What are your favorite math rock bands?
Hate to be that guy that goes with entry-level, but Snowing is def my favorite math rock band.
Tiny Moving Parts was already mentioned, but I really like them too.
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If someone wants to know how the first Math Rock song sounded like in 1968, check this out!
Mad River - Merciful Monks
Best Math Rock Bands
5. Don Caballero
That's because Math Rock should be an instrumental genre.
stop acting like yours is the only one
favorites for me:
The Bulletproof Tiger
Toe (only book about my idle plot)
Minus the Bear (only This is what I know about being gigantic)
They have plenty of aggressive riffs, not that that is a quality indicator, but I don't find them tame (unless they do it intentionally) or boring.
What I find the most appealing is how Tim's guitar style feels totally unique, especially on Animals.
I don't like TTNG
All of the vocalists melodies sound the same to me, there's absolutely no variety in the vocals.
The noodly guitar parts are there but they don't stand out and aren't very catchy like riffs by bands like Clever Girl / The Bulletproof Tiger.
They are impressive but have no strong melody to back them up, just noodles for the sake of noodling. It's like they're more focused on their songs being mathy than sounding good.
They are very bland, especially when compared to other math rock acts like Tera Melos who have their own unique sound thanks to Nick's love of cartoony wonkey sounding pedals. Tera Melos has personality, something TTNG lacks.
Nope, if you listen to their records it gives the whole record a consistent unique cartoony sound.
It's not like they use a bunch of random ones otherwise their albums would be inconsistent as fuck
I've listened to their records, I've also seen them live. Their albums are inconsistent as fuck, because they are generally so focused on the way it sounds that what they're actually playing comes off as bland
I definitively agree that the vocals isn't a highlight of the band, I do think it adds more than it detracts though.
But how can you say the riffs aren't catchy? The unique riffs is the best part, there are so many memorable ones that stick in your brain, it's definitively not just noodling for noodlings sake (except the chorus of Adventure, Stamina & Anger, but that's the only one I can think of).
also agreed, would even go as far as to say that math rock isn't a real genre, just a gimmicky thing
first wave bands are really just great post-hardcore bands
second wave and third wave is just boring gimmicky stuff
I've seen them live too
I've also seen TTNG live
Their albums aren't inconsistent except for maybe the melodies album.
X-ed out has a consistent sound throughout because he uses the same pedals on all of the songs. I've watched a video of him describing all of the pedals on his pedal board and there are actually only a handful of them that are really present on the newest record.
TTNG's riffs are way more bland than Tera Melos. I can hear a Tera Melos riff and instantly recognize Nick's style, while TTNG's riffs sound like 1000 other math rock bands.
They just don't stick out to me at all
>TTNG's riffs are way more bland than Tera Melos. I can hear a Tera Melos riff and instantly recognize Nick's style, while TTNG's riffs sound like 1000 other math rock bands.
>They just don't stick out to me at all
I don't understand how you can hear them so differently, I love too Tera Melos and Nick's style as well, managed to catch them in my home town 2 years ago and I was blown away.
But saying TTNG sounds like every other math band? I've listened to plenty of shitty math rock, but none of it sounded like TTNG, the only thing keeping them ahead of all the other bands is the fact that the riffs don't sound like anyone else.
I'm not saying Tera Melos' guitar riffs are less bland than TTNG's, I'm just saying they're still bland. They rely far too heavily on pedals to make it sound good.
Which I guess is fine, but I'd rather just listen to Let us just call it abstract because they use pedals better and their drummer is much better
I don't know how I hear them so differently either. It's not that I dislike TTNG.
I really don't like Animals though, I can't stand their old vocalist, he fucking sucked.
I really really like tracks like "two birds, one stone, and an empty stomach". I wish they would do more acoustic tracks. The guitar part in that song is actually really catchy to me.
I feel like I'd like them more if they would just get a good vocalist, or at least one that can write decent vocal melodies.
That's interesting, I've mostly not been a fan of the acoustic stuff like that one, or the acoustic remake of 26 is dancier than 4...
Well, each to his own I guess man.
