I don't get vaporwave. If the genre is a paradoy or critique of consumerism do people legitimately like it or is it just art that's meant to be appreciated as art and not music?
Because if you're meant to buy into the empty corporate sound of it as critique but also enjoy it as music isn't the entire genre inherently hypocritical? You're enjoying exactly what you're opposing.
I do enjoy pic related, but for the most part this whole "movement' really confuses me. Maybe someone can clear it up.
Originally it was a conceptual genre that was so thickly based in artistic appropriation and postmodern irony that it blended a few different ideas and as the sort of critique you were describing. It explored themes of commercialism and nostalgia.
Now, though, it's been latched onto by a bunch of tumblrfags who keep trying to play up the vaporwave aesthetic and they're keeping the genre alive long after it should have just died. It's really passe now.
Can we talk about how shit Floral Shoppe is? He literally just took really commerical radio music from the early 80s, slowed it down in FL Studio or a similar program, and then give it a cover with a bunch of trendy Tumblr imagery.
> If the genre is a paradoy or critique of consumerism
It's not, that's just what it erroneously says on Wikipedia because of a stupid article written by a guy who doesn't even listen to vaporwave
It wasn't conceptual to begin with. The conceptual part came after to rationalize it all. It came from internet nerds instinctive desire to create "new age fun with a vintage feel". This instinct drove people to make bad art and do obnoxious things and so they had to intellectualize it after the fact.
This is why I don't like Floral Shoppe. At least Eco Jams has interesting composition and the samples are enjoyable.
Floral Shoppe seems so lazy and the samples aren't even interesting.
this is generally who popularized the genre in the first place though
i don't know about james ferraro or OPN, but all the other artists are exactly that
>It explored themes of commercialism and nostalgia
this is on the right track. we are living in a brand society. you remember some good parts of your life because of brands.
also, every decade has a zeitgeist. the 2000- 2010 is one of terror, cold steriel architecture, empty technology, commericial globalism, etc. so people grabbed stuff from beter times. first is was sincere, then people made it ironic. and people really don't care anymore.
macontoch plus is sincere i think. it's sounds to good to be ironic, the musician who made really like the sounds.
This thread is now vaporwave general.
Where do you see vaporwave going in the future? Is it dyeing? Is it dead? Has it been dead for years?
Can it break into the mainstream? If it can what aspects of it? The sampling? The sound? The artistic commentary?
Well that's simpler than what I was thinking. I was under the impression that it was something along the lines of capitalism/commercialism becoming such a huge force, that what is being analyzed as art (the vaporwave music in question) could simply be comprised of audio samples of commercial music. Some sort of 2deep4u commentary about how capitalism itself is now being analyzed as art. I don't know.
That's kinda the initial theme, but if you listen to some newer vaporwave (macross 82-99 etc) it kinda loses those themes and is more just bad 80s 90s chopped and screwed.
Which is an improvement if you ask me.
Vaporwave was originally conceived purely for its aesthetic as a relation to the work of James Ferraro, Daniel Lopatin, and Skeleton.
The accelerationist and social critique were later applied by one of its creators (Vektroid), but not in any particularly serious manner.
Copycats then adopted the aesthetic as well as the social critique in various capacities
What you are then left with is a fluid mix of people appreciating just the sound, just the aesthetic, just the politics, and any combination of the three. None of any option is better than any others, and all are valid appreciations of vaporwave.
I could see bits of it breaking into the mainstream. Depends on your definition of mainstream. If you mean mainstream as in people other than /mu/ even know what it is then yeah. If you mean like actually popular and on the radio then probably not.
I could definitely see people manipulating its sound into something more popular. But if it stays in its current form it will just stay an obscure footnote in musical history.
honestly i go total pleb and just enjoy it without trying to attach a meaning to it or whatever. i just like the sound.
i think in general the groups are split. people who genuinely like it, people who like it for social purposes, analyzers, etc. all three are present in all music fan groups
i guess to accept and enjoy it as a critique would be like enjoying a good argument for something you oppose? you don't agree but you understand.
that or i just misunderstood everything you were getting at. just throwing in my two cents.
