I like Jazz. Do you like Jazz? I'm currently listening to "Scenery" by Ryo Fukui, what are you listening to?
Jazz fucking sucks anon, everyone who actually likes music is laughing at you right now for enjoying that shit. The whole genre is the definition of the word wank, literal aural masturbation with no depth whatsoever.
>muh time signatures
Typical jazz fan, resorting to buzzwords and calling others "uncultured" as an argument. It's funny you say that I'm "uncultured" but your the one listening to the completely vapid noodling that is jazz; also I didn't really care for TPAB (6/10) but I can guarantee it has more depth than anything Miles Davis or Ornette Coleman or any other fucking jazz "artist" ever produced.
If I wanted to feel good I would listen to Pet Sounds, because at least it means something and conveys actual emotion instead of aimlessely noodling around for 10-20 minutes (if not longer.) Post some jazz albums that you think have some level of depth to them, and actually express those ideas in the music instead of some shitty 'concept' tacked onto the peice.
Well I can't speak for you but I don't enjoy listening to shitty music. What I was getting at in my last post was that you seem to consider jazz a high quality form of music, but only on the basis that it makes you "feel good" not that it actually has any intellectual or emotional depth; I made the comparison to Top 40 pop because it is essentially the same way, totally vapid, and I'm assuming you don't consider it to be on the same level as jazz, what exactly constitutes the difference in quality between something like Katy Perry and Thelonious Monk?
thats my favorite album anon
currently listening to non-jazz (abner jay) but last jazz album i listened to way johnny griffith - a blowin session. my local record store has a cioy of the vinyl but it's like 80 bucks :(
scenery is seriously such a great album. even my nonjazz friends love it
it doesn't matter to me if music has intellectual or emotional depth, all that matters to me is that it sounds good to me and makes me feel good.
you don't like music that you don't consider intellectual and deep, and since that's the case don't listen to shit you think isn't intellectual and deep and don't be an autist who goes around shitting up threads and saying his opinion is fact
It's a real shame when one post ruins a thread. Hide any unrelated posts :)
I've been really getting into robert glasper lately. My favorite is in my element. i can't stop listening to maiden voyage/everything in it's right place.
Was anyone else let down by black radio 2? even black radio 1 was mediocre. i'm really glad hes returning to jazz for his next album
I never said my opinion was fact, don't put words in my mouth. I was just trying to get a good discussion going, if I hadn't been "shitting up" this thread it would be near the last page and dead. I apologize for attempting to understand your opinion and express mine on a music dsicussion board.
Jazz peeps, how is the album in pic? Was browsing metacritic to see TPAB's score for shits and giggles, and saw that pic is the highest rated non-remaster/non-deluxe edition album (even higher than my baby SMiLE.) Is it that good?
MY FUCKING MULATTO
Recently bought that guy's first record, pretty damn expensive but totally worth it.
Apparently the dude who owns Mississippi Records is sitting on Abner's autobiography. No idea when it'll be released (if ever).
Damn I'm impressed that you're this anti-jazz. I read your first post and I thought you were trolling. But even if you trolling are you're making good enough points to be taken seriously.
Now go fuck yourself because jazz is my shit and the shit generally. Here's why:
I am one. Not professional but good enough and with enough experience that I can claim to give a damn. Jazz has some of the best musicians I've ever heard. Elvin Jones how the hell do you manage to get 100+ tones out of 5 drumheads? With creativity, a discerning ear, creativity, and excellent wrist/hand control.
Miles Davis. So. fucking. deliberate. Every note is so well weighted, he just takes his time and places his shit exactly where it needs to go. There are so few Miles Davis solos where I feel certain notes could be better off elsewhere or gone.
John Coltrane polar opposite. Loose, daring, powerful. Overplayed a little bit early in his career, this record included. Just as dynamic as Miles is versatile. You know what? Just as versatile as Miles is versatile too.
Here they are playing modal jazz while it was still fresh and early. Solos like these had not been heard often before (on record, I can't speak to live performances), and it only sounds a teeny bit forced. But I didn't pick this track because it's the first quintet's best, I picked it because it is exemplary. They consistently went at new shit like it's been their main bitch since way back when. Jazz at one point was just bland swing-esque dance music. Then bebop happened. Hard bop happened. Cool happened. Modal happened. The ridiculous orgy of sound called the 60s happened. Then free jazzed happened because shit, what do you do when the best have been at it for two decades strong? You say fuck it, I'm going wild.
Speaking of which: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX24Ry3HxhM
Good jazz is witty and light on its feet, like a good philosopher (extreme props if you pick up the reference).
I put this shit on and I dance. I honestly, most of the time, could give less of a damn about melody. Don’t even bother me with lyrics. I pick something, I press play, and then I go back to what I was doing. And then I stop what I was doing and I dance, because that’s how I express my gratitude to music. Maybe it’s because I’m a drummer but I love the fact that jazz is constantly smashing together different rhythms. If you have ever earnestly enjoyed snapping along to music then you should be listening to jazz. It just gives you so much freedom and so much room to work with, that’s the whole point. It’s like 90% improvisation, which some people don’t like, but I really dig music that has so little pre-conceit and puts so high a priority on self-expression in the moment.
