no vapor thread? no. vapor thread.
The social/political critique, the fact it rose from the underground (in this case obscure corners of the internet), attracts a lot of younger, anti-conformist people, and has its own unique aesthetics. It pretty much is the punk of the internet era.
I think in most cases it's helped the genre, just as the relative ease of making punk music helped it (basic song structure, simple chords, you don't have to be a great singer), because it allows anyone to contribute to it, and bring their own unique ideas in, their own source material, new production techniques, etc., that help broaden the genre. Like, it pretty much started off with just chopped up, slowed down pop music, but now you've got video game soundtracks, television soundtracks, crazy backwards shit, etc.
Dunno. Maybe something like: "Nobody has anything to say and they're saying it in the mosty lazy way possible?"
It worries me that vaporwave is supposed to be the modern equivalent of punk.
I believe the genre is going to be assimilated and blurred with popular culture until it's crushed into air.
Woah, American Psycho vapor. Sounds awesome. What about it would be too "on the nose"? I'm not the most educated on the vapor ideology other than it's a critique of heavy capitalism
I think literally everything can be used in vaporwave, just how rock and roll in the 50s was guitar/bass/drums, and that was how it traditionally was, but then in the 60s, bands incorporated a much wider range of instrumentation.
who's forcing their broperwave garbage down anyone's throats here? you seem very angry. everyone else is having civil discussion except you. has something happened in your life that has caused you to feel so bitter today?
>What about it would be too "on the nose"?
Well, American Psycho is about the superficiality, corruption, and violence inherent in capitalist society, particularly during the 1980s, so it seems almost too obvious to use.
>brave new world
Now, THAT would be a great inspiration for future vaporwave projects.
What about samples in the vein of Peter Soto's "Buyer's Market"? Would that cross the line?
Sadwave, a reaction to the Sadboys movement and the glorification and appropriation of self-harm on Tumblr that aims to mock the entire aesthetic of Tumblr (obsession with vintage, overwrought feminism, aforementioned self-harm issues, and television and movie fandoms) by taking it to extreme levels
Not sure I get what you're saying, not a native speaker.
The ideologies of the genre are based on having no actual content. It's regurgitation.
A "vaporwave influence" would be a great excuse for producers and artists to make pop music even more flat and sterile.
I don't think the ideology of embracing emptiness instead of rebelling against it can be very healthy for music. As good an outlet for passive agression it may be.
As an aesthetic though I thing this shit will thrive.
So if vaporwave takes the pop music and throwaway music of the 1980s and combines it with a visual aesthetic of the 1990s computer boom, Sadwave would take the 2010s 'indie rock' music that is so popular among teenagers on the internet (Arctic Monkeys, Wavves, Vampire Weekend, Imagine Dragons, etc) and use that as the musical basis. Theme wise, it would critique the way Tumblr and other places like it on the internet depict sadness and depression and self-harm as something that is chic. Visually, it would probably be an overdone version of the sort of vintage 50s aesthetic used by people such as Lana Del Rey. Honestly, she would probably be a big part of it considering her music is part of the fuel in the 'sadness is cool' fire. Hope that makes sense
Do you think that would make a good album?
Do you think campy/ironic/meme media has gone too far to the point of being counterproductive?
Other questions for everyone:
What relation does vaporwave have to cyberpunk media and philosophy? To trans/post-humanism?
I think vaporwave artists are a sign of this culture already enveloping us.
It is acceptable to be a fucking sheep.
This wave of artists in the genre are concious enough of the ideology. What about the idiots that are going to imitate this glorious musical achievement 20 years from now?
Do you have an opinion?
Or are you just messing with me, dick-in-hand?
I don't think enough people know what vaporwave is. I have never met a person irl who knew what it was unless I've told them. The only people I know who know vapor are here; this is where I learned about it.
An interesting reaction against an alienating market culture that exists in N.A
However, I don't see any critical break in method or technology to really set it apart in a deep way. Maybe if it included experimental technology or appropriated some avant guard contemporary philosophy it'd be more than a music niche; anti-corporate music and art genres has existed for decades.
The only future I can see for vapour wave is a lady gaga reference, maybe
How about a transgressive album intermingling samples of the last words of death row inmates and inspirational quotes from children with cancer?