Why is it whenever you faggots make a thread about vaporwave you only mention James Ferraro or Macintosh Plus? Seems like you shitpumps listened to a couple albums and became scholars of the genre overnight. Educate yourselves shitlord cis scum.
Why is it whenever you faggots make a thread about vaporwave you only mention James Ferraro or Macintosh Plus? Seems like you shitpumps listened to a couple albums and became scholars of the genre overnight. Educate yourselves shitlords.
Here bro. I think most of it is free. More than enough albums to keep you entertained. Enjoy.
It's literally just situationist dada art except postmodern
if you understand that you understand why it's anti consumerist, and really, you're halfway to understanding vapourwave in it's entirety
the other half is having used to internet in the early 2000s and understanding the aesthetic
Except chopping and screwing done on Floral Shoppe is done very well, to the point where many of the songs become dissociative soundscapes.
>then give it a cover with a bunch of trendy Tumblr imagery.
Jesus fuck dude. You realize that shit became trendy BECAUSE of Floral Shoppe using it, right?
Yeah I know that /mu/ is bots now.
This fucking proves it
Fuck all the shit music on this website
Don't think of vaporwave as a parody or critique of anything because it's not.
Also I just want to say that the Wikipedia page is dumb and you shouldn't believe what it says about the meaning or message of vaporwave. I think people latch on to those beliefs because they want to justify their liking of the genre or try to explain it to someone and just say that, idk. People also call the genre ironic, which is not true most of the time. I guess you can believe what you want, it doesn't matter anyway.
vaporware is music for vain people that don't find it worth listening to something that isn't hip anymore.
Take Floral Shoppe, why not just listen to the original songs? Because it's not cool to listen to cheesy 80's music, they don't come with an artsy cover and aren't underground.
is this vaporwave?
I enjoy it Unironically ....as an affirmation of capitalism. It is also the last music genre to be created by man similar to how capitalism is the final political philosophy (see Fukuyama)
Vaporwave is such a sham genre. There is literally no effort or talent involved in making this kind of music. You basically just take some shitty 80s r&b pop song and make it as slow as possible. The whole "it's a parody of consumerist america" is bullshit, it has such an aimless and nonsensical direction, using 80s music with 90s artwork, and the occasional le epic windows 95 sounds. It's no parody, it's dumb ironic hipster shit making sure to utilize the most trendy shit possible, and you faggots eat this all up.
The album artwork is random shit from the 90s, but the music is basically slowed down 80s r&b, this genr.
But muh proletariat revolution
It's another one of those things, where "artists" make something that completely sucks, and then pull some "deep" bullshit about the art out of their asses.
If your art is any good, then you don't need to sit and constantly tell everyone what it means.
I can record my farts and the sound of me blending my shits, put a techno beat under it, and explain to everyone in great detail that it's about politics, because they won't be able to figure it out, because it's just farts and shit blenders and techno, and yet it'll be lauded as a work of high art. People have latched onto the idea that, just because you don't understand it, means it's good.
Countless artists have tackled the issues that vaporwave claims to be about, and have done so in far more tasteful ways, and have created works of true art. Slowing down Diana Ross and having Windows 95 album covers is not art.
Vaporwave artists mostly just rebrand the old music.
/mu/ says it's about "aesthetics", well, those people are kinda right, because the only thing this genre is trying to do is to convince you it has nostalgic feel, atmospheric sound and so on and sometimes it works.
>vaporwave is pointless
>trying too hard
>vaporwave isn't real enough
You guys hate it because you're afraid that vaporwave is more pretentious than you.