4.) Black People:
Pic related, Monk straight chillin. Nuf said
Holy shit anon I love you! And if the rest are on the level Dred Scott and MLK Jr. are on, then hell yes I'll buy this. Cuz if the rest is that good, I am surprised /mu/ hasn't gotten on this yet.
It's been more than hour since my last post and I don't really feel like keeping this up; as you suspected I was just fucking around, I have as much respect for Jazz as the next guy, both as a listener and a musician. I actually grew up listening to Jazz, as that was all my father listened to at the time, especially fusion and the more avant garde styles (although it was mixed together.) I don't listen to a lot of Jazz myself, but I always enjoy it when I do, my favourite Jazz album could be Sketches Of Spain but Headhunters would be a close second. Sorry if I genuinely offended anyone.
dude you suck pretty hard. why shit up a decent enough thread so so so so so badly among the potentially worst climate ever on mu where nothing good is happening outside of daily?
thank you for this post. i'm not a musician, so jazz is a tad more subjective for me, but you really effectively conveyed some of what i feel when i listen to jazz. definitely gonna try to look at jazz in a similar fashion from now on.
>what exactly constitutes the difference in quality between something like Katy Perry and Thelonious Monk?
>being this retarded
One is a musician and the other is a crap shoot celebrity who happens to record music.
Then let's bring the share threads back.
Thelonious Monk - Misterioso (1958)
>I think one of his last great albums before the triplet from 1963. Johnny Griffin on sax kills it.
Sun Ra - Sun Song/Jazz By Sun Ra (1956)
>Back before he was the cosmic overlord he was still one of the most creative jazz musicians around.
George Russell - Ezz-Thetics (1961)
>Not super well known but George Russell is one of jazz's intellectual pioneers. Eric Dolphy leads the way on this one.
Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti the Beautiful One Has Come (1962)
>Early free jazz, maybe my favorite jazz album ever. Piano trio that plays way bigger than should be possible for a three piece. Music for movers.
All of these are personal favs but also important albums from their discographies. 3 of the 4 should be moderately easy to find. I really wish I had upload links to give, I'll be able to do that soon.
Always heard jazz growing up, now I have to write it for a film job. gotta get my Count Basie/ Earl Fatha Hines piano chops up
>Jazz fucking sucks
giant pleb detected.
just stick to your kanye west and NMH threads kid
Well, you can start with the often highly rated holy trinity
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
and sometimes along with them but not is
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
Miles Davis has a second quintet that made some nifty stuff:
Miles Davis - Miles Smiles
Miles Davis - Nefertiti
John Coltrane later started doing more avant garde shit:
John Coltrane - Ascension
Miles later on became an amazing jazz fusion guy
Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Miles Davis - Jack Johnson
there are other cool jazz fusion albums, too
Sun Ra - Atlantis
Sun Ra - Lanquidity
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
Then there's some other, cooler, less accessible stuff
Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners
Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz: A collective Improvisation
Pharoah Sanders - Karma
John Zorn - Kristallnacht
Fushitsusha and Peter Brotzmann - Nothing Changes No One Can Change Anything, I Am Ever-Changing Only You Can Change Yourself
Oh son of a bitch, I forgot jazz guitarists. Sorry bruh, I am drunk posting.
Django Reinhardt - Djangology or really any greatest hits type album he has
Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery
Pat Metheny - Bright Size Life
Guthrie Govan - Erotic Cakes
Each a different style of jazz guitar. All good.
>only jazz album I've ever listened to (other than BBNG)
>not sure where to go from here
any other albums I should check out?
4chan won't let me post the actual DL link. Hopefully I am allowed to post the link that took me there.
Monitoring this thread. I'm a jazz pleb and only listen to BBNG, but would like to hear more different styles especially after watching Birdman.
Throw me some recs bros. Maybe some jazz essentials.
check out sammy nestico. He was a bone player and arranger for count basie. He's like one of the best big band dudes out there.
Michael Phillip Mossman is also a newish guy who has some arranging chops
And this won't help as much with job music (but it's my personal favorite): Don Ellis. He basically had a hard on for hard time signatures and classical and middle eastern instruments being used in his songs.
I've been listening to this album several times already, pretty good surprise and definitely not like the others
Listened to Word of Mouth by Jaco eariler. Not the most traditional album (it's barely even jazz actuall) but some of the compositions there are just beautiful. It's a jaco album that's not focused on his playing and it's really amazing and I highly recommend it.
I fucking love Japanese Jazz. I wish I could get into more traditional Jazz but none of it really interests me as much as like Ryo Fukui or Soil and Pimp Session, the latter of which is mot likely taboo for jazz but who gives a fug.
one of my all time favourites. psychedelic as fuck. there really needs to be more avant-fusion with organs as the lead instrument. Miles Davis' live fusion albums are pretty much the only thing on its level.
speaking of Don Ellis, he made a good album with a bunch of Poles
Have you heard this? It's long as fuck, but quite good
I'm just listening to Bitches Brew. I don't know, i liked In A Silent Way better, maybe because i love Weather Report.
