This a Fantano thread. Take that shit to /pol/ or /b/
>doesn't even make videos
the way you put it, it seems like you are implying that's a bad thing.
i'll take three paragraphs that go straigth to the point rather than videos with memes and jokes, thanks.
Ultraviolence (Interscope, 2014), produced by the Black Keys' Dan Auerbach, jettisoned the hip-hop beats and, by that single move, achieved a much deeper sense of sincerity. Cruel World is the ultimate cry of loneliness, with psychedelic overtones and reminiscent of Jim Steinman's teen melodramas (the melody spirals up in a manner similar to Bonnie Tyler's hit Total Eclipse Of The Heart). West Coast is a blues lament derailed by details such as a soprano surge and a vintage guitar twang, which appropriately segues into the slow-burning, martial, plantation chant Sad Girl, perhaps the peak of pathos. Shades Of Cool weaves its tenderness around a desperate melismatic yodel, a waltzing tempo and a stoic guitar solo (and well disguised is the influence of Janis Joplin on this structure). It gets even sadder than that, in the funereal Pretty When You Cry, whose grandiose finale borrows from Kate Bush and Pink Floyd. The rest is filler. As a five-song EP, this would have been a masterpiece.
He's right tho
>Any TMT reviewer
im not even a big RTJ fan but this is one of the worst reviews ive ever read in my entire life
ah, the good ol' game of pointing out specific scores.
fantano gave the following albums an 8 or more:
Cage the Elephant - Melophobia
TNGHT - TNGHT
Foxygen - We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic
hey, more than one can play that game, see?
Nice fucking try Anthony. Don't hate him because he's beautiful.
>Yeah, /mu/ likes me. They hate me, too. Meanwhile, you sound like you’d fit right in at /pol/. I’m sure there’s an Anti-Ferguson thread there you could cosign right now.
Love this response. People love to hate.
Would you get a feminist to review Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP?
Why did they make her of all people on the writing staff write the review?
Also since when has /mu/ been filled with tumblirte SJW. They're probably going to respond to this post with "go back to /pol/"
Tell me, which rating hurted your poopy?
Kid A ? NLDW? Richard d james?
>Would you get a feminist to review Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP?
Maybe? Are feminists excluded from having opinions? Should review sites only employ MRA writers?
I bet you think that RTJ2 review was an example of "censorship" too.
>Should review sites only employ MRA writers?
Yeah brah lets go from one extreme to the other.
How about hire some level headed writers to review shit on your fucking magazine to have some fucking credibility?
Well, I've always seem TMT as a fairly "alternative" music reviews site, and they seem to aim for fresh perspectives on music. In that sense that review was a "fresh" perspective because often music review sites get lost in all the cultural signifiers and language of hip-hop forgetting that it contains a lot of misogyny which they are usually against in other music. To not recognize that every once in a while would be hypocritical.
It's not like everyone railed against RTJ2 for this, it was practically a novelty review compared to all the other accolades.
When people object to these kinds of reviews I see that they usually argue that they are not "objective," but a review cannot possibly be objetive. This term really just means "the review takes into account things that aren't relevant to me as a listener." In which case you should probably seek a different review.
Whether someone is a good writer or not has nothing to do with their beliefs. Rap albums deserve feminist critique. That's part of being a serious art form.
Besides, don't your type complain about how feminists never attack hip hop? Now that one of those evil feminists has it's a huge problem.
So you're telling me feminists are so retarded they can't get something as transparently ironic as RTJ2 (which, ask either one of them on twitter and they'll tell you the album is the way it is on purpose).
I'm not crying about it, but let's not pretend GG isn't full of angry virgins. Otherwise no one gives a shit about your stupid fucking movement. So please don't turn this thread into this retarded nonsense. Grow the fuck up and get a job, no one gives a shit about videogames.
>Would you get a feminist to review Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP?
I really don't get what's the problem here. Any good reviewer is gonna pay attention to a broader context of a release. I don't even look at people as being X or non-X, it's kinda retarded cause it's about perspectives instead of persons. It's only certain readers that then construct "a feminist" out of a review cause the perspective bothers them so they got to moralize i.e. find someone guilty.
>of less value
A review does not have to be a purely utilitarian work, it can be a work of art on its own
Ironic misogyny is still misogyny... "oh I was pretending to be a misogynist!" gimme a break
>should not be allowed
There you go with that language. Why do people so often equate criticism to censorship? They are not the same. No one is calling for the censorship of El-P and Killer Mike.
Why not? Seriously, give me a reason why a written work by a human being commenting on a work of art cannot be, on its own, art.
