>read up on early Fascist ideology >the stuff from 1919 in particular >lots of things I agree with >lots of elements that are still so relevant today >cannot claim to be a Fascist because people will accuse me of racism >there was nothing about race in Fascism until Mussolini changed the laws in 1937 >and even then many Fascists hid Jews from the Nazis
A stopped clock is right twice a day -- by this I mean, you'll find one or two things you agree with in any extreme ideology, but that doesn't mean you must agree with it all. You're probably so under-read on everything that you don't even realise the one or two things you agree with may be in more moderate ideologies.
What is it you agree with? For instance, the Nazi's built the autobahn, the VW and were against animal vivisection, but that's just taking things out of context. They were cunts of the worst kind, and now you have apologists trotting that stuff out.
Fascism is just misdirected hate -- somehow thinking the nation must be "pure" is their solution to everything.
If you feel you are a fascist, you are in reality just a weak little bitch with delusions of grandeur who wants to dominate others. It's like nationalists somehow thinking the achievements of people who happened to be born in the same country as them means anything. They think they are superior by virtue of having been born near a person who actually achieved something.
They said a load of shit and didn't deliver on it. Many people ignored the crazier shit when supporting them as the fascicts waved all sorts of promises in front of their faces. Once they had power, the genuis was in how they propagandised and scared people into kowtowing.
I would never want to live in a fascist society, but it's definitely one of the coolest political philosophies from an artistic perspective just because of how effectively the fascists integrated aesthetics and imagery into their ideology.
Are there any other political philosophies that make a big deal of pageantry, ceremony, and striking aesthetics?
>>52453577 Fascism is diametrically opposed to communism. It strongly supports a class system and no one in their right mind would consider it to be "leftism", as dumb of a label as that is in the first place.
>>52453371 >nazis >fascist Sure, they adapted some of fascism to their idealogy, but it's a fundamentally right wing (or left if you're strasserist) while Fascism is neither.
>>52453439 If you want to deconstruct nationalism (or anything else) you can easily strip away any "actual" meaning it has, or you can accept it for what it is - a tool to bring people together, and creates a group of people that have a vested interest in each other, which stateless post-modern pseudo-marxism that everyone today subscribes to is fundamentally unable to do.
>>52453623 >>52453636 >>52453656 leftism is statist anti-freedom. communism, national socialism all for big nanny state and against the free market. the only right-wing ideology is libertarianism which gives everyone complete freedom over his belongings and wealth.
>>52453703 fascism is only theoretical and has never really existed before or since the Nazis government. they invented a particular brand of nationalistic authoritarianism and it's what we call "fascism" today. it's the only historical example of it.
>>52453577 Fascism is neither, although yes it tends to the left. National socialism in practice used liberal economics (right wing) and right-wing ideas about their superior place in the world, despite their 25 points about classlessness which really only accounted for Germany. Since they didn't want international classlessness, they were not left wing. Communism is left wing, so you've got that. Obama is a neoliberal.
>>52453656 Nazism did use some socialist policies, but I don't think most people are fully opposed to socialism, the discussion tends to be more of "how much socialism is too much" (notable modern exception being libertarians).
>>52453748 Not fascist. Like many other industrial music acts, Laibach uses extreme right wing imagery as a way of demonising the very people they dress up as. The reason why Laibach, and many other industrial artists using similar imagery are misunderstood, is that they don't try to offer a solution to the problem, they just try to make light of it. Most artists in the genre are (or were around the genre's inception) actually libertarians, and the early british industrial scene had ties to the anarcho punk scene at the time. Neofolk on the other hand is mostly made by the people who truly think industrial music is only for fascists.
>>52453725 In the US, there is Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
>Go COMPETE with oligopolies!! >It's your FREEDOM to compete!!!
America consists of a series of oligopolies, draining the world of its resources. If there were to be an actual fair system of competition, there would be limits as to the size companies could be -- it should be impossible for Wal-Mart et al. to dominate everything. I'm all for fair competition, but that's not even REMOTELY the case in the US or Europe, for that matter.
