>>54385698 it actually has nothing to do with politics, it's just a stupid fucking buzzword thats extremely easy to throw around for no reason when you have absolutely nothing meaningful to say. see also: >meme >pretentious
The two most important things in life are music and masturbation, and as far as i can tell, "cuck" has nothing to do with either of those. The only things worth getting offended at are objectively bad opinions.
>>54385750 Really? Only just now? He hasn't had critical credibility since 2012.
This album is good, but a little forgettable compared to GKMC. Lyrics are great as usual, but most of the songs in between Kunta and Berry blend together and sound very samey. There are some great tracks, but most of the album is pretty monotonous and boring imo. Anybody else agree?
>>54385812 GKMC is average and the lyrics are pertty boring and is just Kendrick just trying to race bait white college liberals into feeling white guilt for things they didn't do. This album is pretty boring, the lyrics are samey and the songs blend together too much for me to separate them. The only reason this album is even on my radar after the 4th listen is because of how much of an issue Kendrick is trying to make race into. Its really not that good and except for Blacker the Berry and the Thundercat feature, its really forgettable.
>>54385889 On GP is the best Hip-Hop related thing to come out this year though (barring T&Y). Intimate Sensation is incredible too. I think they know this is their swansong, whatever happens, and stepped up their game.
>>54385889 NOTM was already disappointing though, and it's sad that anyone who realizes this gets pegged as a p4k drone.
Half of the album is good, half of it is boring. Although even the good stuff lacks replayability. The production is by-the-numbers and gimmicky (bjork samples on every track because lol why not) and Ride had less of a personality on that record than on any of their previous. At least on Govt Plates he wasn't supposed to be the focus.
>>54385892 GKMC has Sing About Me, I'm Dying of Thirst so it's guaranteed a 6/10 at the absolute minimum. The biggest problem with that album was the cinematic feel that it was so praised for. Listening to any of the tracks on there separately felt like watching individual scenes from a film out of context. It didn't help
Only off of one listen, i can pretty much confirm that TPAB is superior. Purely due to the production. This is a cross between You're Dead and Black Messiah. It's fucking glorious.
>>54386637 >having no respect for art >not understanding art >not being able to decipher in any form I don't know what I expected from a white boy listening to an album specifically geared towards African Americans.
>>54386733 >it's not catchy or something you would put on to listen to for pleasure Nigga, what? Have you tried walking in the park/city with this thing on? I can't even imagine how amazing this would be during the "let's just enjoy the scenery for a couple hours" leg of a road trip.
>For Free? takes a sharp left turn into free jazz and what sounds like a parody of Nicki Minaj’s Lookin’ Ass before Lamar reiterates his value with cascading syllables, barely pausing for breath before the song arrives at its twist ending. Are reviewers trying too hard? I mean, there was nothing free jazzy about that track, but it's a minor point anyway.
>>54386926 Pretty much >>54386956. Racism inherently stems from a complete misunderstanding of fact, so a person with those held beliefs will have a hard time critiquing something as challenging as music that's not necessarily made for them.
Fantano was wrong about Yeezus and he's wrong about this. I anticipate an 8.2 from P4k which is far more reasonable.
Its not a perfect album.
The Tupac dialogue makes me cringe. The poem throughout the album is an interesting idea but falls flat at the end. The free jazz, beat poetry and funk influences make the middle part of the album blurry and meandering. The lyrics are great for the most part. The Blacker the Berry is a killer track and if the rest of the album followed its lead, we could well have had a 10 on our hands.
Kendrick is brilliant - there's no denying that. He's well informed, brilliant at expressing himself and his message is strong and well thought out. But at the end of the day, the album just isn't enjoyable to listen to. A large portion of the album feels like a chore to listen to.
He wants to get a message out but he fails to realise that the very people who need to hear it most are gonna shut this album out almost instantly. If he wants to broadcast his strong opinions, he needs to find a catchier, more musically entertaining way to do so.
Of course racists wont offer up a proper critique, most racists dont like hip hop in the first place. I could give this album the same critique that I give hip hop as a genre, but of course if you like this album then you disagree with me so whats the point? No point in targeting this album directly well all of hip hop is shit anyway.
Its definitely not a fucking 10, even relative to other hip hop albums.