How did you feel about their new track? (If you heard it)
I thought it was pretty mediocre until ~3:30, considering our differences it's possible you'd love everything prior to that point and hate it after that, haha.
Planets are great! O People is their best song though.
>heavy but happy sounding mathy rock/punk.
You just described You Slut!
Check their album Critical Meat, it's one of my all time favorites.
Well I wouldn't say they are formative or anything, I just think their compositions are incredible, fairly complex, yet super catchy imo. Listen to the bass tapping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62Tv0jLJ6g
I always thought TTNG was the midpoint between chill math rock like toe and absolute insanity like early Tera Melos
Like they're good to chill out to or dance to.
Speaking of which, did anyone see Tera Melos live this year yet? I saw them in CT and it was fucking nuts. Go see them if you get the chance
He's right about Polvo and Drive Like Jehu being GOAT, but to ignore new math rock on the face of it is diarrhea for brains. There's a lot more variation in the genre now
they're probably the best of the ones listed there but i woudn't call them great. also not quite your typical new-school math rock i would say, not just because they share the guitarist with Don Caballero. Don Caballero is ok.
Good to see so much ASIWYFA love on this thread. I don't see them around /mu/ very often
Those are all the bad ones. How could you seriously listen to TTNG without feeling like a faggot. The music is good though don't get me wrong, I just prefer singer that can't sing to ones that can.
Math Rock is where Post-Hardcore and Jazz-Fusion intersect. You've got the time changes and virtuosity of hard bop while using rock instrumentation and playing up the dissonance. There's a notable influence from 70's prog as well. It's an incredibly varied genre, but it always highlights technical skill and complexity in song structure, even at slower tempos.
Drive Like Jehu
June of 44
The Fucking Champs
Giraffes? Giraffes! (and Joseph Andreoli's solo work)
Meet Me In St. Louis
A Minor Forest
Duck. Little Brother, Duck!
Q and not U
I can't stomach the vocals of TTNG.
>all this ttng vocal hate itt
I'm not even a huge fan, but how plen do you have to be to not like Stu or Henry's vocals?
Stu was a lot more theatrical and a bit out there, but is it really that unaccessible?
Henry's a lot more chill and conventional, which suits the new songs since they are a bit more chill and conventional most of the times.
I just find it difficult to actively dislike him when he doesn't do anything crazy
What Burns Never Returns > American Don > Don Caballero 2
But Don Caballero 2 might be best to start with, it's a bit more conventional than the other two, which is either a lot more free flowing or a lot more structured.
Some stuff I'm really not into in that list, but a lot of stuff I am.
Have you listened to Sincabeza? They're somewhat similar to A Minor Forest but a bit more up tempo and purely instrumental
>ctrl + f pele
This is chill math rock done right, this and The Nudes (a bit less math) are incredible and are must listens for math rock fans.
What? At times they make the guitars sound like human voices. Are you sure you listened to Cryptooology and not just the first track?
And there are some really cool drums fills from time to time.
Highly recommending this, discovered it a few days ago
It's a great mix of math/prog/jazz fusion, and free too.
btw this is the best TTNG release (and it's not because of them)
Furio Chirico from Arti e Mestieri is. He makes drum fills in between drum breaks, and drum breaks in between drum fills!
It's like 70s Breakcore.
Nice, will check it out.
No, I'm saying that from time to time it gets exceptionally good. But it seems that you never noticed those moments, so I recommend you to listen to the album again and give it an actual careful listen.
Some drumming sections and some guitar sounds are exceptionally good, creative and original. But when it comes to the whole album, with it's combinations of rhythm, dynamics, melody, timbre, and structure, it gets exceptionally good through the whole 30 minutes when compared to almost every other Math Rock band. There isn't a single boring moment, because it was intended to have no "empty space", meaning they would replace every "average" moment with an interesting riff.
It might seem weird, but it really manages to get interesting for the whole 30 minutes. Maybe because they combine different types of excitement through the album. Keep in mind they spent around three years making the album, practicing around 6 hours, 4 days a week. I remember they said in an interview they would practive the same ~6 second long riff for hours, non-stop.