It could oscillate between mocking our culture's superficial sentimentality and to a genuine acknowledgement of the sadness of death.
That would be cool. vektroid should create a new, obscure alias, and make something that intentionally sounds as repetitive and drawn out as possible, like twenty minute tracks of the exact same thing looped, and then wait for everyone to call her out on her crappy broperwave, before revealing herself to the world.
Fluxus was an atonal music genre that came together immediately after world war 2. It was often literally the sound of destruction
Market dystopia- Alienation people feel in an economy focused social system ( money comes before people)
wouldn't add anything new to the genre tho
Original content, raw sounds incorporated into sterile, cynical soundscapes.
Yung Lean - Awkward raps with rough edges autotuned and drowned in syrupy vapor-beats
How about we invert that: the sterile soundscapes are the authentic expression, while the raw sounds are cynical? It would invite the listener to actually pay attention to the lyrics and realize that manipulation can happen in any style or genre.
> 5. State of being liquid through heat; Fusion. Rare.
> of being liquid through heat
His art was literally selling, he predicted the future of the art market and how people responded to celebrity, he did youtube before youtube
Hell yeah he was a sellout, that was the whole point of warhol as an artist
We could probably poke fun at Michael Cera and the "quirky" teen movies.
Speaking of quirky, what does everyone think of post-post-modernism/metamodernism/digimodernism/transmodernism/remodernism or whatever we are calling the upcoming trends in culture?
I don't even know where to start... The instrumentation isn't that hard to imitate, but it's something about the chord structure and layering that I can't seem to match, and if I come close it just doesn't feel right, it just sounds spacey and weird as opposed to 80s/90ish
Maybe you are focusing too hard on creating something "meaningless".
Muzak serves a certain purpose, it's not just random background noise.
Don't deconstruct while arranging the source material for your Vaporwave destruction.
To be honest, I haven't really put that much thought on the cultural backlash behind the ideology, oddly enough. Personally, I find the personal aspect more interesting, the fact that people (myself included I suppose) find drowning themselves in the waste-waters of a capitalistic dystopia is really interesting to me, I mean sure you could say that some people like it ironically, but there's something about this genre that feels good and I don't think it should.
Also, now that I listen to it, what I'm making isn't even close to vaporwave/elevator music
I have been trying to replicate the sound as well not getting any luck either. You said the instrumentation isn't hard to imitate what assuming your using soft ware what are you using?
Just fl studio, but I suppose it's only the synths and keyboards that are easy to reproduce. For stuff like bass or sax, I've got nothing.
Still, I think being able to make non-sampled based vaporwave would be awesome
digit fortune is so good im crying... http://digitalfortune.bandcamp.com/releases
I am really into things that are eerie. When I first heard vaporwave, it was mac plus and at first me and my friends were just laughing and taking it as a big hipster joke. But then I sat down and listened to more stuff and looking at the imagery associated. For example, in floral shoppe's cover, the city that's shown, it feels so distant and void of life, but it also makes me picture going building to building, examining old computers running windows 95 that have been left on showing what the user was last doing, roman statues lining the street, etc. I want to pick up the residual spirit of the times of a city that died due to its own vapidness, sorry if that's kind of indirect.
I guess it's just a curiosity thing
Honestly, anything that sounds kind of cheesy will work. Sytrus ones in particular seem to work fairly well, two that I've used are called saw to square and razor lead in synth string.
copyright laws, in their current state (i.e., developed to protect the interests and profits of big companies) suck a fat cock, and deserve to be broken as much as possible. creativity is the yard, and copyright is the fence.
honestly the "sad" music genre is from what I have seen from being on soundcloud is now moving toward more of a Blink 182/ pop punk atmosphere. Which makes sense considering the lyrics and overall feel of both genres are very similar. Some people are even going so far as to sample those bands from that era.