>>54387188 >A large portion of the album feels like a chore to listen to. I agree, and in fairness to Anthony, he did mention this as a possible reason to perhaps not "buy the hype" as so many others have done. No Hip-Hop record is melodically engaging to me to make it worth an hour and twenty minutes of sitting through, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm yet to be proven wrong. Especially with a record like this that demands excessive attention to be fully grasped. His other album I had a similar issue with. You're not GS!YBE, kid, brevity is an asset.
>>54387188 >Its not a perfect album. He never said it was. The people who keep saying "nothing is a 10/10 because that means perfect" and "0/10 doesn't exist; it's a 10 point scale" need to cut it out.
>>54387188 I think the production is gonna give it a ton of replay value and I don't see how it isn't enjoyable to listen to. There's something I love about almost every beat on here. I didn't like Blacker the Berry as a single at all but in the context of the album I liked it more. I'm happy that's not how the whole album sounded or I would be sick of it already. also I found a lot of moments corny on first listen but when I started slowly realizing the concept it all made sense.
>>54387284 If you remember the first week GKMC was released, the beats, vocal inflections, and nontraditional hooks really polarized a lot of people then too. 3 years later and it's seen as very normal.
You can bet from the producers featured on this album alone that this album will have people bobbing their heads within a few months.
>>54387350 This post is just as bad as posts that say that only self-hating whites like it. I don't know why it's so hard for this board to figure out that musical taste isn't dependant on race. Culture/background maybe, but not race.
>>54387481 Because they're all brainwashed minions who FOLLOW whatever someone else says. Twitter is literally the worst platform to get any kind of solid opinion on something. Anything anyone says on that site means nothing because they probably just saw what someone else said and based their opinion on that person's opinion.
>>54387462 I'm not saying I find it abnormal or overly special, just not engaging enough to keep me enticed and attentive for it's long running time and meandering narrative strands. It's an issue I have with Hip-Hop music generally, not one with this record, to be honest.
Since when is a message mutually exclusive from "artistic merit"? Have you guys forgotten that literature/poetry is a thing? Kudos to Kendrick for trying to make something that aspires to be more than just music. You guys are being really close minded here.
>>54385960 Think about how often classic albums occur. There's usually at least one every year or two, at least according to Fantano and p4k's retrospective scores. At least Fantano has the balls to give albums 10s upon release instead of updating scores like a little bitch.
>>54387685 >subtlety There goes that word again. Subtlety is not a one size fits all label that every work of art needs to be hindered by. GKMC is far less subtle and it's STILL one of the best pieces of art from this decade.
>depth The album is only a few days old, I've listened to it an upwards of 20 times and I'm still finding new meaning with each listen.
>gimmick An album that never loses its focus for an hour and 20 minutes is a gimmick?
I unsubscribed immediatly when Fantano said 10. There's no album on the world that deserves a 10 and nor will there ever be. Fantano just proved that he either has no idea about music reviewing or is a populist click bait whore.
okay so, im being actually legitimate here. can someone explain to me the appeal of this album? to me it all seems like boring RnB-lite jazz influenced production (aside from maybe 2 or 3 tracks) that all sounds almost exactly the same with kendrick angrily and angst-ily screaming over race or something.
i really really liked gkmc, but i can't really get into this and i've listened it like 3 times now.
I'm a drummer and when Whiplash came out I saw it 6 times in 6 days, more than any other movie. However, I am fully aware that my opinion of the movie is colored by specific personal circumstances and thus I would never call it a 10/10.
I would expect a 10/10 to have a timeless universal quality that could be appreciated by any human being. This album seems to be cashing in on a very specific social issue that is only relevant in certain circles.
I also cant understand why any white person would care outside of simply bopping their heads to the music. There's hundreds of albums dedicated to various social issues in all parts of the world. Nothing special about this one.
this album is so hilarious >its cool to be black and proud of your heritage >white people who are proud of their heritage are racist devils! only colored people can do this!
