>>52399585 Basically they're appropriating someone else's culture, completely unaware of the irony. It's not entirely their fault though, because they only understand the punk aesthetic on the most superficial level, so they actually think it's a good fit for their ideology.
>>52399638 I was born in 1991 but the only thing I need to understand about punk was that when it died and turned into deathrock/gothrock in the early 70s and 80s it was the best thing to ever happen to it
>>52399636 this. i feel like the only reason gay/trans/women-fronted bands get this much press is for brownie points from the music press' tumblr-core readers. as a gay guy who makes music, it's a pain in the ass for someone to take your work and lump it into the festering pile of shit that is "queer art"
>>52399657 lol no punk kids are fucking scrawny and don't know how to fight 95% of the time also a lot of them are womemes so there's that too >>52399678 Most genres, but not all. >>52399610 yeah it was trash >>52399623 yeah, it's not technical, but you can definitely tell the bad musicians from the good ones in punk. if you're gonna play simple, you have to perfect that technique or else it's gonna sound like shit.
>>52399753 are you even being serious? This is the most bland and mediochre poorly rewashed punk rock ive ever heard. DO you honestly think they would have a name to them by the least if it wasnt for them being feminazi try hards to appeal to the tumblr sjw? The feminist band wagon shit is the only thing that keeps them rolling at all
>>52399977 I don't see how it makes my position bizarre; there's nothing creepy about being trans, just a lot of pain. As the partner of an FTM dude, I know a lot about gender dysphoria. Transition is the most feasible and sensible treatment for gender dysphoria. I don't see whats "creepy" about that.
>>52399992 Somebody who is biologically male and raised as a man will *always* be a man, even if he's creepy enough to think otherwise. It's not an accomplishment for women if a fucking man does it. I don't see why this is so hard for you to get.
>>52400006 Come on, this is just delusional. You're like a furry acting like his diaper fetish is the most normal thing in the world. Look, you can have whatever deviant shit you want, you could put a cock on your forehead for all I care, if you feel it should be done and it brings you joy then by all means do it, but don't act like it's nothing out of the ordinary.
>>52400048 I never said it wasn't out of the ordinary, you're pulling arguments out of nowhere. Gender dysphoria is a condition. Transition is the treatment. It's that simple. The difference between having dysphoria and being a furry is that being a furry is a conscious choice. Having gender dysphoria is not a choice. Choosing to transition is, yes, but it's only a choice as much as taking medicine to cure a disease is a choice.
You clearly know nothing about dysphoria, so you should leave this argument. You're clearly lacking the information or experience necessary to participate. It's not just "oh I think I'll be a girl now", it's a condition with severe symptoms.
>>52400082 Do you have a single original thought or do you just throw around buzzwords that other people reblog
the whole idea behind privilege is that it's not just something you can shed whenever you feel like it. If you don't want to be a man, that doesn't magically make you not one. it's so goddamn insulting to see 6 foot tall, white, penis-packing scumbags using this kind of language as if they were somehow victims. the only identities they devalue are those of actual women
>>52400151 No, a transgender woman is a person born biologically male who suffers from gender dysphoria. To escape the crushing psychological trauma, she transitions. It's not simple. There are stages in between.
If something was causing you grief and suicidal agony every day of your life, is the way out really a choice?
Being a furry is a choice, as in doing the things furry do and engaging in furry culture. Being aroused by furry porn is not.
I'm the dumbass? Haha, you could teach me a few things about being a dumbass.
This is such a stupid article because it clearly has no knowledge of punk or music in general and just jumps on a bandwagon trend of saying that this has been a year of "feminist punk," when women have had an important presence on punk since its inception. Where's the love for Crass, X-Ray Spex, The Slits, Bikini Kill, etc.? This is Buzzfeed-tier. It's like when websites suddenly started to talk about R&B again like it just materialized out of nowhere, after ignoring it for nearly a decade.
Anyway, this thread, just like all /mu/ threads about minorities or women, is embarrassing.
