When will /mu/ finally learn that techno, house, breakbeat, industrial, ambient, disco, ràp, ambient etc are their own distinct genres like rock, country or jazz?
They all have different histories, influences, stylistic origins, compositional structures and different instruments with a multitude of different styles, subgenres and intentions.
Is the distinction really that important? Granted, Electronica and Eletronic music don't tell us much, but when someone says "IDM" or "EDM" you at least have somewhat of an idea what they are talking about.
>Is the distinction really that important?
Of course it is, imagine there never being a thread about shoegaze, emo, 3rd wave post-rock, thrash or black metal ever again on /mu/, only rock generals.
>They all have different histories, influences, stylistic origins, compositional structures and different instruments with a multitude of different styles, subgenres and intentions.
By that logic each metal sub should be considered its own genre.
I think that they all should be, for the record.
The reason for that is because the interest in those specific genre belong to a niche group on this board, that making /bleep/ threads to contain them all are the best way to have any discussion survive.
If I'm wrong about that assumption that its a niche interest, then by all means go ahead and start threads on those specific genres.
That's not an apt comparison. Rock is much more general than any of those genres listed in OP. You can divide guitar-based music into rock, blues, country, jazz fusion metal, etc. All those genres are radically different, and also includes subgenres that sound different within. Is there really such a huge difference between any of the genres listed in the OP? Is the difference between hardcore and breakbeat for example, as large as the difference between the guitar-based genres? Are those subgenres diverse enough or large enough to warrant their own threads, like black metal and shoegaze?
>IDM is boring techno and EDM
you're so fucking dumb
IDM is breaky beats with complex synth melodies
Techno is 4/4 untz untz with minimal/non-existent melodies
Hardcore is not a "legit" genre. It's basically [insert genre here] speeded up and more "aggressive"
Downtempo/trip hop can be considered the same
Trance is 4/4 with very uplifting melodies and arpeggios
House is 4/4 kick/snare, and funk influences
Techno and House have almost absolutely nothing in common, and yet there is a ton of crossover if you find the right producers
>Downtempo not a legit genre
Bull fucking shit, you have an argument for trip hop (assuming plunderphonic genres aren't legit, which is a debatable topic on its own), but downtempo is perfectly legitimate.
no matter how much you want it to be true, it isn't
There is absolutely nothing that warrants "hardcore" a different category. You can take just about any techno song, speed it up by 10% and bam, hardcore, minus the faggotry they add to it
Sultry female singing in a boring fashion to some slightly modified hip hop beats. Same as most trip hop
Downtempo is just a buzzword. The difference between it and trip hop are trivial
another meme term coined by some blogger and adopted by "music enthusiast" teenagers who want to appear smart and "in the know"
because saying "sampling" its not cool anymore
girl i met: oh i like electronic music...
girl i met: what kind of music do u like
me: electronic music too lol (too autistic to think of something and my hands were getting into my jeans' pocket)
girl i met: what are ur favorite djs
me: uhh let's hear yours for a prologue
girl i met: garrix <3 tiesto <3 hardwell <3 ok u can tell me yours now
me: (too amazed to answer autechre, opn, actress, andy stott, underworld...) dj yella
They won't ever.
Fucking Americans. I hate you all so much. How you struggle with this shit so consistently boggles me.
>muh twinkly emotional Mid Western emotional hardcore punk-rock
>muh melodic blacked death metal
>muh third wave crescendo post rock
just a reminder that pressing a button is not music
EDM isn't a genre, it's what the masses use to refer to radio and festival style electronic music
You can't label a song as "EDM" without it actually being about 1-2 more stages in the genre branch
Hip hop is a genre of breakbeat.
Breakbeat is a genre taking jazz percussion and Jamaican sound system and combining them, using turntables, actual drums and often a full range of instruments.
Sometimes the music is made just with instruments that have plugs.
Run DMC, Flash & The Furious Five, Kurtis Blow, Afrika Bambaataa
DJ Qbert, Mix Master Mike, X-Ecutioners, Rob Swift, Grand Wizard Theodore, Rob Swift, Roc Raida
DJ Shadow, DJ Krush, UNKLE, Portishead, Massive Attack, Nigo, Major Force West
Klute, Bachelors of Science, Calibre, Commix, Utah Jazz, London Elektricity, Grooverider, Fabio, LTJ Bukem, Brookes Brothers, Nu:Tone
Black Sun Empire, Spor, Noisia, Ed Rush & Optical, Phace, Calyx & Teebee, State of Mind
Venetian Snares, Enduser, Mochipet, Duran Duran Duran, FFF, Bong-Ra, Shitmat, goreshit, Igorrr
Hybrid, Lostep, Hyper, Sasha, Lee Burridge, Layo & Bushwacka!, PMT, General Midi, Future Funk Squad
4hero, Bugz In The Attic, IG Culture, Seiji, Afronaught, Aroop Roy, Dego, Keidi, Homecookin', Neon Phusion
>Drum & Bass
Goldie, LTJ Bukem, Plug, Amen Andrews, Cause 4 Concern, Stakka & Skynet, Decoder & Substance, Dom & Roland, Dieselboy, Current Value
Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Krafty Kuts, Propellerheads, Lunatic Calm, Lionrock, Uberzone, Cut La Roc, Bentley Rhythm Ace
>nu skool breaks
Rennie Pilgrem, Adam Freeland, ils, Colombo, Koma+Bones, DJ Icey, Aquasky, Freq Nasty, Plump DJs, Stanton Warriors, Tipper, Tsunami One
Omni Trio, DJ Red Alert & Mike Slammer, Aphrodite, Remarc, Special Request, Marvellous Cain
Scooter, DJ Shimamura, Hixxy, DJ Seduction
Fdel, Flow Dynamics, Featurecast, Basement Freaks, Skeewiff, Fort Knox Five, Niles Philips, All Good Funk Alliance, Breakestra
Krome & Time, Altern-8, 2 Bad Mice, SL2, Acen, Secret Squirrel, House Crew, Hyper On Experience, Sonz of a Loop Da Loop Era
But just because a track uses break that doesn't exactly make it a breakbeat sub track.
Check this techno track
breaks come in about a minute in
That people who like breakbeat have autism? Maybe people just aren't that interested in it, I don't see what you're trying to prove. Again, a genre with more fans has more threads and replies than a genre with less fans. How is this difficult to understand?
How new are you that you've never heard of riot grrrl?
Just because a country track uses a chords, that doesn't make it rock. Sometimes genres fuse or use aspects of other genres, happens across the board.
That doesn't change the fact all my list and breakbeat subs, a genre like rock, country or jazz.
I can do the same with techno, or house, or downtempo.... its not the lack of interest, its the ignorance and thinking ''electronic'' is a genre and people don't understand that all the OP list are major, distinct genres.
Metal is confined to a general and yet there's discussion on blackgaze, doom, atmosludge, even specific bands. If you're trying to start a thread about a genre of electronic music and it gets no replies, it's due to lack of interest. Maybe you should blame /bleep/ for having bad taste in music.
I stay away from the chat general.
It's not lack of interest, hip hop is popular, so is d&b but people have no clue about the stylistic origins or history so faced with a break beat thread, they're stumped. See the post above mine who doesn't even know how hip hop started.
rock music is wider term for:
in that same way electronic music is a broad term for:
electronic is perfectly usable term, but that does not mean that there are no sub-categories that deserve distinguishing between.