>>54388544 >yfw racism is primarily perpetuated by the liberal cucks that claim everyone else of it >yfw any american citizen regardless of race, sex, or religion is among the top 1% of the worlds population in terms of freedom and wealth >yfw tribalism is engrained into the human condition and this is what people call "racist" even though 99% of the population doesn't act upon that nature
this is why shit like this bothers me. race is played out by liberals and the tumblr faggots that worship their "movement" as some sort of plague on this country, when in reality, 99% of the people that live here would be considered gods to people of 70% of the rest of the modern world and 100% of people from past generations.
>>54388450 >>54388634 Feefo: >Gusy, I know there has been a lot of hype about this album... >But I just can't fuck wit it, ya know? Not really enough bangers for me Myke looks at him and says "SERIOUSLY?" Beezy looks puzzled for a moment "I dunno man I kinda agree with Feefo" Myke once again freaks out "ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS?!"
I predict most of the review will be like that. Feefo and Beezy won't like it because the music isn't very good and they don't care about a message if the music isn't good, but Myke will talk about how great the message is. K will probably like it too.
It's his opinion and anthony is a cool guy and shouldn't get any hate. He gave it a 10 and made a 26 minute video backing up his opinion. That's respectable. I personally think the album is a 7 but my opinion holds 0 weight, Anthony's does and he's earned the right to carry that weight. He's a good dude.
>>54389065 No you fucking idiot. He knows that this album is immensely popular so he will give it a 10 drawing in the most amount of fans possible because he assures their own opinions on the album.
There is no point in giving fake reviews to unknown post rock or indie groups because the only people watching those will be people who actually enjoy and study music as a major hobby and would be able to sniff this shit out.
This album review is guaranteed to increase his viewer base by at least 50%, if not more, because the album/Kendrick is so popular, so why not keep those people watching more by just affirming their shit opinions.
>>54386482 its the same people posting all the time tho. theres like a group of trolls that posts a ton and in the same thread too so it looks like many people posting. There must be about 3 people posting cuck/white guilt memes while it looks like a lot and they come from pol. that meme ca fuckoff
>>54387188 >A large portion of the album feels like a chore to listen to MAYBE on first listen it does but after that the instrumentals are pretty decent soul, jazz etc. Pretty mellow and easy to enjoy actually.
>to some of those people, I might say try listening to a hip-hop record that came out before 2010 xD
This guy is such a condescending cunt. He thinks everyone that doesn't enjoy deep and edgy crap like he does is a teenager or something.
The music on this is incredibly boring aside fron King Kunta and The Blacker the Berry, and he even says himself "If the music under the message is garbage, its garbage". That's not even necessarily 100% true, but he literally says that himself.
The message is too geared towards a specific type of person (SJW black people), and like >>54388455 said, I think that detracts from the transferability of the message of the album.
The music aside from a couple of tracks is incredibly hard to sit through all the way.
I guess the message is okay, but its still just too geared toward other black people, and honestly to me comes across as pandering.
I feel like people are overrating this album because its been hyped for so long, and people don't want to be critical of something so "socially conscious" lest they be considered a racist or Uncle Tom or something.
>>54385664 I thought a cuck is someone lets his/her girlfriend/boyfriend to be fucked by someone else while he/her watches. Pretty much calling cucks: A bunch of weak, not taking control of the situation, let the world shit all over them BETAS!!!
>IM A SUBURBAN 17 YEAR OLD WHITE KID WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SLAVERY OR CIVIL RIGHTS BUT THIS ALBUM IS MAKING ME FEEL GUILTY CAUSE ITS ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE STUFF I DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND. Could there be more perfect description of Kendrick listener?
>>54389784 The entire album is about inward black identity and experiences. Are you actually telling me that when Kendrick was writing The Blacker the Berry or u or Institutionalized, he was thinking "Wow I'm sure more than black people will be able to identify and understand these feelings and experiences that are almost exclusive to black people and surely understand what I'm trying to convey here!"
>>54389981 That wasn't actually me, but I'm pretty sure you're just baiting me at this point. I was simply saying that any music directed at one group of people and no one else is bad. It doesn't matter if its white people or gay people or sick people or black people or whatever.
Is this the part where you over analyze my post as if that has anything to do with the "argument"?
>This is the part where you call me cuck even through you have no clue what it actually means.
Do you think that if Fantano conclusively proved that he is in fact NOT letting black men fuck his GF it would stop anyone from calling him a cuck? You seem to be the one who does not know what cuck means.
