>>54479739 I'm listening to it right now (on the last track) and it's probably the most overrated thing I've witnessed in a while. Kendrick has some serious ability as a rapper, and the production is alright, but the overall concept of the album is awful. Kendrick really relishes in the ideal of a black person who really just wants white people to bend over for him and let his community continue to be self-destructive. He treats white people as the enemy.
>>54479994 Enlighten me then because I actually want to know, what are Kendricks views on all this then? >>54480019 I probably need to listen to it again then, because that wasn't the vibe I was getting from him, especially in The Blacker The Berry. I could be wrong though.
>>54480046 >>54480104 I realize that Kendrick is very against gang culture, and I respect him for having those views considering how he grew up, but I don't think he seems like a person who would have everyone just forget race and be together as equals. Again, correct me if I'm missing something because I really do want to have good conversation on this album.
>>54480051 the inspiration for the album's WHOLE SOUND (jazz, soul, funk) are the "butterflies" of black culture, or those true, beautiful black artists who are pimped by the "cocoon" of quickly and thoughtlessly made "gangsta" rap that just appeals to suburban kids. he hates how the wrong elements of the culture are always glorified, not the artist's ability to grow amongst the hardship. the city itself is also seen as the cocoon, too.
if you just follow through the spoken word parts of the last track (Mortal Man) it's all pretty much spelled out. he ABSOLUTELY takes pride in black culture, but he's calling out some stuff, too.
>>54480051 TBTB ends with "Why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street, when gangbanging make me kill a nigga blacker than me? Hypocrite!" (probably not verbatim). He's criticizing the black community for trying to play victim all the time when they're also to blame. At the end of i and Mortal Man before Tupac comes on, he's talking about how blacks living in the ghettos need to learn to respect each other and unify.
>>54480227 >>54480248 Ok, I just finished the last track and I guess that kind of cleared it up, but I still kind of hate the idea of loving a culture based on race. I never go listen to classical music and whatever other genres "white people invented" and think, "Oh wow, white culture is so great", because that is stupid and extremely backwards thinking. I guess this is the problem I have with Kendricks views.
Because the entire genre is the same shit repeated ad nauseam. The same beats, the same themes, the same imagery. You saying that any of that has to do with race is racist more than saying "I don't like hip hop" is.
>>54480392 Jazz, hiphop and funk were born this century, born out of the very things talked about on TPaB. Classical and baroque music is from 1600-1700. Is a difference not expected? Classical music is not a part of white North American culture
Oh, they shouldn't be talking about the life they live? Or their personal struggles? Alright... This song isn't about the streets, it's simply about them liking a girl. Better? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48OYTEZQR9U
>>54480475 So like the opposite of those white apologists then? I figure that any smart person should be able to see past this way of thinking. >>54480507 That wasn't the point of me using classical music, I could have used a plethora of other genres that are fronted by white people.
Sounds obnoxious. Typical beat. Couldn't care less about them liking a girl.
If your personal struggles are that you drank too many 40s with your bros on the streets and ignored your loved ones, you need to shape the fuck up, get out of the city, and stop writing shitty rap songs.
>>54480644 reactionary def. "opposing political or social progress or reform."
black self luv and cultural appreciation is not necessarily or purely a response to oppression and societal hatred, these things work to deny self luv, which should be a natural state of all human beings, black pride is a vocal mvmt because they need to tackle the opposition in all its insidious forms but a black culture taking pride in itself is very natural and very beautiful regardless of context
its only used improperly by those who've misunderstod, which is fine, language develops, but its such a popular definition at this moment in time that i think its worth not using it for other meanings cos it just causes confusion n misunderstanding apart from a very obscure section of ppl who've learnt it "wrong", im sure u dont think kendrick lamar is reactionary by its popular definition
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