Just read this
So...piracy is bad when suddenly someone uses your work without permission, huh?
>"He STOLE my gif by recording it with his cellphone and reposting it!"
>a fucking gif
But downloading albums is just "sharing" right?
Are you guys for real? It doesn't matter what type of picture it is. If somebody makes it, and another person uses it for display (in a concert) without their permission, that's being unfair and illegal.
>Diplo to Barrow: "I just pray to the lord I don't become a salty asshole when I'm irrelevant"
I don't agree with Diplo's actions, but I have to side with him since everybody on Twitter are being such self-righteous dicks about it
The gif girl unironically posted that she was logging off of Twitter because she was being "triggered", lylmao
because muh soggy knees
sorry but music is free to be shared
but not a .gif
>"Hey don't steal that artist's music, he worked hard on it"
>"Dude we're not stealing we're SHARING. Look, stealing removes the original, we're just making a copy"
>"OMG that guy filmed part my gif (which I allow to be endlessly reposted on tumblr) on his PC screen and used it in a snapchat to promote a song"
>"OMG girl you need to sue him immediately. Any lawyers want to help us?"
'diplo steals artwork, responds to takedown requests with misogynistic taunts' (factmag)
i know the biggest part of internet journalism is getting those clicks, but this really pushes it to extremes
it's like if somebody spat at someone else and the headline ran was 'TERRIFYING PUBLIC ASSAULT, BODILY FLUIDS EVERYWHERE'
he filmed it on his cellphone and posted it on snapchat with music playing in the background
yeah he credited her for the gif when she complained but they want his blood
I don't know if you seen this already, but this is what they were referring to.
this whole argument about piracy of music vs stealing of art is bullshit.
Diplo used someone else's artwork to PROMOTE something, meaning he'll be making money from it, indirectly (he can't make money off of the instagram post, but people will see the post and buy the single when its out).
Piracy of music is sharing music, for entertainment purposes only, meaning no money is made. Though, if you pirated the music and started to sell it for your own personal profit, that'd be stealing.
I'm surprised he even saw the tweet. His email is probably swamped 24/7, so that option is terrible. Artist can't just go out and get a lawyer out of the blue; can confirm, am graphic designer who works at a tim hortons.
"oh you caught me stealing your art? settle down you crazy female, what do you want me to do, play with your pussy to make you feel better?"
you really don't see how that's misogynistic?
(rhetorical question, i shouldn't be surprised, i AM on 4chan after all)
I just posted the image.
It's offensive and inconsiderate, but personally I don't think it's misogynistic. But considering media these days anything against/offending a woman = misogynistic.
I agree, but after looking up the definition of Misogynistic, it does line up.
"reflecting or exhibiting hatred, dislike, mistrust, or mistreatment of women. "
I would chalk what diplo said about her up as mistreatment, to a degree.
>settle down you crazy female, what do you want me to do, play with your pussy to make you feel better?"
So are we posting things Diplo never said now?
>It's offensive and inconsiderate,
It's offensive if you're a prude who hates seeing anything sexual. If it was a girl saying "What do you want me to do, suck his fuck and massage his balls?" NO ONE would have batted an eye.
If Diplo was offensive doing that then women showing their cleavage, wearing high heels or doing "slut walks" are all about 100 times more offensive.
I just hate when women play both sides of the fence. Victim and yet Strong, Sexual and yet Offended.
i think you're searching a little bit
his saying that is like me saying to you 'wow i've hurt your feelings should i suck your dick AND swallow????' it's not about your being a guy, it's a stereotypically over-the-top way of 'smoothing things over' (the joke being that men often complain about having to do stuff w/ hands when they're giving head i assume)
I think you're reading into it a bit much. There were no undertones of "settle down you crazy female". If it was a man, he could have easily said "what do you want me to do, suck his dick?" and it would have sounded just as natural (maybe even more so). He credited her and she still whined.