>>54385915 Dude, it's fucking obvious that CuckFork will do that.
This album is literally everything they want: white guilt, black power, and pretentious jazz tunes and to top it off it's done by a negroid. They will give it a 10.0 and it's fucking obvious, Sherlock.
>>54385582 I cant wait until Scaruffi gives this the 7-7.5/10 (out of a scaruffi scale so maybe strong 8 or light 9 on a fantano scale) this album truly deserves.
In a couple of months, only social justice activists will call this a classic. The rapping is repetitive, the lyrics, beyond the political/social meaning, are quite dull. The production is jazzy, but no where near as creative as jazz could be. Its not interesting jazz.
People are overhyping and overreacting. Fantano is clueless about traditional hip-hop sometimes. He will regret giving this a 10 when Jenny Death comes out, because that so far sounds like a genuine 10. Even Kendrick says so in king kunta (powers that b).
I rehiterate my point : interesting album, fresh production (not very new, very flylo reminiscent, like an angry outkast) but the only people calling this a classic in a couple of years will be social justice warriors who fall in love with the message.
But that's what in fact you were implying, cuckolding has nothing to do with race, but of course you can't just stop thinking about some black dick for some odd reason. You're worse than some sheltered white women when it comes to that shit. Seek help.
>>54390272 That track felt straight out of TMS, and with ever newer sounds. I loved it, and Fantano probably did too since he gave TMS the original 10 (and that time for the actual music not politics),
>>54387350 You're on /mu/ so you're probably not one of the typical "WORLDSTARRR" negroids though, and your friends probably aren't either. The black person that Kendrick is talking to in this album will probably hate it.
>>54390200 The entire message is contrived and aimed at people that already are convinced by it.
None of the songs are saying "Hey everyone! Look at how much this sucks! Please consider it!" but instead going "Wow guys this really sucks doesn't it! No one gets it like we do!" He's just saying what a specific group of people already believe, while not trying to convince anyone else of the reality of the problem. This is why it just sounds like pandering.
And who are these people already convinced by his message before he even spoke it? Yes, your social justice warriors that happen to be black and might share some of these experiences.
No, black people aren't just one big uniform group of people, but there is definitely a certain type of person this was made for.
>>54390447 >so you're probably not one of the typical "WORLDSTARRR" negroids though, and your friends probably aren't either What's funny is you've probably said this "compliment" to at least one of your black friends.
>>54390524 >What's funny is you've probably said this "compliment" to at least one of your black friends. Cry more, you white guilt ridden cuckold. I speak the truth, not sugarcoating it for faggots like you. The average young American black is an ignorant dumb fucker and you know it.
>>54390531 Thats one thing I dont get, why do you only tell him hes ignorant and not why, what he does that is. I mean I get how he is making assumptions but tell him instead of just saying ''you ignorant!''.
It doesnt help anything and if anything you use the same logic when assuming him a pol racist as he does assuming you are one type of black and Kendrick talks about another (which ipso facto segregates and stereotypes a race).
Dont say you are ignorant, say you are ignorant: here's why.
>>54390694 I can 100% say I don't in any level of my consciousness agree with you. This ignorant black you speak of as being apart the enlightened black is bullshit. There's no separation of race based off education or upbringing.
That's like separating white trash from the CEOs and going hey crackie, why don't you listen to Pelosi you dumb crackie!
This won't penetrate your skull though, i only wrote this to prove that I can reason why you're wrong.
>>54390792 >That's like separating white trash from the CEOs and going hey crackie, why don't you listen to Pelosi you dumb crackie! You make it sound as if I wouldn't do that, you dumb fuck. Of course I'd tell a white trash Republican to get a fucking education or read a book and I would call them WHITE trash.
You are literally full of white guilt, and if you're black you have a victim complex. You're pathetic either way.
>>54390736 If it is reasonable you can explain it logically. Whether he listens is another thing, but I doubt what he does here is a grand concept that must be meditated on.
You still make an assumption by the way, you use the same logic. Justify it however you can, the logic is the same. You simply cannot know if this guy is a pol troll if he doesn't tell you, you just assume (even with mountains of evidence).
Now, explain to him if how he is ignorant. I know why, its obvious. It did not require self growth. If you want to truly dismiss him then say why (because he is a troll).