If you don't get the context in which something is being said is not the work's fault, this is something I've yet to see a single feminist understand, if the message is stated by other analysts and sustained through things stated in the work in question then there's no excuse.
No, I'm not telling you anything but feminists should be able to critique hip hop. I don't know enough about RTJ2 to know if you're full of shit or not about this "transparently ironic" sexism. That said, I find that most "ironic" sexism is still sexist and I'm not sure a genre plagued with misogyny needs more "ironic" sexism.
That's great. I'm sure fans of Eminem would like it if Eminem wrote his own reviews and gave all his albums 10s. That would make for a terrible review though. Thankfully not all critique has to be written with the fans of the art in mind.
>yfw they are 2 sides of the same coin
Wish they would kill each other off
>mfw I can say what ever the fuck I want to who ever I want because I look Jewish
>mfw white people try to call me privileged and I tell them I'm gay and I had family die in the holocaust
>mfw they crumble and instantly starting apologizing
>mfw I'm not even jewish or gay
Because a review shouldn't have an artistic intent of its own, it defeats its purpose, are you really this stupid? I don't give a fuck if you want to make your English Literature major seem anything other than absolutely worthless, you don't let that permeate your assessment of a work of art.
lol, you should seriously take this to the staff of TMT and see what they think.
If you want strictly utilitarian, capsule reviews that talk about nothing outside of the album, what in the world are you doing browsing TMT and similar sites?
>I don't, I'm just angry about this thing that doesn't affect me
When your criticism is based on ignorance of even the most basic information about the album it's completely worthless
Of course you don't. you're an ignorant retard trying to talk about things you don't know about.
Because a review is applying practicality to your opinion.
Artistic license inherently has no practicality, so a review with being artistic as it's intent is practically worthless.
Yeah, your literary structure could be spotless and your articulation top of the fucking line but in the end it's about your fucking opinion and a practical recommendation on who you recommend it to.
A review isn't fucking poetry where you can abstract because people read reviews to be informed not 'inspired'.
>That's great. I'm sure fans of Eminem would like it if Eminem wrote his own reviews and gave all his albums 10s. That would make for a terrible review though. Thankfully not all critique has to be written with the fans of the art in mind.
I never implied that it has to be written by some eminem stan. I'm just saying that people who are into hip hop would value a person's opinion if it was rooted in knowledge of the artist as well as the genre as a whole.
Misogyny is a disgusting thing, i agree with you there anon. But to critique an album for "not having enough room for feminism" is fucking retarded because you could basically have the same critique for 90% of classic hip hop albums
why are people okay with like death metal and shit but when rappers portray fucked up shit, often the realities of violence they were surrounded by and shit, they get criticized the fuck out of
I fucking hate this fallacy, I can talk from a broad perspective about what is expected from reviews, if you're going to try to have any sort of artistic intent in a review it goes at odds with the reason that reviews exist in the first place, not to mention it's creatively bankrupt trying to portray artistic intent when reviewing anything. You stick to the facts pal.
Of course I don't what? What am I speaking of that I don't know about? I admitted that I don't know much about RTJ2 so I'm not talking about that album in particular. That said, there's no reason why any hip hop album good or bad shouldn't receive feminist critique.
Like seriously fuck
When your "feminist critique" is seriously so off-base that you don't even the simplest fucking shit
I mean, seriously.
some white kid writes a metal song about killing jesus in hell: "oh how creative!"
a black man writes a song reflecting the gang violence and misogyny he was surrounded by: "WOW THIS IS WHY WE NEED FEMINISM SO WE CAN GET RID OF MEN LIKE THESE"
A reviewer can choose to take the album for what it is or consider the background information. But on the album, is there any difference between someone playing a douchebag and being a douchebag? Aren't you supposed to be reviewing "just" the album anyway? Isn't that what you want?
You should read the Pitchfork Kid A review. Remember when P4K pulled stunts like that all the time? TMT is like that still. P4K has become more reined-in and utilitarian as the years passed and its readership grew. You may be more at home there.
One can discuss the purpose of a review for ages but really everyone has their own approach. On RYM you'll find strictly cut-and-dry reviews of albums as well as free-flowing abstract prose on childhood memories. You can choose whichever suits you best.
We are digressing from the topic a little. This review in particular wasn't even a particular flight of fancy. It was an approach to the album from a feminist perspective. The problem is simply that you don't consider that a valid perspective. But that is more your problem. This is not a violation of the nonexistent "music review rules" in your head.
That's nice, but you're making a fatal mistake in thinking that any feminist critique can't also be generally knowledgeable of the artist or genre. Why can't a feminist hip hop fan write a valid criticism of hip hop? Why can't one critique an album because it could also apply to "90%" of classic hip hop? Should someone ignore the anti-semetic overtones in Mel Gibson's films because "you could basically have the same critique" for a shit load of classic literature and art through the ages? That seems like such a poor defense.