>expecting people to credit you in a post-tumblr world
fuck, i hate that shit so much. half the time i cannot find a source because all the image results just keep going back to reblogged tumblr shit. that said, no one does it now and no one, especially not a gif 'artist', should expect it to happen.
diplo's a douchebro so not sure why anyone's surprised. barrow didn't seem too bent out of shape about it.
You mean "people with relevant views of society that aren't based in high-school-level views of the world."
Do you know what this word means? Because you used it wrong.
the file hosters aren't uploading the stuff. The users are.
She didn't really throw a hissy fit. She just said that he used her art without permission. Looking through her twitter, she did exactly what I would have done in that situation.
>"people with relevant views of society that aren't based in high-school-level views of the world."
So you want me to give up my opinion and follow lock step with whatever society deems "correct"? No thanks. Feminism has hijacked sane thought. Now if you criticize a woman or make a joke like Diplo did, the word police accuse you of rape. It's affecting laws as well.
I knew /mu/ was full of ironic hipsters but seriously m8
But it wasnt done for tumblr. It was made for an article for a news site.
reminds me of the bit Patrice O'Neal did about Mike Tyson eating the girl's pussy while raping her.
>"SHUT UP BITCH! NOBODY CAN HEAR YOUR CRIES! LET ME PULL BACK THE CLITORAL HOOD FOR MAXIMUM STIMULATION! YOU BETTER NOT BE ENJOYING THIS!"
There was no indication of "settle down you crazy woman" or even any talk about women or girls in general. It was just a comeback. If she was a guy it would have been along the lines of "what do you want me to do, jerk him off?" or something.
>If it was a girl saying "What do you want me to do, suck his fuck and massage his balls?" NO ONE would have batted an eye.
It still would have been offensive. Regardless of gender.
>If Diplo was offensive doing that then women showing their cleavage, wearing high heels or doing "slut walks" are all about 100 times more offensive.
What the hell does someone saying something to another person, and female dress have to do with one another? When you are replying to someone who is trying to be serious with you, you don't respond with something sexual like that without being rude. It's just simple manners really.
>Now if you criticize a woman or make a joke like Diplo did, the word police accuse you of rape.
Man, you really are a high schooler.
1. Shitposters on 4chan
Pic related, it's you and all the other wimps.
BTW he offered to delete it from his instagram (the one where he credited her) and she hasn't responded yet. Hmmm...wonder if she wants the free publicity?
As I understand the sjw laws:
gendered remarks are misogyny because they take advantage of oppression
ungendered remarks are misogyny because society assumes male as the default gender
so the only way to not be a misogynist is to never acknowledge that women exist
hey man there's no need for that
i would call myself a feminist and while i understand what you're mad that, it's not representative
feminism is unpopular right now in a lot of net communities because everybody hates stupid teenage girls on tumblr telling everybody how to behave and spouting memephrases, but the simple ideas that are the foundation of feminism are age old and probably in line with a lot of your own views
you can hate smug, uptight, buzzfeed attention seekers self-promoting under the banner of feminism, but please recognize that feminism itself is pretty fucking noble
>he thinks this is what feminism is about
>implying all humans are equal
>Most people in this thread probably have been sheltered, protected, and well fed while complaining about politics don't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
>I was raised in a second-world shit hole moving in houses of nasty crazy relatives I barely knew.
>I'm still grateful I got food and a roof at the very least.
Oh boy, the bourgeois never change.
Why not be an egalitarian then? All I see from feminists, and feminist websites is bashing men/masculinity. Why would I support that as a man?
See, you sound more rational. I think women should have the opportunity to pursue what they want. If a women wants to work in a traditionally male job, that's fine. I just don't like the constant male bashing. If a woman proves she's good at her job, she should have an opportunity to pursue it.
Men just talk shit a lot, if you've ever worked in a male space, like manual labor/played on a sports team, or whatever. I think women just take that stuff too personally. Men rip on other men all the time in those jobs, but there's nothing personal about it.
If you limit your views to the internet and media, sure. But actual feminism is just that.
