Any people having such a narrow and rigid point of view that his opinion about politics can be summed up by a word like "liberal", "conservative", "anarchist", "fascist", "communist", "right-wing", "left-wing", "center", "extremist" etc.
>>54590095 >Surely they know this is a place for like, above-average intelligence people right? >We're they just told we have cool memes and want to check it out or something? >We're they just told >We're they
>>54590239 The idea that homosexuality cannot be changed is a purely sociocultural construction. It's simply what happens when you conceive of homosexuality as a separate sexuality distinct from and comparable to heterosexuality, rather than simply an underdeveloped form of heterosexuality, which was common knowledge until society became perverted by a usage of language which they didn't understand.
The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual was initially descriptive. It started being used prescriptively 100% arbitrarily. No underlying scientific basis for doing so. Just an accident of history/language.
>>54590362 That's not a naturalistic fallacy. You're thinking of an appeal to nature. The naturalistic fallacy has nothing to do with 'nature', but rather the nature of an object, as in its philosophical essence. And what I said wasn't an appeal to nature. It wasn't simply saying homosexuality was wrong because it's unnatural. It's giving you actual content via comparison to show you exactly why its unnaturalness means also its wrongness.
If you accept homosexuality as natural, you must also accept those who eat shit as natural, something which you simply cannot do without making it obvious that you're just trying to be absurd and contrarian.
>>54590498 >that's probably why people put through conversion therapy come out so well, huh Yes because conversion therapy treats homosexuality as some mystified second state when in reality it's just a lesser state.
Also 'conversion therapy', or its historical analogue, has worked for millennia. It's only until up until recently that opposing social forces have complicated that original nonissue by putting gravity where it was not in the first place there; by telling people who are mentally ill that they have some sort of right to indulge in their mental illness at the cost of the economy of society because it's 'their' life and the society in which they live totally doesn't own them or anything.
You are society's bitch until you prove otherwise. Shouting about how much you love to suck cock isn't exactly successful in that capacity.
>>54590491 we're so developed we can convince ourselves that something is morally wrong even thought it isn't . sure being gay is "unnatural" but is there any inherent evil in it? just stop caring about it
>>54590569 >has worked for millennia. it has "worked" because, historically, the alternative to it working was being executed. the choice between "pretend to be 'cured' of my homosexuality" and "be stoned to death in town square" is a pretty easy one
>>54590595 That's a nonstarter of a point. Morality doesn't exist apart from that conviction anyway. Morality literally IS that conviction. So it's a self-defeating point to make to say that we can 'convince ourselves that something is morally wrong even though it isn't', because the same can be said for all moral statements, and so the 'even though it isn't' thing is self-cancelling.
There doesn't need to be 'inherent evil' in something in order for it to be wrong. All that's sufficient (cf. necessary, so no, not everything which is unnatural is wrong) for something to be wrong is that it's unnatural.
The idea of evil doesn't come into existence apart from emotions. It's not an objective thing like wrongness is. It's only some after the fact type of psychological experience based on something being wrong. So not everything which is wrong is also evil.
>>54590625 That's not the only alternative. Alternatives include submitting oneself to religion, being cured through faith. The only reason you say that people only 'pretended' to be cured is because you reject that faith at a basic level and therefore can't make any conclusion with it as that would violate your rejection. It's the socially gravitational option to say that it was just a case of pretending when that's about one of the weakest generalisations you could make about millions of different people throughout history.
Nobody is born to be literally and specifically homosexual. The only reason homosexuality would have biological predispositions genetically and hormonally is out of specific circumstances relative to certain evolutionary contexts. Those contexts are the exception to the rule. When you take the contexts which are the rule to the exception you see that homosexuality is simply not only infeasible, but also purely impossible. All of the 'no, but's that you could think of by default fall into the case of exception.
Homosexuality cannot exist in a state of absolute nature, only in a relative one.
>>54590712 That's because libertarians are ever more retarded than the worst liberals/conservatives on here. I'm more surprised that there aren't more libertarians because 4chan is full of retards. Now fuck off and go read Atlas Shrugged again. Leave the politics to the adults.
>>54590910 >spread bullshit >questioned, argued with >WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO CENSOR ME I GUESS YOU JUST CAN'T STAND THAT MY OPINION DIFFERS FROM YOURS HUH That's an incredibly fucking weak point even by 4chan standards mate.
>>54590998 There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
>>54590654 Harm has nothing to do with what's right and wrong. It's just a byproduct.
>>54590816 It is black and white, you just refuse truth because to accept truth about one thing would make you accept truths about yourself. Something which you have your reasons for not doing.