Listen Black Market if you want to listen to some jazz-fusion.
Also, Dark Magus is fucking intense. It feels like everyone on that album is crazy or on heavy drugs
don't worry folks, even louis armstrong didn't know much theory and he definitely didn't have musical education (if you mean something like a college) and he was the most important jazz musician of all time probably.
>when Pharoah Sanders comes in
I love that guys sound so fucking much. Also when he starts yelling inbetween notes after the 10 minute mark.
The guys from Sleepwalker must've counted themselves extremely lucky to be able to play with such a master.
Also listen to this, especially the solo at 10:28
>tfw Rahsaan Roland Kirk will forever be underrated
Also made one of my favourite Goodbye Pork Pie Hat versions.
And the quality isn't 100% but this is one of the most mindblowing performances i've ever heard.
>THEY SHOT HIM DOOOOWN
he's not really underrated I think, just not enough talked about
That´s perhaps more accurate. I do know he scared every saxophone player playing with him.
His imagination and creativity are just unparallelled though. I love how he quotes A Love Supreme in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PncYUEzRKFU
Duane Eubanks - Things of that prticular nature
Avishai Cohen - From darkness
I'm wainting for Isabelle Olivier - Don't worry be haRpy because I don't know any jazz with a harp and I'd like to see what it sounds like
The Red Garland Quintet - All Mornin' Long
Satoko Fujii - Toward, "TO WEST"
Oliver Nelson - The Blues And The Abstract Truth
Here's some i got in my mega account.
oh shit I didn't know they were so quick on rutracker. since the album's barely a month old I didn't even thought it could be already uploaded
François Méchali - Orly and bass
A bit off topic but does anyone here listen to jazz influenced electronic stuff? So far the closest I've found is Mr Carmack's stuff, but looking to check out similar artists. Song is pretty much what I'm looking for:
François Méchali - Le souffle d'une corde
solo bass again
if you want to hear Méchali playing with someone, I'd recommend François Couturier - Musica callada
I still am obliged to buy some albums sometimes, 9/10 service though
-All Weather Report albums
-All Tower of Power
-Disco Volante by Mr. Bungle
-In A Silent Way and Dark Magus by Miles Davis
-The Inner Mounting Flame by Mahavishnu Orchesta
-Third by Soft Machine
If someone wants any of thse, i'll upload them to Mega
i think a lot of people are turned off by the novelty aspect of roland kirk, or by the fact that a lot of his records are not all that great... that and also he wasn't really an innovative player.
in the canon of jazz, kirk is really somewhat of an insignificant player, especially when you compare him to people like joe henderson, sonny rollins, john coltrane etc
You can make any player look insignificant when you compare them to the worshiped heroes of the jazz canon.
Doesn't say anything interesting about their art. See: players/composers like Sam Rivers.
>You can make any player look insignificant when you compare them to the worshiped heroes of the jazz canon.
you can take any comment on 4chan and turn it into an argument that you can craft in your favor
Sam Rivers was an innovative writer and player, quite different from Roland Kirk
there's a reason why the 'worshiped heroes' ARE the worshiped heroes - quite simply, they could do what others couldn't
It's just that my bait was that good.
Currently listening to a John Coltrane compilation , Trane's Blues, I bought for $3 a while ago. It's quite good, although I prefer his more avant garde stuff. I've had it for a few weeks but I bought it along with a few other cds and I guess it got overlooked.
Anyone got something similar to this? This is the most beautiful music piece I've ever heard.
You gotta say more than that bruh. If he goes and listens to American Beauty now he'll have not clue what you were talking about.
Oh and obviously Electric Miles stuff if you haven't.
Elvin Jones was such a beast, he's the best thing on every late-Coltrane record.
Does he have any good albums of his own?
Jazz-Hip Trio - Portraits  @ V0
man, I like this guy Philippe Petit on guitar a lot. pic related and his album with Miroslav Vitous are both excellent
Thoughts on this?
My favorite jazz album.
one of my favorite Shorter albums, even if I like Juju more
I heard him recently on pic related, which is a very good session although I expected even more regarding the monstruous lineup on it
i've been into jazz since a young age
not listening to jazz this very second though earlier I was listening to Enter - Fire! Orchestra
a bit genre-bending, but be sure to check it out
it has been discussed a lot as far as I can remember. if you want some other great japan jazz you should check out this record label : http://www.discogs.com/label/50712-Three-Blind-Mice
thanks for this.
I believe only 2 pressings have been made.
Both in very limited numbers. They never go for sale as well.
not only these guys are united through their work, both having worked with Horace Silver, but also in their playing. Cecil McBee also delivers a quality bass work
Hi, guys. Recs on something similar to this? I'm new into jazz and i know shit about the genre, but i liked this a lot.
if you're looking for Biteches bresw-esque kind of stuff you'll be pleased
as for general fusion I'd recommend pic related a lot
not really bossa nova related although definitely jazz related, but the cover reminds me a lot of pic related
on a more bossa nova related, Herbie Mann - Recorded live at Rio de Janeiro, with Jobim and Gilberto