>>53765659 we were all invited to his crappy one bedroom apartment where we listened to the album from his laptop speakers. we all made fun of it and he started banging his head against the wall and crying.
>>53765871 Don't get me wrong. There is plenty of really shitty Black Metal out there, especially small bands from Europe and all those mediocre bedroom-projects. But The Ark Work is a new level of garbage.
i'm listening to it and finding it kind of ridiculous but a lot of fun definitely going to listen a few more times, i can see myself getting really into this album defo not for everyone though, these horns are a bit out there but the mix of electronics and blast beats is very appealing to me good shit man
>>53768439 there's nothing really wrong with it when it's used in moderation or effectively, but in this album it's overused and just sounds shitty. and then comparing something like that to TMR as many people have been doing is a total joke
also this album isn't black metal. it isn't even metal
>>53768506 it doesn't bother me much to be completely honest. i like things that are excessive.
>many people that was precisely one autist samefagging lmao
it's more like Yeezus, or Kid A so i'm basically saying i agree with the notion of it being kinda crappy (while simultaneously being kinda good).
>also this album isn't black metal. it isn't even metal didn't say it was, it would seem i implied that, but what i meant is that (black) metal fans that are going to listen to this album, and they probably will, if only to see what the fuss is about, should be used to that shit
>A 1973 performance of Four Organs at Carnegie Hall in New York City nearly caused a riot, with "yells for the music to stop, mixed with applause to hasten the end of the piece." One of the performers, Michael Tilson Thomas, recalls: "One woman walked down the aisle and repeatedly banged her head on the front of the stage, wailing 'Stop, stop, I confess.'"
And here is John Cage performing a composition on TV.
The reason HHH says "reception is part of the Ark Work" is because it is proof of its true quality, it is true forward-thinking.
This album IS Trout Mask Replica. It IS the true separator between lovers of music and the immature listeners.
>>53768439 Nothing, I fucking love Emperor. The problem on this album is the arrangements are rather thin, and the overly dry and clinical mix really accentuates how cheap/tacky the orchestral timbres are. It's intended to sound grand or "transcendental", yet the only atmosphere it evokes here is an atmosphere of Fruity Loops.
>>53768592 Please don't compare this mess with Steve Reich. Reich actually had interesting musical ideas to contribute beyond extended philosophical diatribes, and they had a profound influence on both popular and art music.
>>53768749 Because you rush to his defense so swiftly, as if you care about him a great deal, instead of just another large icon in the broad history of music. If you cared about more composers (more non-Minimalists) you wouldn't be so protective of people quoting and comparing him, since you have less value for him specifically and more across the Canon of music as a whole.
That being said, my comment was purely about new ideas being shut out by an ignorant masses. Which makes the comparisons perfectly accurate.
>>53768792 >If you cared about more composers (more non-Minimalists) you wouldn't be so protective of people quoting and comparing him That's rather presumptuous of you. An important work shouldn't be considered less valuable simply because you can namedrop more composers. And even if someone does appreciate the entire Canon of music equally, that doesn't effect the quality of a single work. All it effects is context, and a piece of music should be judged on its own merits.
>>53768968 I agree that it should be judged on its merits, and The Ark Work is just as meritorious as TMR. The collision of rhythms, the enjoyment of the individual pieces combining to form a massive whole...but The Ark Work also has many notes of inspired composition. Some of the tracks here feel like developed Post-Rock works rather than Black Metal stagnancy. Just listen to something like Kel Valhaal for the remarkable discordance of vocals with horns with guitars. I need to listen to this album, because it is truly a great work to take in. And I think you need to listen to more music, and mature more. I used to be like you: thinking the avantgarde wasn't worth it. You'll grow up some day.
>>53769047 I think it's easy to think that aventgarde isn't worth while because most of it is shit. It's wanky and lifeless but people jizz about how technical or musically impressive it is. But there are definitely worth while aventgarde records, The Art Work seems to be one of them.
>>53768944 i'm not saying it's wrong, it's just an attempt at overintellectualizing ones own music and it comes off ridiculous, to have the audacity to publish something like that, and describe your music as "transcedental", "a final nihilism" makes you a tool
>>53769047 Frankly I think the Arc Work is incredibly tame compared to either TMR or Four Organs for that matter . It doesn't really defy traditional musical convention or structure in the same way as those did. It's still rock album at heart, and all it's particularly notable for is using elements of electronic music and post-rock in a black metal context, neither of which are even new ideas. I've yet to hear any convincing arguments as to why this album should be considered musically "innovative".
>And I think you need to listen to more music, and mature more. I used to be like you: thinking the avantgarde wasn't worth it. You'll grow up some day When did I say the avantgarde wasn't worth it? Again, you're being incredibly presumptuous here.
>"Hippies? You mean like navel-gazing aficionados of the grateful dead [sic]? I hardly think so. >I think that most people are so disconnected from a natural existence that anyone who doesn’t see the joy in playing “first person shooters” or dining regularly at pizza hut is a hippie . . .
>o me it is more about bringing together lots of different elements that are unlikely candidates for synthesis and finding a way to alchemically mix them together to forge something new. >Philosophically it’s about being on the cusp of shame or nonsense – about just barely making sense, just barely holding together, almost unraveling into some kind of hideous bad taste, but getting it to work.
>>53771271 it is one of the most innovative releases in popular music ive heard in a very long time. obviously there is a lot of creative music out there but it tends to only heard by small art music communities. its unusual an album this creative and original comes out to such a mainstream fanbase.
>>53771271 Exactly. No-one can actually name what is supposedly so "avant-garde" about this on a musical level. If this had been released without any prior context of Liturgy being a black metal band, people would've glazed oved it.
>>53771305 >purposefully being pretentious about 'transcendental black metal' to draw both positive and negative attention >come out with a bland album >obviously it's going to cause a shit-storm >'oh hey i predicted this would happen all along' >calling that "genius"
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