>>54590880 Using your sexuality in a directly unnatural way is not comparable to using your fingers and eyes and mind in an indirectly unnatural way.
When something is directly unnatural, like using your penis, something which is in sex supposed to go inside of a vagina, to fuck a man's sweaty arsehole, or eating shit which was excremented from your body, the literal opposite of eating, that is sufficient for it to be despicable, hatable. In fact if you don't hate things like that there's something deeply wrong with you as a human being.
Doing something only indirectly unnatural like using your digits for manual, digital tasks, or using your visual system to look at something, or using your mind to read or think, things which are all natural uses of such systems, for an ultimately, indirectly unnatural purpose, shitposting on 4chan, is not unnatural in the same way as is taking a cock in your asshole from another man.
So basically get fucked you dumb faggot. Stay mad that people have a literal and logical right to hate you.
>>54591036 I won't bother looking into where you found this ridiculous quote, but you might ACTUALLY be delusional if you believe left and right politics are more capable than libertarian principles in reinforcing independence and more in-touch with the "real world."
>>54591057 You post all this shit and respond to all this people but you fail to make a single compelling point. "It's unnatural because it makes me feel gross, I mean isn't it fucking gross? lol". Is it despicable to fuck a woman's sweaty, bacteria-infested asshole? If not, why a man's?
I'm not even gay faggot. I used to be a homophobe like you because my Dad raised me that way but then I grew up a little bit and eventually so did he.
>>54591057 >Harm has nothing to do with what's right and wrong so you're saying that, theoretically, something that does nothing but benefit those involved can be "wrong", while something that only harms all involved can be "right". how is that NOT ridiculous?
>>54590468 This is exactly the problem - why is 'natural' always presupposed as the be-all and end-all of desirability, even though natural is nothing but a buzzword for 'things which don't gross me out'? Everything is essentially natural insofar as it occurs in nature (as in, governed by the natural laws of the world and universe).
>>54591238 It is wrong to fuck a girl's ass rather than her pussy and if you favour the one over the other you're probably a latent homo (maybe not a closeted one, but a latent one), but not categorically wrong like homosexuality is.
If you think my reasoning doesn't go beyond 'it's wrong because it's lol gross' then I feel bad for you and the shitty life which must come from such low reading comprehension.
>>54591243 Because benefit in your case is relative. It doesn't actually benefit them and if they had any sense of what they were doing they would be faced with the enormity of the terribleness to it. Homosexuals are sort of comparable to serial killers specifically in that they really just have no sense of what they do and that's exactly what makes them what they are.
If something is harmful, chances are it's also wrong. But just because something doesn't seem harmful does not mean it's not wrong.
>>54591420 >Homosexuals are sort of comparable to serial killers specifically in that they really just have no sense of what they do and that's exactly what makes them what they are. holy shit, you're delusional. if this is a ruse, genuine props for being so dedicated to it. if not, maybe you should try going out and interacting with an actual person sometime
>>54591301 Libertarianism is anarchy for rich people and retarded poor/middle class right wingers who think that said rich people won't instantly rape them the second "big" government stops regulating corporations.
>>54591334 Natural means efficient. Natural does not mean simply that which exists in the universe, as that would make that which we already know to be unnatural, natural, and hence defeat the purpose of the word to begin with.
Homosexuality is inefficient, therefore it is unnatural, therefore it is wrong. We've known this since Aristotle. Anybody who argues with it is a mentally ill, compulsive contrarian, or somebody with no grasp of logic.
>>54591420 >It is wrong to fuck a girl's ass rather than her pussy Why. Is it wrong to not be dictated by evolution and primal urges every second of every day? I'm really struggling to see why you're so bothered by two sweaty guys rubbing up on each other and enjoying themselves in the privacy of a home.
I'd like to point out that if you're trolling it's pointless, my time is worth literally nothing.
>>54591546 >natural means efficient nobody told me this was one of those arguments where we change what words mean on the fly to support our faulty arguments! shit, i could have saved a lot of time replying
>>54591269 When did I say that? Obviously certain ideals and opinions will overlap. Generally speaking, I'd say libertarians side more with the left in terms of social policies and with the right when it comes to economics. I'm talking about the overall agenda of the Republican and Democratic parties and how they enforce codependency and are more out of touch with reality. Sure, a truly libertarian America will probably never happen, but that doesn't mean the principles are a "childish fantasy." If anything, I'd argue they're far more reasonable and reality-based than the left and the right. >>54591285 The core principle is freedom - whether it falls on the left or right of the spectrum shouldn't be a concern to true libertarians. Now, with big L Libertarians it kinda does because they're attempting to reinvent the GOP as the party for liberty. They're still far from being completely associated with the current idea of a "conservative."
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