Once you learn how to arrange notation it all comes down to taste
Because you literally choose which note comes after the previous note
People with shit taste fail hard at this
And it's the same with every other aspect of music. Drums, timing, key. It's all just taste
Those with good taste make good music
that's a retarded argument. you are accepting that choosing the next note doesn't take talent and then asserting that choosing the next word does take talent. i'm not taking a side either way, just pointing out that you're dumb.
>there is no talent in making music
>once you learn how to arrange notation
ehhh yes but there is no 1 way about it
>It's all just taste
the difference is in that words have meanings, notes do not
you're dumb too. notation and notes don't actually exist. they're abstractions that make communicating about music easier, not the music itself. you're dumb ass can't tell the difference between the shadows on the wall and the thing that casts the shadow.
i was just shitposting i actually never did anything music related that wasn't listening to it
Citations and/or deductive reasoning required.
Very well, then we can surely say that works using vocals employ phonemes and sequence them in the way that they do purely for aesthetic affect, right? However, if you were to study every single piece of vocal music and compare each to their respective languages, you would find a very high degree of these vocal works not only feature defined words but also to actually conform to the grammatical standards of the times in which they were written.
Can you prove that this occurred merely by accident? I think not.
This is only true by taking music very broadly. I mean, you could easily just drum fingers on your desk, loop it in Audacity, and call it music, yeah, no talent there. But that will appeal to very few people.
The talent is in making music that sounds good.
>Once you learn how to arrange notation
This in itself requires at least some talent. A lot of people cannot arrange notation. Further to my above point, a lot of people also cannot arrange notation in a way that appeals to people.
Words and Notes are given meaning through the culture surrounding them.
gooooooodoasdfg is not considered a word by us. It is considered to have no meaning. But another culture could have this word, and it would have meaning.
Similarly with say, a quartertone. Is it a super sharp/flat version of a note? Or a distinct entity?
>Those with good taste make good music
I've been recording music for 10 years now, and this is the most accurate statement I've ever read on /mu/. Anyone can learn to master the guitar, piano, sing, etc. and some advance well beyond others, but that's not necessary to write great music. Music is literally the arrangement of sounds, and those that have good taste (have listened to and adapted traits from classic artists, AND have natural songwriting sensibilities) are the only ones we can entrust the future of music to. There will always be a band that can play a well-structured catchy song, there will always be a kid of his laptop that can juggle balls in the air with his multi-layered beats, and there will always be incredible singers.
But without taste, we're just acknowledging their talents, not what they're actual contributing to the world of MUSIC. We need people with their finger on the pulse of our culture. If they happen to have the talent to pull of their vision, that's when greatness happens.
>We need people with their finger on the pulse of our culture.
Agreed with you up until here. Fuck culture, it's about the individual's perspective. Whether or not other people can relate to it, who gives a fuck? Naturally those who are more perceptive will be better at music, and those who have a similar view of the world will gravitate towards the same music.
See, the problem was with OP's statement:
>There is no talent in making music
I can agree that people who simply know how to play well aren't very artistically enriched.
If a person can play a complex violin concerto, even without emotion or artistic liberty, they still have talent at their instrument.
So what I can gather from this thread is that you all fucking agree with one another but are just phrasing it differently.
OP says there is no talent, then some other anons say there is, OK OK but it has to come through meaning of notes or words, yes yes alright that's fine, but can you be talented at putting across meaning, it is all structures and composition, this is all taste, seemingly you cannot learn taste and so it is basically the equivalent to talent except in a way more accessible to the average /mu/tant.
Fucking congrats guys you're operating at a third grade level.
what a dumb, self affirming statement though. you're basically praising something for existing. of course it took talent. you can have a lot of basic building blocks missing and still make great music tho. OP is obviously referring to skill, not talent.
This is what I am saying. I think the point that is actually working here is more that talent has made the creation of 'great' music, or 'great' songwriting, inaccessible to the people who pursue it. Over-institutionalized. This I can agree with, and I think if you're sitting there disagreeing with OP then in some sense you're part of the problem.
Not useless but overrated.
You are implying only specific people can become virtuosos. This is inherently false.
Anyone can play an instrument/sing/whatever given the time and effort. "Talent" in the sense of innate skill from birth is a farce. An antiquated belief.
Here's a good example:
Listen to this, pretty much every person who's played a guitar has played with an arrangement like that
It's the most basic arrangement it takes absolutely no talent what so ever
But only one person wrote a song as perfect as naima
his taste wrote this song
Daily reminder: you will never have the taste necessary to write a song (as basic as it is) this well
Great skill as a jazz or classical artist cannot be learned by everyone or even a minority of people. That requires a real talent, or at the very least EXTREME training.