Holy fucking shit /mu/
I never was one to really believe in the whole 'viral marketing' thing that supposedly goes on here, but god damn were you guys right about oceangrunge >>51689965
The genre is so fucking forced up to the point where I may have wanted to check it out at one point, but now there's absolutely no hope
Yes, and furthermore see how many posts off-topically mention oceangrudge - seriously, check every single thread somewhat related to musical recommendations and such. I think it's just one faggot childishly shilling his newly found genre.
Yeah back in like 2011 and some of 2012 with the old emo generals by emoisntdeadiguess. I can't stand them now though, literally the same posts ad nauseum. Plus I don't really care for new emo or twinkly shit anymore (aka memo). I mostly stick to the old stuff.
i thought everyone knew this.... i mean it started from a mu dream genre thread the efdg guy was literally like "oceangrunge? this sounds cool one sec ill make some" and then came back like an hour later with that ep
That's too bad, there certainly were a few bands that were worshipped but occasionally a band I had never heard before would show up. I found Foxing in an emo general and I love that album to death.
I'm the guy who made the very first post with the word "oceangrunge". I'm sorry. It was just some stupid pisstake on the word "seapunk", and I didn't think any faggots would actually try to make something off of it.
I'm also 95% sure I know the guy who's spamming it off of 4chan.
It's not people spamming their albums. It's literally two or three people who browse Bandcamp threads for albums with water-based covers, then they'll email them saying that it's the NEXT BIG THING. If they don't agree, he'll post it in oceangrunge threads anyway. I distinctly remember Ryan Sinclair freaking out about how he didn't want his albums to be part of a joke genre, but there it is on the essentials chart.
If you actually listen to the essentials they sound nothing alike. Their only common element is the album covers.
I didn't know anon. I never could have known.
That's the one. And here it is, the birth of a nightmare:
Yeah I mean if you're into that sound that's cool. I myself don't really care for the pop-punky side of it and to some extent don't even consider it emo. But punk/hxc is what I really like anyway so I'm biased I guess.
I was too, saw through the meme then, see through the meme now
I'm coming for you poseidon in memes. You jig is up.
I can 100% see this. It's literally a fucking vanity project of like 10 people circle-jerking about album covers and meme unicode characters.
If I had to guess, the main 2 contenders for this spam are the poseidon in chains (memes) guy and the guy who made The Meme Friends
Anyone who seriously refers to anything they dislike and anything that isn't even close to being a genuine internet phenomena as a meme is a fucking narrow-minded child who gobbles up and spews the latest derogatory buzzword because they're too stupid to think for their selves.
The guy who makes the "that wasn't very oceangrunge of you" images is shanoxilt, the guy who made r/oceangrunge. He seems cool, and doesn't take it overly seriously.
Then there's someone else who insists that certain albums are oceangrunge (even if there's no definitive sound to the genre), and is actually trying to make the scene take off.
I don't think the Meme Friends are behind it, everyone knows that stuff is for fun.
Yeah I've seen people in the threads even say if they could take their album off their essentials lists saying that it isn't even oceangrunge or good
Even the guy who kickstarted it all (Sea of Dogs), has said that this whole thing is stupid and that he wants nothing to do with this.
The guy who probably takes it most seriously of all is the poseidon in memes guy who thinks he's some sort of pioneer and gets off on his other 3 friends spamming bandcamp links with whales on them calling him "the best oceangrunge producer to date"
I'm a certain musician who has an album on the list, and I'm considering asking them to take it off, just because of how much of a shitstorm this whole thing has become. It was supposed to be a joke, and now people are seeing my album alongside Poseidon In Chains and stuff like that.
he may be a dick, but he's definitely right
oceangrunge is trash, the aesthetic is trash, the community is a joke, the music if trash.
if you actually are, kind of brofist. you came up with an amusing idea that went to shit when it was actualized. w/e
IIRC the reason Sea of Dogs (or maybe Poseidon, I don't fucking know) renounced it was because he got mega butthurt he wasn't on an essentials chart and went on a huge rant about how he built the genre up from the ground, and that he's one of the greatest pioneers in experimental music, etc. And he was completely serious. Just shows how delusional oceangrungers are.
you;re implying oceangrunge has any staying power.
it's a shit genre with cheesy, childishly simple production techniques and no interest in quality control. it's trash.
vaporwave at least had some ideology behind, no matter how distanced it was from the music, and had enough momentum to push itself forward. it also came at at a time where post-internet ideologies and aesthetics were generally being discussed (they still are, of course, but their coincidence made vaporwave more relevant).
witch house actually had musical staying power, which we see from witch house still being made and played - this is to say that some witch house was actually good lol.
chill wave still has some interest because it's an amateur genre that is still somehow deeply moving. it might not be high quality music or still have momentum, but it's still something for the right mood, so it crops up every now and then.
ocean grunge doesnt have nostalgia, contemporary academic discussion, quality, or momentum behind it. it will be relegated to the status of meme faster than vaporwave became a joke, and arguably already is there
yeah I got that part, I didn't say stick to memo though
sea of dogs (the guy who made the first oceangrunge track and EP, aka the guy who did it in 30 minutes in the dream genre thread last fucking june) has said he wants nothing to do with it anymore because of the faggotry involved.