Look up the difference between your idiotic right-Libertarianism and anarco-left libertarianism. Don't act like you've read shit you haven't.
>>52453784 >I don't think most people are fully opposed to socialism
I can tell you're American by this sentence. "Socialism" is not a scary word in Europe. We know that it doesn't equate to Stalinism. Bolshevism, Stalinism and all post-Stalin "Communism" in place in the USSR was a form of state Capitalism. If any of them had applied Marx properly, there would have been no state and no oppression of the classes they ostensibly represented.
>>52454155 Exactly. It's so arbitrary. Hitler liked Beethoven, but--thankfully--most people can see that there is nothing inherently fascistic about Beethoven's music -- or, for that matter, Wagner, if taken on its own. We've let the Nazis destroy too much good art with their sullying of it.
>>52454256 >This will be a good comeback!! >YOU'RE NOT VERY MUCH FUN
Wow, anon. Right in my feels. I love how deeply you saw into my soul from three sentences. Am I supposed to use plaful language for you, in case you get bored taking about big-boy stuff?
You know the kinds of people who sound like they're fun -- the kind of people that say "which would logically mean that I win out in the end" like a child would. I;m surprised you didn't say "NO TAKEBACKSIES!!!"
>>52454209 “Hipster” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself.
It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker.
Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you’ve probably sensed the pattern on your own).
You can’t define what “that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle” actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That’s because you don’t use “hipster” to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you.
The twist, of course, is that if it weren’t for your own insecurities, nothing that a “hipster” could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - “Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I’m certainly not like those filthy hipsters!” - so you project those feelings.
Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a hipster; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the authentic Us from the inauthentic, “ironic” Them.
tl;dr: if you believe hipsters exist, you are a plebeian.
>>52453371 Yes, early Fascists were originally Socialists, Fascism was considered to be the conclusion of Socialism - where Socialism is the emancipation of the working class, Fascism is the removal of class structure entirely for everyone to work together (as parts of the Fasces) for the good of the whole. It places society above the individual.
The ad hominem is unnecessary. And you're assuming that what I agree with is the nationalist assertion, which it isn't - I dream of a utopia where everyone works together, regardless of nations, races etc.
>>52453434 >>52453466 Very true. But as with Communism, one doesn't really judge Marxism by its application in Soviet Russia or China, do they? Little of the early Fascist doctrines were upheld, but that doesn't stop those doctrines from being interesting or agreeable. Mussolini pretty much single handedly ruined Fascism.
>leftism vs extreme right etc
Political spectrum is a horseshoe. Hardly much difference between extreme left and extreme right.
>>52454315 To be fair, anon, since I'm not the one having an autistic conniption over a sarcastic comment on an imageboard devoted to Tibetan slideshows, I think I have a more fulfilling life than the guy who is.
>>52454386 >To be fair, anon, since I'm not the one having an autistic conniption over a sarcastic comment on an imageboard devoted to Tibetan slideshows, I think I have a more fulfilling life than the guy who is You both look bad, but saying "I win" is just the most cringey thing anyone could say. I feel embarassed for you more.
>>52454356 Again, I'm not trying to be edgy. Stop assuming things.
Look at the icon in OP's picture. The Fasces. Every part equal, working together for the whole. That is something that can be applied in many different ways.
Fascism has had many different meanings. As I said, I liked reading the early doctrines, 1919 and 1922, and Alfredo Rocco's lecture on the poltical doctrine of Fascism in 1925. Not the quasi-Nazi thing you are assuming it to be.
I find it very hard not to agree with most of the points of this manifesto. If that doesn't make me at least agreeing with Fascism, what does it make me?
>>52454165 I am american, true. I don't think socialism is that bad, but I'm critical of Marxism and the anti-nationalist results of communism and the populist results of democracy. I'm not anti-marxist because I'm pro-capitalist or anti-stalinist, I'm an elitist. >>52454337 >>52454450 Thank you for your sanity
>>52454472 An ultranationalist is ANTI hegemony, a true ultranationalist wants to leave other cultures to themselves.
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