Real feminists are about, - i'll repeat myself again -women equality to men. Because even as we type women are being discriminated from jobs in the US (where I am at least), and much worse elsewhere in the world. It's a real problem that women are facing and it makes sense to do something about it. So what if some tumblr girls use that as a pedestal to oppress and heighten their ego? That's them on the internet and they are best ignored anyways. Don't let that distract you from a real world issue here.
>-women equality to men
What does that mean? That all women are equal to all men?
Do you mean equal opportunities? Or do you actually believe all people are equal?
>Because even as we type women are being discriminated from jobs in the US (where I am at least), and much worse elsewhere in the world. It's a real problem that women are facing and it makes sense to do something about it.
Not where I'm from. Pretty sure women are currently doing better in college and the workplace than men
>Don't let that distract you from a real world issue here.
What issue? Yes women are abused by society in other countries but not in the West. You'd have to be daft to think that.
I like gender roles. I love being a man. I love being masculine. Tired of feminists suggesting this is bad.
that women are disadvantaged by the social strata in postindustrial society and that people should work together to reduce inequality as much as is possible
that's pretty much the basic tenet of modern liberal feminism
what's interesting now is that radical feminism is becoming the 'new liberal', as it were
the concept of patriarchy is, factually, radical feminist. it was theorized first by radfems. liberal feminists don't believe that a patriarchy exists, they just see women as disadvantaged by a large percentage of men that hold traditionalist attitudes, whereas the patriarchy would be a proactive system of intentional, targeted oppression operating on all levels of society and sustained by all men (and a lot of women)
i saw this tumblr post that had like two hundred thousand notes, and it was a girl saying ' i tried to explain the most liberal part of feminism to a boy by telling him patriarchy disadvantages boys too but he wouldn't listen to me etc' and i found it pretty surprising how misinformed somebody can be, but how much support and attention they can garner while being so incorrect
or maybe rad really is becoming the new lib who knows
don't mind me, just pirating this gif
Yeah, but things are changing. More women go to college than men, the recession hit male dominated jobs harder. Traditionally female career fields, like health care are booming.
Eventually, women are going to make more money/be the dominant force in society.
>I'm boycotting my trigger for now to avoid triggers
>that women are disadvantaged by the social strata in postindustrial society
But women benefit more from this than men, biologically. Nursing is dominated by women and that's the most lucrative career to get into.
>and that people should work together to reduce inequality as much as is possible
No woman cares about men's issues unless she's one of the crackpot MRAs. No women care about men's circumcision, false rape allegations, male homelessness, murder, workplace fatalities, conscription, etc.
>that's pretty much the basic tenet of modern liberal feminism
And it's obsolete.
You're trying to equate this to the "Radical" and "Moderate" type discussion you see with stuff like Islam. And just like Islam itself is the problem, so is Feminism. It's an outdated concept and a special interest group, at best.
>You will never eat Rebecca Mock out and massage her tits
>Oh no! I'm posting a picture of an artist! I hope I don't get sued for posting this pic because I didn't get bjorks permission first!
It is her art that he's using without permission.
>inb4 he credited her
That doesn't count. Diplo used her art for his own promotion, so he should have paid her. It's basic copyright laws.
>What does that mean...
I believe all human beings should have an equal opportunity to succeed. Regardless of race, gender, etc
>Not where I'm from...
Granted it's not as bad as it used to be, but it still happens in some jobs in the US.
See top. Also we should push the idea to the "other countries" where women have it really bad.
Yeah, but it gets bad once you're feelings and mental illnesses are invalidated under the guise of just "manning up".
You are not promoting your song with it.
I actually make this crop, no joke.
Give me $10000 please
>I believe all human beings should have an equal opportunity to succeed. Regardless of race, gender, etc
Ok so you believe in equal opportunities. That is different.
>Granted it's not as bad as it used to be, but it still happens in some jobs in the US.
OK. Why is feminism the only thing that can fix this?
Top of what? can you please be more vague?
>Yeah, but it gets bad once you're feelings and mental illnesses are invalidated under the guise of just "manning up".
Why do you think you have a mental illness? Why do you think your feelings are invalidated? They aren't. Being a man is about dealing with your problems not playing the victim like women do.