Better yet, why does someone need intricate knowledge of hip hop to notice misogyny? It seems to be a common defense to me... "you just don't get it" but I'm not sure how much basis that has. Do you need to be a passionate fan of the Ku Klux Klan to write a book about the history of the Klan?
Let's say you're a historian, and you write some shit on the history of the Klan and it's just "THEY LYNCHED SOME NIGGERS THEN THEY LYNCHED SOME OTHER NIGGERS THEN THEY STOPPED BECAUSE CIVIL RIGHTS"
It will technically be correct, but NOBODY will say you're a good historian
I didn't write the TMT review. I've told you several times I have no opinion of RTJ2 yet you're posting these twitter screenshots as if you're refuting a non-existent position I've taken.
Bad practice according to whom? You? Evidently TMT does not have a problem with this practice and if you don't like that I'd suggest you stop reading that site. I don't think any art should be exempt from academic/social critique. I'd feel terrible thinking that we can't ever discuss the message behind music since it has an effect on our culture.
I doubt very many "supported" the riots. It was just inevitable. It's what happens when you are forced into the bottom with no way of expressing yourself without being marginalized.
I'm 100% serious, it's fucking ridiculous that you'd defend feminist critique (which isn't even a real form of critique) in the same paragraph you'd use violating anything as a figure of speech.
I can almost smell the hipocrisy from here.
My point is that you can know a lot about hip hop without being a fan of it. That's why I feel annoyed that you think reviews should be written to appeal to hip hop fans. You can be knowledgeable about a subject without being a huge fan of it and that might give you a different perspective.
Did you at some point read some Tumblr feminist say that using the word "violation" is potentially triggering or are you just making this whole thing up in your head?
Feminism has many schools and outlooks because it is a century-old school of thought, and there are many dumb persons on the internet who fancy themselves feminists.
However, to say that feminism is not a valid form of critique is to go against basically all of academia for the past half-century at least. Literature, film, music, drama, poetry are regularly critiqued from a feminist perspective.
Okay, but a book detailing the history of the Ku Klux Klan would at least attempt an impartial perspective and be extremely well-informed by necessity. A review is not the same thing.
Once again there is this need for objectivity coming from you where there is none. You know what an "objective" review would be like? A fact sheet of the album title, track list, producers, songwriting credits, and so on. That's what you want I guess?
All music does, it often represents aspects of our culture and can help to perpetuate it. I can't give you any exact examples because that's not really quantifiable. Surely you can appreciate that music does reflect the culture we live in.
That's why critiquing art in this way is not just picking on one artist, it's picking on a mentality that plagues society.
>Did you at some point read some Tumblr feminist say that using the word "violation" is potentially triggering or are you just making this whole thing up in your head?
What are you on about? It trivializes rape, get a fucking grip.
>Feminism has many schools and outlooks because it is a century-old school of thought
They can't even agree on their methodology, this shit is idiotic, it's a pseudo-stance since there's nothing holding it together other than a gynocentric approach to culture that is biased and even dismissive of other points of view pretty much every single time
>However, to say that feminism is not a valid form of critique is to go against basically all of academia for the past half-century at least. Literature, film, music, drama, poetry are regularly critiqued from a feminist perspective.
So we went from post-structuralism to this bullshit? Good riddance, no wonder nobody cares about making good fiction anymore, they just need to fill a diversity quota.
No. I didn't say that. Could you stop with the straw arguments? I said that criticism of art doesn't have to be written to appeal to fans of the art. My point is that feminist critique of hip hop can be valid regardless of whether the writer is a "fan" or not because that doesn't have anything to do with either their level of knowledge or their ability to understand why it appeals to people.
>P4K has become more reined-in and utilitarian as the years passed and its readership grew
Barely, I rely more on opinion on fucking discogs than a magazine.
Why are liberal cucks still shilling for the Ferguson "protestors" even after Eric Holder's DOJ reported that Darren Wilson dindu nuffin and that the "hands up don't shoot" meme was a product of runaway nigger imagination?
>judging a hip-hop album on the basis of "respecting women" by comparing a "country" synthpop album designed to appeal to women from one of the biggest female entertainers
Well, when you're arguing that you don't need intricate knowledge of hip-hop to criticize it, it makes you look like a retard, because it would be technically correct but superficial and worthless
That depends what the critique is. Do I need intricate knowledge of metal to criticize a metal song about white nationalism? No. Do I need intricate knowledge of metal to make a comment about metal as a whole? Yeah, that would be a good idea.