>appreciated as art and not music
>appreciated as art and not music
hopefully they go back to making original music
they can still latch onto the aesthetic, but instead they should go for a pc music/bubblegum bass sound, taking the vaporwave aesthetic and combining it with jpop/trance/uk bass/trap/house to make this beautiful genre
I liked Floral Shoppe because of the synth melodies played in some of the tracks. Chill and mellow. They remind me a little bit of the melodies in The Man Machine.
But no, I don't really get the genre
In economic terms the entry price to the vapourwave market is very low, all you need is some semi-obscure 1980's RnB, audio editing software and not very much skill. And people will eat this shit up and share it with people who have similarly poor taste online. Getting out now allows INTERNET CLUB and Macintosh plus to retain their somewhat authentic vapourwave cred.
For an anti-capitalist vektroid sure does act like a rational agent.
I personally enjoy it these days pretty unironically. The really slow chilled beats coupled with old synth sounds looped over create a really nice chilled vibe when done well (Internet Club, Chuck Person). I'm not a fan of the more funk based shit that has been churned out lately though.
Did you enjoy Floral Shoppe? And did you find any other artists that you like? I downloaded Ecco Jams vol 1 but I didn't like it that much.
I'm asking because you seem to have the same view on the genre as me.
i mean the pc music scene is original music, not just repurposed chopped and screwed
yeah, thats my main problem with it. the good vaporwave and the bad is just kinda mashed together. anyone with photoshop, obscure sample music, and fl studio can shit out a vaporwave release in half a day. theres no effort to it - which is why i love pc music. it may have come from vaporwave, but the music they make is original, catchy, and giddy, with lots of potential and a diehard fanbase
and i think pc music "gets" its own concept a lot better than vaporwave does
vaporwave critique parody capitalism aesthetics ironic post-consumer post-internet hypocritical vektroid eccojams originality Art Philosophy OH MY FUCKING GOD EVERYBODY SHUT UP FOREVER ABOUT THIS JESUS CHRIST
pc music is a label that is run by a.g. cook, who is a cohort of producer sophie. the label's style of music is like a fusion of uber catchy, poppy, "cute" music like jpop and 80s pop, but with a bassy, post-pop edge to it. there's also elements of trance and house depending on the producer. usually its called bubblegum bass or post-pop
they use a vaporwave aesthetic in the sense that it has these super corporate imagery, with lots of pink that emphasizes the themes they use. its my new favourite genre
they have sites for every one of their releases. check out the sites/ the songs, here are some of my favourites
Dux Content - Like You
A.G. Cook - Keri Baby feat. Hannah Diamond
Hannah Diamond - Pink and Blue
vaporwave sucks, i need to get rid of some of these tapes i never listen to
>music must fit into my preconceived box
yeah, i just threw away my old stack of garbage
I mean I only bring it up because of how hypocritical the whole vaporwave ideology would be if it wasn't just performance art. With something like death grips, which really isn't that out there, the performance aspect makes sense and doesn't seem generally retarded as a whole. But DG is pretty in-boxy anyway.
This is actually pretty fresh.
Im loving that playlist called "Top 40".
Maybe vaporwave still has some life left in it.
Vaporwave is all about nothing, so it's really hard to pin any kind of meaning when the genre (at least the canon) is not really cohesive at all. All of the greatest releases touch the subjects of nostalgia, post-modernism, materialism and I'd even say post-internet, where music becomes just a blend of all this ideas and turns into "vapour", just an accessory to instant gratification, no content at all. Artists then vary their approach: some use repetition and sample hits from the past while giving it an abrasive atmospheric feel, others choose a more futuristic approach where we can project our present, some just try to screw with the familiar and choose a "glitchy" aesthetic, less melodic and pleasant.
I'm fascinated with vaporwave and everything about its aesthetic and concept, it's so relevant in the 21st century. It's a shame that we have some great releases and lots of garbage underneath, it seems like either you understand what you're trying to achieve and produce a solid record or you ripoff the big names and do what they did but worse.