>>54391042 You can't blame your parents for your problems. Eventually you have to man the fuck up and take responsibility. Some people have nice parents, some have bad ones, but regardless if you blame them you're using them as a crutch to keep you from changing because you're "content" where you are.
>>54390828 It's just too much to tackle in one post and I'm not that committed to making a stubborn person see the light so last post. I'll read yours then head off.
A person's childhood environment doesn't make them less than the members of their race or their society. Trying to separate the poor black from well-off blacks introduces unnecessary racism when you should be addressing the class issues that led to the poor blacks behaving the way they do. Your focusing on whether I'm white or black though shows you're not interested in fixing an issue, you simply want to hate in peace and will marginalize me in any way you can. It's easy to stand from a pulpit. but to say something of value is much more difficult.
>>54391235 You say this yet you are probably #BLACKLIVESMATTER and probably complain about how blacks are discriminated against and face discrimination because they are black.
If you really want to focus on the issue of economics then do it but don't cry about your own stereotypes when they make you a victim but get mad when someone else points out stereotypes that reveal what's really going on.
>>54391117 I'm not talking about blaming them, I am saying who you are and your interest is determined by them. Yes, part of what makes you unsuccessful is how your parents raised you. But later in life, you can fix yourself and ''man the fuck up'' but for some, its too late.
>>54391539 Well statistically it's mostly blacks that live in poverty. Now yes this was originally because of racism in the past but if all you do is whine about the white man keeping you down you are never, ever going to change. Change comes from within, yes there are changes that should be made in society but they are miniscule compared to what's really important which is black culture itself in America changing.
You're like the white teenagers on /pol/ crying about how much they hate Jews and blaming Jews for them being failure losers.
you can change it yourself if you want, but you don't want to
>>54391703 Whatever. There is a toxic, terrible aspect of black culture that creates and rewards young black kids for acting ignorant, violent, and rejecting intellectualism. And I don't think I'm racist or ignorant for pointing it out and criticizing it. I think you're a big part of the problem for trying to ignore it.
>>54391754 But that same shit is in white culture. Now to reveal I'm black (gasp!). White people in my suburban neighborhood tried to box me in because I didn't act hood.
Look at Republican political campaigns, candidates try their hardest to act simple and uneducated ("I'm just a simple fellow, not like those liberals up north with their 'Harvard' diploma"). They talk about shooting shit since they were five like guns are toys. Honestly, black culture isn't toxic, it's the mainstream perception of it.
A few years ago, jazz was this thing threatening the fabric of american society and causing loose morals, white people adopted it so now it's rap. Once again, it's much easier to stand there and judge than to say something thought-out and well-reasoned.
>>54391754 It's not being ignored and to go back to the album, it's something that's prominently covered. But to think that's the only issue or not a product of a deeper rooted issue is brought on by the lack of knowledge of reality.
Why does a population of people that makes up not even 10% of the overall population (black men) make up most of the population within the prison system? Is it because more melanin makes a human inherently evil or is it a remnant of a dark past that is still deeply rooted in today's socioeconomics?
>>54391882 >>But that same shit is in white culture. Now to reveal I'm black (gasp!). White people in my suburban neighborhood tried to box me in because I didn't act hood. Tiny minority, nothing like how prevalent it is in lower income black neighborhoods. >Look at Republican political campaigns, candidates try their hardest to act simple and uneducated ("I'm just a simple fellow, not like those liberals up north with their 'Harvard' diploma"). They talk about shooting shit since they were five like guns are toys. Honestly, black culture isn't toxic, it's the mainstream perception of it. That's white trailer trash hicks and old people, which WHITE people are constantly criticizing. >A few years ago, jazz was this thing threatening the fabric of american society and causing loose morals, white people adopted it so now it's rap. Once again, it's much easier to stand there and judge than to say something thought-out and well-reasoned. >A few years
If you're referring to jazz and Elivs Presley that was a long time ago, from a different generation. Hip Hop is still hated and reviled by the same people who hated it 10 years ago. >>54391958 You're right, but black people themselves and their culture are also a big piece of that puzzle, yet you always want to ignore that and act as if they're too stupid to be responsible for their actions,as if blacks should not be held to the same standards whites are held to.
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