that hard to believe when my town has one.
So I havent checked out these bleeprodution threads before.
Is this for solely electronic music made with hardware synths/drum machines or is it open for discussion about general electronic production as well?
You're probably fine as long as it's not some acoustic guitar recorded straight into a mic and that's it, basically.
If you're doing MIDI and using at least 1 synth or chopping/manipulating samples, you're cool.
Some people might be dicks about you not using analog or whatever, but they only do it out of love.
Above all else, we're trying to help each other get better at making music in DAW's. We also like to talk gear but if you ever have a question about how to mix shit or how to get a certain sound, we'd be happy to help (to the best of our collective ability) :)
I've got a Small Clone, a spring reverb unit, like five delay pedals, graphic EQ...
Just looking for something synth-friendlier, with some more parameters. Possibly even MIDI?
in my 6 years here on 4chan, I dont think I ever have read such a polite reply.
>Possibly even MIDI?
Well if you're down with computer, you might as well just run your synth through every free VST imaginable.
They have ratings, so sort and use the highest rated ones in each category and go from there, or just try random ones depending on what you're looking for.
shiiit, I never thought of that. unfortunately I'm on an old computer and running a DAW ain't pretty, pic very related
>300 MHz G3 processor, 6 GB hard drive, and 32 MBs of RAM
How in hell do you even make anything run smoothly on that, and if you do I take my hat off for you. I'm on a 3.0 ghz 16g ram laptop and even on this, shit sometimes choke a bit.
>being on an "old computer
why is this still a thing...
getting a decent computer should be the next priority beyond food, water, shelter, clothing, and medicine. i mean cmon man, you don't live in africa.
learn how to put one together with OEM parts, its not that hard. can build a really nice comp for only around $1500, maybe even less, search newegg for deals.
>for only around $1500
$1500 will get you an "entry level, high-end" system
Unless OP wants to use his computer for gaymen, he can put a more than capable system for less than $800 if he knows where to shop
When it comes to muzak production, you should spend a good chunk of money on a pair of good monitors. If you find monitors too flat or "boring" and don't want to buy a second set of speakers, get a pair of fairly "neutral" speakers and a tripath amp (neard-audiophile quality for less than $100, hard to believe isn't it)
As for the computer, stick with AMD (muh cores, but cheap). Get around 12 gigs of ram (unless your workflow is shite and you need to load too many channels, effects and VST's), a SSD if you want fast speeds when loading samples
Is the mini your first analog, too? Micro is my first.
Seriously, that LFO-PWM demo I did (not possible with the Mini I believe since it doesn't have the mod matrix)... just fucking amazing. Giving me tingles, man.
Gonna have so much fun just connecting the LFO to different parameters and making slight adjustments while it's high as fuck. Unfortunately I get some "clicks" if I use the VCA in gate mode instead of doing the envelope, so I've been keeping it in env mode to avoid that, but I honestly don't mind. Don't know if that's common to analog synths in general or just the microbrute, but I don't mind keeping the envelope on amp env duty.
>maybe even less
I was mostly pointing out even the upper limits aren't that big of a deal, again especially considering if he learns how to make his own PC with OEM parts.
I was able to get 16 gigs DDR3, i7 3.07 GHz and a 120GB SSD as well as a nice GTX 770 (not really applicable to music tho), among other things, in that price range a year or two ago, just gotta know where to look and keep a lookout for deals.
I know not everyone knows how to build their own PC from OEM parts but it's really a valuable skill to learn and will save you a lot of money in the long run.
Ah, fair enough.
Have fun with it, man. Again, if it's your first it'll blow your mind once you start doing some insane shit with it. I had been using digital stuff for the past 3 years and I'm blown away by what is probably considered a pretty basic analog synth.
I mean, it's fun as fuck too, great interface, but I care more about the end product of the sound, and it definitely delivers. Mini is great too I'm sure with the extra envelope and such, but I'd (personally) rather get the MS20-mini as my "big boy" analog after this.
Does anyone know if it is possible to perform a firmware update on an xbase 999 via the midi input, or wether this type of thing is possible with a midi cable at all? I'm trying to change the operating system of the machine and I know it is totally a thing you can technically do, yet there are only audio jacks, midi connections and the power supply on the back of the Jomox. There's no immediate access to the chip which stores the OS/samples as far as I can tell, at least not without opening the thing.
I've said it before, I'll say it again:
spend the like, ~$50 extra for the scarlett 2i4 instead of the 2i2.
It has MIDI I/O, just do it. I had to buy a shitty USB to MIDI cable, don't make the same mistake I did.
2i2 owner here. Still great interface for cheap btw, those microbrute clyp.it demos were done through it with no FX, compression, or anything. Just clean signal.
Alesis monitor one MKII (PASSIVE) and a reasonable power amp, or alesis RA if you can't afford one, is the best for the money imo.
NFC how they cocked up the powered ones but they're awful, don't bother.
This. Most chink class driver midi interfaces take a shit if you throw large sysex at them or even fast clocks. If you need to drive a lot of outboard, get a good dedicated interface. Otherwise, at least make sure your audio interface has midi. Not all gear recovers from a failed sysex OS update.
hello /bleeproduction/. do you guys have a pastebin or a chart for beginners? i've been playing guitar for years and lately i've been meaning get into keys. i don't expect to be spoonfed, but it would help a lot to hear how you got started, or to get some advice. thanks.
we don't have a pastebin yet, just pirate a DAW and look up tutorials and shit.
if you wanna make music with a keyboard on your computer then you get a midi keyboard and use it with your daw.
Microkorg is bad for the money, it's outdated and underpowered compared to similarly priced options.
If you're willing to spend around $500, seriously consider the waldorf blofeld.
I really recommend you download some daw and play around with some internal synths/effects just to get a feel for certain parameters.
Alternatively, if you insist on starting with hardware, pic related is a great synth in your price range (second hand)
thanks. as i said before i don't have a computer i can use for this kind of stuff, that's why i want to start with hardware. i'll look into this particular synth. however price is an issue, so if worse comes to worst, what's the most affordable decent piece of hardware i could get started with in your opinion?
$500 is my budget, the problem's where i live
>heavy taxation on $200+ imports (think 50%-%100+ prices)
i have to rely on international sellers willing to fake price tags in order to avoid taxes
thanks, i had seen this list before.
Alright, I'm kinda new to production and I was wondering if anyone could help me a bit. After you make the drum and bass stuff, where do you go after that? Like how you would go about adding more stuff, cause whenever I do everything just kinda sounds off to me.