>But women benefit more from this than men, biologically. Nursing is dominated by women and that's the most lucrative career to get into.
nursing? as in caring for the elderly and children? i really don't see what's lucrative about that, unless you mean nursing in such a broad sense as to include the entire field of medicine or whatever
>No woman cares...
come on, to suggest that no woman anywhere cares about the issues that men face is completely disingenuous. i think you're seeing this discussion far too narrowly through the lens of the internet, where certain voices are much louder than others. if you were falsely accused of rape, would your mother or sister not fight as hard as possible to have you proven innocent and draw attention to the problem of false rape accusations in wider society? i assume that they absolutely would!
>Islam itself is the problem
there's gross shit in islam like there is in any religion. i don't see the religion itself as inherently problematic because the vast majority of it's practitioners don't blow themselves up, the same way i don't hate and fear christianity because the vast majority of christians wouldn't call for the death of a guy because he fucked a girl on her period
we're still able to have very heated discussions about it, and it's incredibly relevant to millions. i have to disagree with you m8
not that guy but making sweeping generalizations like "dealing with your problems not playing the victim like women do" isn't helping you. I mean I know what you mean in popular culture women are more likely to play victim, but in real life that's not the internet or social media I rarely see a girl who plays victim who isn't already some kind of egocentric person. which there are tons of men who fit the description of egocentric.
>Get mad when you are forced to conform to your gender role
>Get mad when men get mad at having to conform to theirs.
Feminism ladies and gentlemen. Reinforcing the feminine psychosis while smashing the masculine one, since ~1964
Feminism isn't the only thing that can fix it. Alot of things can fix it, feminism just happen to be one of the movements to help it. One of the first in fact.
>Being a man is about dealing with your problems.
I understand, but it becomes a careless term when it's being used, instead of actually helping out someone with their problems. Especially mental illnesses, like I said before. Many times I personally have gone to parents or other people, asking for help with my issues and getting the stupid buzz word "man up".
This. That last term was actually kind of sexist.
Only cool people in this thread. Everybody else is lame.
>nursing? as in caring for the elderly and children?
As in being a fucking nurse at a hospital. Women dominate the field and have a better skillset for it.
> if you were falsely accused of rape, would your mother or sister not fight as hard as possible to have you proven innocent and draw attention to the problem of false rape accusations in wider society?
First off, they'd honestly both assume I did it, especially my mom.
Secondly, look at any rape accusation thrown at any man- EVERYONE instantly believes the guy did it, unless he's a superstar athlete (they always get a pass for any crime).
Look at actual instances of false rape, like that recent bullshit story in Rollingstone where the mystery girl lied about an entire frat raping her. Instead of any feminists condemning it, they just pointed out how this would be bad for rape victims now because people might (GASP!) a doubt an accusation like that. I think you're the one being a bit naive here.
>there's gross shit in islam like there is in any religion. i don't see the religion itself as inherently problematic because the vast majority of it's practitioners don't blow themselves up, the same way i don't hate and fear christianity because the vast majority of christians wouldn't call for the death of a guy because he fucked a girl on her period
No other religion is currently cutting off people's heads or murdering people who draw one of their fictional characters. Islam IS a problem.
>we're still able to have very heated discussions about it, and it's incredibly relevant to millions.
You can say the same thing about holding racist ideals like being against interracial couples. That is considered "outdated" by many people. So is the need for feminism.
>No other religion is currently cutting off people's heads or murdering people who draw one of their fictional characters. Islam IS a problem
The problem is in Islam's relationship to the west. They are cutting off heads because the west's viral systems have reached them. We see the same thing with deeply community oriented people here in the west.
>implying this isn't goat
typical feministic cunt mad that at a male for no fucking reason. What if he had found that gif on tumblr or something, how the fuck was he to know it was hers?
There are infinite gifs floating around with no owner, if she is really gonna get her panties in a bunch she should of watermarked her shit.
