>>52973118 you were referring to the man in the picture, but the picture shows him being decidedly unpretentious therefore you're wrong and a pleb since you know nothing about stockhausen he really wasn't pretentious, he was just an autist he didn't get repetition, and I don't just mean that as a meme in reference to aphex meme
>>52973272 See, what makes you an inferior retard here is not that you can't get some deeper meaning in 4 33 but that you assume that there is one if you can't figure it out yourself just listen to john cages explanations, which he gave unpretentiously, the piece itself is simply about listening to environmental noise around the performer in case you think that noise can't be music, well, that noise can be music is commonly accepted now, make up your own mind I guess
>>52973272 It's not pretentious, just kind of... immature. >also while we're at it. 4'33'' by John Cage is just as shit John Cage's 4'33" is the near-perfect execution of a concept that is both extremely simple in idea and extremely powerful in impact. The only thing which could potentially detract from the execution is the necessity to be someplace specific to experience it ( and even then, that could be considered a strength) It is one of the purest, most sincere and unpretentious expressions of optimism in music; simply because it encourages the listener to find beauty in the world around them the way it is, without having to intentionally manipulate it to produce what we traditionally see as beautiful music.
>>52973170 >he didn't get repetition, and I don't just mean that as a meme in reference to aphex meme Actually repetition was really frowned upon at the time. Stuff like total serialism was the hot thing at the time. It's not that he didn't get it, it's more that the postwar era centered around eliminating those things.
>>52974572 >simply because it encourages the listener to find beauty in the world around them the way it is, without having to intentionally manipulate it to produce what we traditionally see as beautiful music.
I think the point is more that you don't necessarily have to "find beauty" at all; you take it for what it is without having to make value judgments. Cage didn't set out to make things that were beautiful so much as he just wanted to watch them unfold.
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