>>52400178 ffs yes they do! during their most crucial developmental years they were treated as boys and afforded all the advantages of it. they were encouraged to pursue science, technology, music, and other things off-limits to girls their age. and now they want to be recognized as "women in science/tech/music" at the expense of actual women trying their hardest. Sorry, but that is bullshit. You can put your fingers in your ears and your dick between your legs, but it doesn't change the facts.
>>52400201 Dressing up as a furry is as much of a choice as transitioning or drinking horse piss. You think just because you suffer gender dysphoria you are the only one allowed to go on a quest to find your own sexual identity? At some point, if transgederism is good on your eyes, all those other behaviours derivated from fetishism must be just as good, as long as it doesn't involve rape or children.
>>52400232 yes I meant MTF. female to male isn't creepy because women are not empowered and pretending to be a man, while pathetic, doesn't encroach upon a community of marginalized people. The other way around is absolutely disgusting and should not be tolerated
if you're a man who likes to think he's a girl, then fuck off and stick with your perverted bro friends. don't try to make inroads on womens' progress.
>>52400288 >How are any of those things off-limits to girls? I think you're mistaking the decade we live in with a different one. aaaaaand here's the party where tranny-lovers become indistinguishable from MRA assholes. I knew it was coming!
>>52400295 You are screwed up in the head and psychologically broken to the point you dont even know your own gender. Supporting people like you is like supporting beastiality, pedophilia or psychopaths
>>52400309 >as taking medicine or dying Is a hyperbole confirmed by pseudoscience. Nobody has died as a direct result of not being a girl when they think they should've. You rely on that so much and it's absolute bullshit.
>>52400246 You can't just group them all of them under the same umbrella, you radical feminist. They were probably questioning their identity from a young age, how do you know they weren't constantly shunned by their family and peers for exhibiting 'feminine behaviour'? Plus, if you secure a good education none of those things are off-limits to girls, you just have to work harder. I'm a girl too, and I'm getting into the science.
>>52400280 And you have demonstrated your idiocy and hypocrisy no more thoroughly than with this post.
The problem with that stance is that it assigns transmen, FTM folks, as marginilzed women, which contradicts your reasoning for opposing MTFs from transitioning.
If you understood anything about dysphoria, you'd realize that all the privileges of being born male are nullified by dysphoria. It's not just "ew I don't like being a boy", it's a crushing weight that threatens one's life.
Which is why I'm trying so hard to help my boyfriend get his top surgery to remove his breasts. His female body is killing him.
>>52400246 You know as a MtF myself, I have to say this is a valid point. Granted, it should be taken on a case-by-case basis and doesn't really apply to a lot of the younger transitions (or just people who transitioned when they weren't in a privileged position) but someone like say the Against Me!, it definitely applies. Yes, she's a woman, but no, what she did was not an accomplishment for women because she achieved her fame while living as a man (it was an inspiration for some transgender people though).
And as for me, when I was in high school, had I pursued the opportunities that people were trying to hand to me, I probably could've been quite successful so that's a fair point (at least where I lived, I know plenty of those things wouldn't have been given to me had I been seen as female). Teachers thought I was a genius and I was given such things as free tours of prestigious science laboratories because my teacher wanted me to pursue something he thought was my level.
But I was depressed due to dysphoria and other factors, so I never took advantage of any of that stuff, I nearly flunked out of high school, I ran away from home and eventually ended up getting a job working at a grocery store with people so bottom-of-the-barrel, they can't wash themselves or spell words like "aisle". And since I came out as transgender years ago, I have lost any chance of ever improving my life situation even though the depression is now slowly dissipating.
At this point, getting female privilege would be a step-up but I have no access to either male or female privilege. A lot of people don't even regard me as human. However, if people do some day accept me as a woman and I accomplished some sort of feat as a woman, it would be an achievement for women. That's never going to happen to me but it will with other transgender individuals and if you're not okay with that, you should probably just go full Neanderthal and live in caves so you don't have to watch the world progress.