I have a sense that it's happening right now, or very shortly, but I think its going in a way similar to how dubstep transformed as it became mainstream. I think the music in the near future that will be widely identified as Vaporwave will be very different from what it was based on. I think that's already happening with stuff like Blank Banshee (don't get me wrong, I love his stuff, but I would not group it will typical vaporwave)
Because in order to make something that sounds almost exactly like that you would need to produce music exactly like what they were making in that time period. Its not impossible but a lot of that music was being pushed out fast in nice studios. It really depends on the type of "vapor" youre talking about, however most people just pitch down funk/soul music.
it can and should be more intelligent than punk, and create something essentially its own, we live in a period of technological excess, we have more than punk had and should be able to create more
Nothing really, I'm sure the aesthetic will live on to something bigger and it will musically influence people though. This has happened to so many genres over the years. I can definitely understand the association to punk music. I don't really agree with a lot of what people are saying about the anti-capitalist/acceleration ideals of the genre (I personally think its a bit of an over analysis) but can also understand the association as well. I personally think it just started with oneohtrix and thats where most of those ideals about the genre came from. It then moved into more of the 80's/70s chopped and screwed funk and soul. It then intermingled when that internet club and other shit came out.
Probably a nice dose of existential crisis, though I'm way out of my depth to talk about that; I feel like society nowadays is terrified to be "ordinary."
Also, I wanted to ask a question so I can clarify a theory I have, what is nightcore and is it similiar to vaporwave?
Ahhhh, it wasn't what I thought it was, but the theory I had was that I think that vaporwave actually will take off, but only as an aspect of a greater movement. I've noticed that the 80's and 90's seem to be making a resurgence as a whole and I think vaporwave is right up the alley of the movement, albeit a weird version of the idea, but still. A couple of years ago on /v/, I feel like I saw the phrase neo-80s everyday. Of course I could just be a bias as I grew up in the wake of the 80's and it's really just my generation rediscovering what's already been.
Does anyone else have any evidence of a neo 80/90s movement? Or do they think the idea is plausible?
god damn it, why can't you fucks just leave these threads alone, maybe I should start going into every post-punk or what ever thread and claim that everyone that listen to it are just ironic edgy edgesters, in fact this could be done with any genre, stfu
what the christ are you talking about? there already has been a new 80s movement. Also vaporwave took off a while ago, there were quite a few synthpop bands incorporating elements of it into their music in early 2013
well that explains everything
yeah it's just a tiny college station. Since we're label as an educational station, I don't *think* there'd be anything wrong, but I've never actually stopped to think about the legal implications of playing vaporwave/plunderphonics on a radio show
>a few synthpop bands
>also a movement happens quickly, in just a couple of years and leaves just as quick
But no that's right, you can tell what's going to be culturally important in almost no time at all. Go fuck yourself.
also, I'll add, that I'm pretty sure the stations only have to pay royalties to the songs that are being sampled, which they are already doing in the first place if it's big network like the satalite radio companies. It's the same as if they were to do a live mix or something.
And you can't tell if something is truly a "movement" in even 4 years. Most music can't be discerned as culturally important in terms of history until like 50 years. Just because something is the shit right now or was just a few years ago doesn't mean it's a movement, it has to be remembered a long time down the line.
why would we care if it's cool to like it or not? it's music made by anti-social nerds that are obsessed with 80s imagery. Who the fuck would think something like that would have anything to do with being cool in the first place?
if anything wouldn't that make the point stronger? Now there's a tons of stuff happening, but people are forgetting them faster or never experiencing certain things because it just never got to them. Added to that, attention span is sinking like a rock.
so the tea party isn't a movement? and neither was the "ocupy x" thing? or the internet movements against US anti-piracy measures? Also most of what you just said has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not something is a movement or not.
Just check dream catalogue like twice a week. They have new stuff almost every time I go there
I didn't say there wasn't more out there, I was responding to what you said about coming to these threads for the ambient trap stuff, and IN THESE THREADS blank banshee is usually the only thing of that type that ever gets mentioned. But you will just twist things into what you want anyhow because 4chan I guess.
well the album cover and fonts are ugly as hell and that's about all I can say about it because I've never heard of it before, probably because it's you trying to promote yourself...
I remember some anon spamming this all over /mu/ a few months ago, but they just stopped all of a sudden and Sleep Spell hasn't uploaded any new songs since then. Maybe he/she died?
Well judging solely based on the album art, it looks like it was made from a screencap of some WMP visualization and then some shitty fonts were slapped ontop of it. 1/10, would not even attempt a listen.
i saw this on the bandcamp thread, i don't know if it's good enough to be vaporwave.
>people who grew up in the 00s making music with "90s aesthetic"
Is there a more try-hard genre? Even nu-metal is less cringe-worthy in comparison.