>As in being a fucking nurse at a hospital
right, there are more female nurses... is nursing more lucrative than being a doctor? of course not, and there are far more male doctors than female.
i agree that false rape accusations are disgusting, and i would never try to defend anybody that does that kind of thing or condones it. i agree that it does seem to be pretty easy to get somebody hauled up for rape going from examples in the media, but i think this isn't feminism's fault, even if a lot of visible women don't condemn it. you have to remember that societal rape panic is enormously potent, people react to rape like they do to huge bombings or multiple murder. it's not logical, but i understand it- rape is fucking terrifying, as well as being under-reported, under-investigated and under-prosecuted. justice departments desperately want and need rape prosecutions, and they will absolutely be overzealous and believe bullshit claims because the world is full of poor terrified girls that are raped and would never consider reporting it, and everybody knows this.
re islam: yes, there are horrible psychopaths that are pracititioners of islam. i still can't blame the religion because they are the tiny minority.
Does this mean I can't use Pepe anymore since I didn't create him?
The black guy?
>They aren't wrong. Nobody in the conflict is right or wrong. All that matters is that there is conflict.
What? Dude what the fuck are you even talking about? Islamic extremists are wrong. 100%. Any sane human knows this.
And the problem is the examples you cited were a few isolated incidents. Islam has TONS of these incidents and MILLIONS of followers willing to murder and die in the name of their religion. You can't even compare it.
I kind of have the feeling that the only reason why she cared enough to start bugging him is because she was annoyed at the thought of an EDM dumbass whos made millions copping her stuff. But I agree with the anon that said that he's vulgar and immature.
>right, there are more female nurses... is nursing more lucrative than being a doctor? of course not, and there are far more male doctors than female.
Because it's been shown women don't want to be doctors. They can't handle the stress, the hours, and have less ambition towards it than males. Not men's fault.
> but i think this isn't feminism's fault, even if a lot of visible women don't condemn it. you have to remember that societal rape panic is enormously potent
But feminism is the one ramping up the paranoia! It doesn't matter if it's the "good" feminists or the "bad" ones, it is being done under the guise of feminism. When they're trying to introduce campaign to "teach little boys not to rape" you know there is a problem with this shit.
>i still can't blame the religion because they are the tiny minority.
How do you know? Nobody really knows how "tiny" the extremists are. The moderate leaders of Islam frequently make excuses for them as well, it's disgusting.
What? Dude what the fuck are you even talking about? Western Imperalists are wrong. 100%. Any sane human knows this.
And the problem is the examples you cited were a few isolated incidents. Go live in Yemen.
Posting without crediting her.
So you're trying to clarify your argument by being even more opaque with your points.
Good job, dipshit.
> Western Imperalists
>comparing western leaders to barbaric psychopaths who burn people alive and mass execute innocent people for not being Muslim
Are you Swedish or do you just happen to enjoy sucking on Muslim cock?
>When they're trying to introduce campaign to "teach little boys not to rape" you know there is a problem with this shit.
It's more like "teach little boys not to fight for a better world, so that us dormant, complacent women can perpetuate the existing order"
I can play this game too
>Elephants triangle at midnight behind the cream sauce of four souls to bathe upon the midnight pussy cream of the bat king secretary
See? OK now you reply with more nonsensical, obscure gibberish. This is fun!
>comparing islamic leaders to barbaric psychopaths who rain invisible death from the sky and mass execute innocent people for attending birthday parties and weddings.
>Are you Swedish or do you just happen to enjoy sucking on Muslim cock?
I'm American, and i don't wish to suck on one cock to spite the other.
>I'm American, and i don't wish to suck on one cock to spite the other.
And yet you justify what Muslims do because the American government did shitty things in the past (and America was criticized for it by the rest of the world for an entire decade).
Now, justify the Charlie Hebdo murders since you apparently think Islam murdering innocent people is OK.
>Now, justify the Charlie Hebdo murders
I could. But i would be making the same mistake you are.
The best way to look at it is from an observational perspective. Taking any side perpetuates the struggle.
>But i would be making the same mistake you are.
...Except I'm not justify the killing of innocent people. Nowhere did I do that.