>>52400380 Fuck off, transgendered people can't even pinpoint at what their origin of distress is. Is it social constructs? Is it of biological origin? Maybe they actually just felt depressed for real. The real kicker is that getting the operation is not a real treatment. Transgendered people kill themselves just as much. It's literally a treatment that is supported by pseudoscience and the best of intentions.
How is having dysphoria "deviant"? I think you're conflating having dysphoria with being a transvestite. A transvestite is someone who gets sexual release from pretending to be the opposite sex. Dysphoria is the suicidally painful condition the major symptom of which is feeling one's birth sex is incorrect and which causes sexual dysfunction.
Not the same. Duh. By your logic no one with any psychological condition should seek help.
>>52400467 Nah, most trans folk I know, and I do know a lot, can definitely pinpoint that it is their physiology which causes them deep depression and often fantasize of removing their sex organs or other gender-identifying body parts.
Hormone therapy and surgery end the pain. It's that simple.
>>52400486 Yeah, I admit that was bullshit. I was wrong, I should have clarified "some" pedophiles. I was merely referring to pedophiles in the context they were, but yeah, you're right, I should have acknowledged that.
jesus fucking christ why are people talking about punk rock in 2014? punk rock changed dramatically with the arrival of zen arcade and double nickels on the dime in 1984. it's not about a certain sound or aesthetic, but an approach and an ethos
fuck all these fucking bands and everyone who cares about them
>>52400612 well, of course, with the whole hardcore thing and whatnot, but that was still a way of simplifying the music, but in 1984 the people who originally created the scene decided to abandon it and expand their musical ambitions. I know what you're saying, and I know that you know what I mean, man
>>52400687 Female-fronted is not the same as feminism. Some of those groups were clearly feminist in nature (such as that one Crass album and Au Pairs) but a group like The Raincoats and The Slits were not. They may have been feminists as individuals but they didn't preach those ideals in their music, The Raincoats didn't preach anything and The Slits were more about that whole tribal thing and promoting Jamaican culture which is distinctly anti-women.
>>52400664 I definitely understand what you mean but the movement you're talking about was a break from hardcore, the same thing had already happened years earlier with punk. The people who originally started punk abandoned it to pursue different forms of music with the punk ethos. I mean, to most people Sex Pistols are the face of punk and by 1978, they had already become Public Image Ltd.
People have been clinging onto the wrong parts of punk since the 70's, they think it still has to be some shitty guitar chords and miss the entire spirit of it. Music has been hugely influenced by punk rock, yet most of the people who were inspired by the ethos do not play punk rock.
>>52400286 Transgender/transsexuals are not deviants, nor are they degenerates. Why can't people understand this? Both are the result of a mental illness. I don't walk up to schizophrenics who are freaking out and call them degenerates. It's not their fault, their wires are all crossed.
We need to focus on treating mental illness such as schizophrenia, the same way we need to focus on treating trans related illnesses. A boy believing he is a girl or vice versa is most definitely an illness. We need to research treating it, never accepting it. I also support curing it, the same way I support curing schizophrenics and children with autism/down syndrome. The cure for that, as well as trans-illness is euthanasia.
So far, attempts at treating autism, down syndrome & schiz is futile. So I fully support just offing these sick people, it's mercy if anything. We haven't tested the waters enough with trans-illness, if it can be treated to cure by alternative method (there are cases when a trans-gender goes back to being normal, physically, mentally and sexually) then I am all for it. If it fails, then euthanasia is a good cure for them, same with homosexuality, but the latter is unlikely, the world is now hellbent on accepting homosexuality as a norm, even legalizing marriage between them.
I will retract from calling trans-ill people degenerates, I'll hope for proper treatment or mass curing by euthanasia.
The thing I enjoy about punk was that it really didn't start out with the intentions of not growing as musicians. Only once new waves of bands starting coming in did the idea of "I'm going to play 3 chords for 30+ years" come into play. It's a damn shame to because that is what most people think of when punk is brought up when it should just be about complete creative control and appreciating experimentation.
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