Poseidon in Memes is the one who's claiming he is some sort of pioneer and that he is experimenting with the genre and that because of him the genre is actually legit or some shit like that.
Ok this is literally just noise/ambient with ocean samples. It has nothing to do with grunge and does not constitute its own genre. People are fucking retarded and will do anything for their 15 minutes of reblogs. Ever since seapunk became a genre without bringing anything slightly new to music, things have been going downhill.
fairly big music sites are still covering seapunk, what are you talking about? I remember seeing a ton of shit about seapunk everywhere when ultrademon released his new album and it was only a few months ago
not sure if this is b8 or not. If not you are trully retarded. Its just ambient noise ran thru shitty reverb VST presets and ocean samples. Not vaporwave, not grunge. just poorly produced noise.
God damn, I never used to follow these micro genre things, but the Poseidon fellow's made it pretty fun
always makes me laugh seeing these flavor-of-the-months whose similarities only go skin deep (i.e: covers/assthetic) and even more so when folks take shit seriously.
why people dont create real microgenres instead of focusing on this clothing bullshite, lyrical theme bullshit or how the cover art will be bullshit
the only real microgenre created here I can remember is tonefield, but the songs SUCKS AS FUCKING HELL
this tonefield shit made, sucks so much I would want that a decent musician made an album, or at least some song, I would love to see how a decent tonefield would be (partially because colorfield is my favorite genre and tonefield was created when people tried to convert colorfield painting genre to a music genre)
shut the fuck up
Mark my words scumbag. I am seriously literally and objectively emotionally invested in watching the demise and exposing your meme-tactics to the world. If you want to pretend you're an underground meme internet artist that's okay, but you better wear a headband that says "I'M A FAGGOT" in capital bright red letters. You are literally and objectively a fucking meme. The other 5 impresionable 12 year olds spamming their shitty meme bandcamps may think you're some hot shit but I see right through tyour fucgikng MEME.
I spent the better part of 4 hours yesterdat arguing with 8 year olds thinking they're the pioneers of some le epib meme birth microgenre when in reality the whole thing is a PLAGIARIZED MEME IN IT OF ITSELF. IT USES A PLAGIARIZED MEME-AESTHETIC NOT ONLY COPIED BY ANOTHER MEME-MICROGRENRE, BUT TWO. IT IS ALL PLASTERED WITH SOME MEME-PHILOSOPHY AND MEME IRONIC EPIC POSTMODERN COVER ARTS WITH MEME UNICODE CHARACTERS FOR FUCKS SAKES. IT'S THE SINGLE MOST CONTRIVED CONCEPT TO HAVE EVER BEEN CONCEIVED OR THOUGHT UP BY A CONSCIOUS BEING ON THE ENTIRE MULTIVERSE.
YOUR MUSIC WILL FOREVER BE REGARDED AS A MEME OUTSIDE OF TYOOUR GROUP OF 4 FRIENDS SPAMMING MEME BANDCAMP LINKS TRYINGF TO BE MEME UNDERGROUND PRODUCERS LIVING IN A FANTASY MEME WORLD "PIONEERING" PLAGIARIZED MEMES
“Meme” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself.
It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker.
Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you’ve probably sensed the pattern on your own).
You can’t define what “that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle” actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That’s because you don’t use “meme” to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you.
The twist, of course, is that if it weren’t for your own insecurities, nothing that a “meme” could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - “Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I’m certainly not like those filthy memes!” - so you project those feelings.
Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a meme; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the authentic Us from the inauthentic, “ironic” Them.
tl;dr: if you believe memes exist, you are a patrician.
But on the real oceangrunge is a shitty meme
Mark my words genius. I am seriously literally and objectively emotionally invested in watching oceangrunge's development and promoting your patrician-tactics to the world. If you want to pretend you're not an underground superstar artist that's okay, but you better wear a headband that says "I'M A GENIUS" in capital bright red letters. You are literally and objectively a fucking patrician. The other 5 million impresionable prodigies honing their avant garde albums may think you're some hot and they are right.
I spent the better part of 4 hours yesterday arguing with 8 year olds who thought that oceangruge isn't the birth of a patrician microgenre when in reality the whole thing is a REVOLUTION IN IT OF ITSELF. IT USES A PATRICIAN AESTHETIC NOT ONLY COPIED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, BUT TWO OF THE MOST HIGHLY-REGARDED MUSICIANS OF ALL TIME. IT IS ALL OVERFLOWING WITH INSIGHTFUL PHILOSOPHY AND METAMODERN ART . IT'S THE SINGLE MOST CRAFTED CONCEPT TO HAVE EVER BEEN CONCEIVED OR THOUGHT UP BY A CONSCIOUS BEING ON THE ENTIRE MULTIVERSE.