>The best way to look at it is from an observational perspective. Taking any side perpetuates the struggle.
That's a complete pussy way of seeing it. If it was a knife to your throat, you would change your tune right quick. You are not Gahndi. These people are not sane and they are not good. They enslave women and murder innocent people from ALL countries and races- US, UK, Iraq, Iran, Jordan- it doesn't fucking matter. They are a scourge. And if moderate Muslims do not want to be lumped in with them, they need to speak out more against them then they currently are.
I think so, I'm not very good discerning these things though. You can really see the crazy in her eyes in this one.
>...Except I'm not justify the killing of innocent people. Nowhere did I do that.
That's just it. You don't HAVE to justify it. Your government does it for you. You do everything they do because you are a cog in the machine just like everyone else.
You are just a part of a more efficient machine than them. You're deluded into thinking progress is a thing that exists.
>Your government does it for you. You do everything they do because you are a cog in the machine just like everyone else.
>2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
>charlie hebdo banter
the swiftness with which the "culturally sensitive" liberal crowd have rushed to downplay an act of pure fascism perpetrated by people who wouldn't hesitate a second to chop their heads off is one of the most hilarious and pathetic things i've ever seen
>to avoid triggers
how can a person claim to care about the troubles of the marginalized and traumatized while exploiting that trauma and marginalization for their own warped, narcissistic needs?
trauma triggers are a real thing(a thing considerate, measured exposure to which has actually been proven to be a solid way to achieve personal recovery, though that's a different story)
they might get brought on as a result of getting robbed at gunpoint
they might get brought on as a result of getting beaten to a pulp by thugs while walking home from work at night
they might get brought as a result of getting raped
they don't get brought on when someone is mean to you on fucking twitter
what a terrible, terrible cunt
Are you guys still at it?
There's a huge difference between a bunch of teenage internet memesters or tumblrtweens posting or reblogging or sharing images and GIFs they like, and a huge, world-famous artist using an image/artwork reappropriated in a promotional video to advertise their shit. I'm a dude and a professional graphic designer, and as someone who's had this happen before, yeah I'd be pissed. WTF does this have to do with feminism or SJWs? Don't make money off of my commercial shit, ESPECIALLY if you're Technohop McMoneybags, it's that fuckin' simple.
I think I would "fuck" her in the "ass", nomsayin?
Ideally, that is, in an entirely equal environment, it wouldn't be but obv. this isn't the case.
I mean the opposite situation would be viewed positively by males,, but that's because society has already afforded them so much "privilege". A female reads something like this, and may feel violated or huugely disrespected. This obviously doesn't mean that she wouldn't enjoy cunnilingus in her private life. She simply has a different world. To be reduced to her sexual organs publicly is hurtful and some sort of reminder of her socio-economic status in a highly sexist/mysoginistic world.
>reappropriated in a promotional video to advertise their shit
He filmed a section of her gif while playing some song he was working on in the background and posted it to snapchat
if some indie artist did it she wouldn't have cared or even known he did it
It's not like he used the gif in a Nike commercial or something
That's only if you buy into all that shit.
I could also say I'm oppressed as a male because my entire worth is judged by how useful I am to society and to women and not what I think and feel and want as a human being.
Not only that but I was circumcised against my will (obviously) at birth.
Here's the rules of how to avoid misogyny and misandry in 2015:
1. Don't be a gender different than the one every person you come into contact is
If you fail to meet these requirements, you are officially a misogynistic pig who should be shot before they rape a baby.
Honestly, I wish every overly-sensitive, coddled, delusional kiddie out there who gets their panties in a bunch over the stupidest bullshit would just be lined up and shot. At least then we could focus on actual problems, not this petty bullshit.
i'm not even pro feminist but like jesus dude this is some awful logic
>someone has a problem with things i do
>they're making it up
>the problem (that implicates me without affecting me) is stupid, they should be killed
shit like that is how actual racism and sexism happens
<<<<<<<<Avoid like the fucking plague
Diplo should've fucking known to leave her well alone if he'd checked her pics