Disregard experimental/backpacker hip hop, given the content on these albums I've come to the conclusion that these are the most defining albums about the struggle for african americans. What would be a good fit for the 2000s?
best "conscious" rap of the 90s is clearly Goodie Mob.
how is it not?
>the most defining album about the struggle for african americans
get the fuck outta here with that wigger shit
because it's not as influential as illmatic
>album about a comic book character
>defining album about the struggle for african americans
But the 00s were the decade of the backpacker.
I nominate cLOUDDEAD.
even if this came out in the 2000s (which it didnt you autist) it wouldnt even be in the top 20 hip hop albums that define the struggle for african americans simply because its all about kanye and what effect fame has on him
also the fact that it hasnt influenced a single hip hop album that came out after it
this is actually the correct answer
not that its the best it just defined the music of that decade. Defined being the important word
The Carter III could also be the defining album but I think GRoDT had more of an impact.
Backpacker hip hop as you call it is the only REAL music defining the struggle for African Americans
What you posted is a bunch of people who used the struggle to get rich but never did anything to change it other than Public Enemy, and they didn't even do much
>BITCH IMMA KILL YOU
its the kind of album that white high school kids who get picked on put on and relate to. not that theres anything wrong with that, but the albums in the OP are all much more ambitious and mature.
that album was the climax of a two-year-long national cultural event that started with the Taylor Swift controversy and ended with one of the most critically acclaimed albums of our generation. For years everyone was either talking about that album or talking about the events that led up to it. The only reason MBDTF isn't super influential is because no one aside from Kanye had the resources and craziness to replicate it.
If we're going by influence, 808s & Heartbreak is probably the most important hip-hop album of this current generation of hip-hop
for real tho. dead prez is way underrated.
see pic related
i hope you realize that in the grand scheme of things no one is going to give a shit about that taylor swift controversy and its influence on the album. it will not stand the test of time
one of the main reasons people praise pb because of how forward thinking the sampling and beats were and how it was influential to a lot of 90's production. it definitely doesn't represent what people talk about when they describe something as having "an 80's sound", so i don't think it can be the "definitive" record from that era
MMLP without a doubt. The career-making and fan-consensus best album from the most popular rapper ever? It's a sure bet. And I find it hard to believe MBDTF is gonna get dethroned this decade. It's too grand, too bold, too all-encompassing and lauded. Lamar's newest challenges the throne but it's not going to knock it off the top. It doesn't look forward enough, sonically. Dark Fantasy raised the bar for what grandiose really means in the context of Hip-Hop.
its one of those people WOO
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>>the most defining album about the struggle for african americans
i wanna repost this quote because i think people think this is a thread where we find definitive albums in a genre when it's apparently not
also because "most defining album about the struggle for african americans" is a pretty dumb and funny phrase
This whole debacle is pretty ridiculous. r/hiphopheads is writing dissertations on the meaning of this album, Fantano gives it a 10, and here we are claiming it's the definitive hip-hop album of the 2010s. It's only been two days yet people are singing its praises like it's the revelation of the gospel.
This is indicative of one of two things.
Hip-hop fans care too much about getting on a hype train than they do about actually listening to music. Two days is not long enough to talk about its place in hip-hop and how definitive it is for 2015. It seems as though they care more about the social capital of liking TPAB than they do the actual album.
If you'll let me put on a Scarufi cap, it just shows how hip-hop shouldn't be taken seriously as music. If we can accurately say this a revolutionary, genre-defining album within two days of release, it's so accessible that it'll never be taken seriously as music. It's easily digestible, pop music that doesn't make you think.
Hell, I even like this album. Let's just not explode in orgasmic fury and act like it's the Second Coming of Christ.
>If you'll let me put on a Scarufi cap, it just shows how hip-hop shouldn't be taken seriously as music. If we can accurately say this a revolutionary, genre-defining album within two days of release, it's so accessible that it'll never be taken seriously as music. It's easily digestible, pop music that doesn't make you think.
I agree, although I think your point relates more to the immediacy of everything in a post-internet society than it does to necessarily Hip-Hop. Mass media and being allowed "everything all the time" has turned everything in our culture to naught but a blur in a whirlwind of here-today gone-tomorrow media.
>it's so accessible that it'll never be taken seriously as music
do you really think that's how music is actually regarded by people generally? like music historians actually think to themselves "this is moderately easy to listen to and melodic and thus i can't take it seriously as music"
>It's easily digestible, pop music that doesn't make you think.
oh you're kidding around LMAOOO!!
Very true, it's just that despite hype trains are usually two sided between people/critics who like it and others that don't. This is just a split between people over "white guilt" and race issues. People who supposedly "get it" (regardless of race) believe it's a classic since it isn't the mainstream album that K.Dot could have made and instead it is Kendrick on his soapbox talking about these issues on an album with a structure similar to hip-hop classics. It has:
-Controversial race issues
-A somewhat popular artist but with a lack of mainstream appeal (how many actual classics do your normie friends know well?) despite it's predicted sales and success.
Essentially, it's lined up to be a classic, but people are still jumping the gun.
>the immediacy of everything in a post-internet society
I think that's a good way to put it. Seriously, leave it 'til 2019 until we start talking about Albums of the Decade and whether or not this had a big impact. It's too soon. Let it breathe.
>oh you're kidding around LMAOOO!!
I'm not saying that's what I believe, but I am saying that if we can say with complete accuracy that this is a defining album of 2015, then it's far too easily digestible in a musical sense. It doesn't challenge any musical barriers. His message of course may be very challenging (especially for white people) but we're not reading a political essay, we're listening to an album. Musical qualities are important--more important than any sort of message you could add to the music.
No one will ever admit this but Tha Carter 3 encapsulated the zeitgeist of the 00s perfectly.
>yfw we major
This is the only answer.