YOUR MUSIC WILL FOREVER BE REGARDED AS A CLASSIC.
>Oceangrunge is a serious microgenre. It's just an acquired taste
its focused on bullshit themes and clothing and lyrics.
I am not talking about the work involved to do it, I am talking about bullshit like the metro-ko where they made "how to dress", "how cover art should be", "themes are:" and also said how are the characterisstics of the actual sound. Not only people didnt followed the characteristics part but guys on metro-ko thread complained when a newfag tried to understand the musical characteristics to try to make some album by himself and said "just focus on the themes"
oceangrunge is the same thing,
using a robe, talking about depressive stuff, death and space alone doenst make you a drone doom metal band, there is more stuff that make a band be a drone doom metal band [like as some example sunn o))) ]
This is what I am talking about, and not about the quality or lack or effort when making albums.
People can make real genres and yet they make this same bullshit, focusing on this how to dress, how to name songs, how to do cover art.....
Why not make a real music genre instead of wasting your time with that bullshit, specially when you are trying to make it sound like a real thing
good post and civil and totally just trashed the defense of oceangrunge. if you like the way it sounds i guess that's fine but it's silly to believe it will stick around once the checklist of themes gets old
the story of tonefield
people sometimes make a thread asking how steampunk music, cyberpunk music, is. This happen since years ago here.
Some guys sometimes told that the only real way to make it is to list down all the literary characteristics of those genres, then list down and convert them to musical ones using logic, literary and musical skills. A literary genre where books are large would have big songs as some example on his musical version.
Some guys started to reply with this kind of ideas on those "dream genre threads" we have this, one of the ideas was converting colorfield painting genre (search on google images for examples ) This was 2 or 3 years ago
This idea was reposted on many dream threads, and after some time, someone decided to convert the colorfield painting genre to musical one.
The end result was
1-song is mono (if its impossible to be mono, like on a cd, all channels have the same stuff)
2-Song start with a silent part or with a tone with same volume, amplitude and waveform during its entire lenght
2.1 The silent part of tone part must have at least 1 second
3- Song continue with a silent part or with a tone with same volume amplitude and waveform during its entire lenght
3.1 The silent part of tone part must have at least 1 second
4-if the song doenst have at least one tone part go back to 2, if it has at least one tone part, you can go to 2 or go to 5
5- song ends
After some amount of time people decided to try to do it, but many said the stuff sucked, so just few artists did the thing and so the stuff quickly died.
here is a label that group some of the tonefield made by mutants
>/mu/ makes an album
>that other older weekly thing that stopped happening, can't remember the name
>the meme friends
>the MEME friends
>THE MEME FRIENDS
>THE MEME FRIENDS
when will this reddit faggotry end?
yes but we are talking about genres
you must focus on how the song is, and not on theme
I could create some microgenre called cryptobeat
the themes would focus on privacy, right of anonimity, spreading ideas...
the clothing include using masks and etc...
album cover includes coded messages, or glitched stuff
see, I did A new microgenre
But how the fuck this shit sounds like?
Who the fuck knows
If people make somethig following those rules they will end with alot of different stuff.
My point is that you could have something better by actually trying to make some genre, people do it all the time on dream genre threads.
interesting idea that was terribly executed. this sounds like babby's first attempt at lowercase experimental overly intellectual electronic.
at the very least, props to them for concept and havign a coherent name
how the hell can this be a genre??
its like someone saying, satan worship themes, with anti christian themes, corpse paint on face and dark clothes is already a genre
do you started to think about black metal???
remember some dark ambient artists with some black metal influences do the same theme and clothing
The worst part is, they force you into the genre even if you don't want to be a part of it. I made a shitty bandcamp album with ocean themes without even knowing about oceangrunge that sounds nothing like oceangrunge, and they just picked it up for the sole reason of looking like they have a bigger following with more albums to choose from in the genre. I've been asking politely to stop for a while now and they just don't care
Are you new? Don't you understand most flavor of the month internet genres are made here out of jokes and just become something big because idiots don't know better and take it seriously?
Man, what the fuck do you think Vaporwave was about? Do you seriously believe witchhouse and seapunk were serious too?
Sea of Dogs renounced it because people were being such faggots about it and I don't think he's spoken since
Poseidon in Chains is the one shit talking him and trying to take credit for "popularizing" the genre and being the best and amazing and whatever
I don't think Sea of Dogs feels at all jealous or butthurt btw, he is got signed to a biggish label in the vaporwave community, and his album on there is (or was last time I checked) on the front page of the vaporwave tag on bandcamp. I seriously don't think he cares about any of this, he just wanted to wipe his hands clean of it
Support your local oceangrunge scene.
Damage control for what? My albums that probably less than 300 people have downloaded? Do you think I'm running for president? Whoever is spamming my music everywhere isn't me. I just came on and saw there are four oceangrunge threads and it seems as though everyone thinks I'm behind them, when that isn't the case.
I have no idea.