Here's a question. If you were to buy a low-budget analog synth like the Bass Station II, MS20 Mini, Sub Phatty, etc., what genre/style of music would you make with it, and how would you do it?
Every demo video I've ever seen of these things just involves some dude spamming one note while dicking around with filter sweeps.
How would you actually USE these?
these have audio out or MIDI out, and most likely MIDI in as well, at least the good ones.
You can either:
1. tweak a sound until you like it, then record the audio out
2. using it as a MIDI keyboard (pointless but you could), sending data on the MIDI out
3. you can buy a proper keyboard and use the MIDI in, the record the audio out.
I dont understand the question then, you can get creative with these a lot.
Most also have CV in which can can mainpulate every filter/OSC on it. You can send cv out with most modern DAW's.
What you ask isnt different from using a VST at all.
If you dont know what to use a VST for dont buy an analog synth but learn how it use a virtual one first with tutorials on youtube/groove3 etc.
I use mine in three main situations.
The first is multitracking, I use it as a single voice and record it a bunch of times. It helps to have music written out before you do this. It lends itself to some incredible harmonies.
The second is when I'm running sequences. I can run the microbrute on one sequence, the modular synth on another, play a poly with my left hand, and my mini with my right.
By far the most use I get with it is when I'm playing with my band. Accenting other parts like vox and guitar are typical, as well as basses and leads. Also on a couple of songs I will do sound effects like modulating a resonant filter with an audio rate oscillator and sending that to a mod delay.
You're really only limited by your own creativity.
I use my microbrute like you would a 303 or I hook it to a chorus and use an octave sequence for 80s basslines. I use my MS20 for IDM drum processing. The ms20 is also p dece at leads.
I'm fine with VST's for the majority of what I'd consider highly produced electronic music, If i'm bothering to take on the aesthetic of a legitimate analogue synthesizer it needs to be purposeful enough to be worth sacrificing the convenience for.
That means no sequencers and no quantizing, played live.
I'd do turn of the 80s/late 70s style pop music, acoustic drums and instruments, played live no sequencers. Think early gary numan or devo, dirty mind era prince, before digital sequencers capable of storing long chains of notes where the synth is treated as a member of a traditional band and an electronic/robotic aesthetic is not a goal.
>Remember to keep the mixer levels around 60% if you don't want distortion.
Ya I can read. I don't know if every unit does this, but when the master volume is to high I get a lot of noise coming out of the synth even if the osc mix is turned to 0 and the VCA isn't engaged. If your mix volume is lower you need to increase the master volume It appears to be related to the LFO.
I had a stroke so I cant play bass very good, but simple monosynth stuff I can do. I use the bass for the simple stuff, and the synths for more melodic and complex stuff.
Also I mix the recordings my band does, so I like to layer synths to fill the sounds. I cant really put into words what my band does, sorta half-assed shoegaze
Do you have any experience with VST's, , do you understand basic audio/electrical engineering (filters, generators, routing, modulation etc.), do you have proper gear, do you have experience with recording audio?
If the answer no to any of these you shouldnt buy a synth, but learn the basics first.
Though I'm a poorfag and I understand many can afford buying a proper synth and learning it on the fly, but its much easier to learn it in a DAW
And all of them sounded like shit compared to what we have today.
Unless you wanna make something like 80s analog sound, which sounds totally cheesy and cheap now, just listen to some old techno tracks.
I always suspected this analog thing is just something of a being a hipster for you guys, because you dont know about audio engineering either way, you just wanna be so pro and different without actually investing the time into it.
Feel free to waste years on something completely pointless because you dont know what the fuck you're doing then
This is the exact reason nobody likes the anti-analog people. They act like they know everything and talk down to everyone else.
Not everyone has to do things the way you do them. Get over yourself.
It's not like I went out and blindly bought the first synth I came across, everything prior to that was research and learning. I've got a basic understanding of synthesis and have some experience with recording but the entire goal is to understand more and a hands-on approach works best for me. I liked the features of the Microbrute plus the price was very appealing, of course.
I have analog and digital shit working together, but I have an EE degree and I know what I'm doing
Again, feel free to spend years experimenting with shitty sounds instead of opening a book
What the hell do I do with this stupid thing? It's a Kustom 88 electronic piano that mostly works. I weighs a fuck ton. It doesn't sound that cool.
Depends what you call shit.
>I always suspected this analog thing is just something of a being a hipster for you guys
I have had brain damage in my speech center of my brain, but I'm pretty sure that's not a proper English sentence. Also I use analog, digital, analogue models, samplers and soft-synths. Hard-synths give you tactile response and some people learn more through that then theoretical or being shown how to do it. There is not an objective way to learn to play an instrument.
> you dont know about audio engineering either way
It's not much, but I have an advanced diploma of sound engineering, so your wrong. Also, alot of people use synths in many different ways that aren't engineers. Engineers dont always drive F1 cars, and they dont always build bridges. They can, but other people can do it as well. Audio Engineering is the same.
when I first got into making music as a 16 year old, I obviously gravitated to guitar and piano initially. But I had all these synths in my library on Garageband (then even more once I upgraded to Logic) so I would start using them. But I could not for the life of me figure out why everybody else's music felt so robotic and fixed while mine was loose and felt like it could come unhinged at any second...
I was doing exactly as you were describing. It's like the punk-rock of electronic music. Not being locked in, but still very much capitalizing on the utility of the synthesizer. If I wanted an arpeggio to loop, I would play it until I got it perfect and then loop it myself.
I wish more producers would step away from the grid and give this style a try. Human hands still control synths, so why not let that show through in the music?
It's not much, like I said. Less than a degree, but more than a diploma. If I had taken a course in music theory I would have got the degree, but that's another year for shit I already know.
I would really say he was an inspiration to me in any capacity, but yes, yes I do.
I'm aware of that aesthetic in synth-punk and new wave (post-guitars), but in today's music, who actually physically "plays" the synth?
stop arguing about vsts vs hardware. both are fine, both are fun, both are different. i use a plethora of both because i have $$$ dont tell me how to spend my $$$ let people do waht they want!!!111!
Gotye really nails this shit, he's clearly a fan of VST's and digital shit too but uses that stuff and acoustic drums and what not and this album just sounds fucking amazing from an engineering/sound perspective.
ITT: Pricks who can't make good music trying to tell people people how to make good music via what you spend your money on.
I'll make a better tune than any of you lot by sampling the sound of my ballz hitting your chin.
I used to have a Hammond Romance Transistor beast that was pretty cool but it shorted out because old circuit boards come apart eventually
It was neat though, maybe not as neat at Gotye's bigass Lowry but still
Depends how much you're willing to spend.
Be aware that most hardware sequencers are a ball ache to learn but you can do great things if you put the time in and it's lush not staring at a computer while making music.
>now to learn how to synth
You made the right choice with the microbrute. It's probably the best synth in its price range to use to learn synthesis
Look up some video tutorials, there's a lot on YouTube. But a good way to figure it out is to just mess around