I don't know if any of you people care, but I'm a black man and I'm going to explain to you why "The Powers that B" is actually just a much better album than "To Pimp a Butterfly".
The problem with Kendrick's album is simple: It's boring. He's actually just lecturing you in his nasally voice for over an hour. It's not even like he's trying to make some kind of work of art that illustrates the struggle of black people; he's just outright lecturing you about it, the lyricism on the album hardly requires any thought and its entirely straightforward in its message. The whole album is 'booboo' this, 'niggers' that, 'black power' this, 'white cultural appropriation' that. Nearly the entire album sticks on this one subject, barely if ever branching out.
If I wanted to learn about black history or modern day racial tensions, I'd read a book about the civil rights movement or go to a social studies class.
If I wanted to listen to jazz or funk, I've got Miles Davis, James Brown, Charles Mingus, Herbie Hancock and George Clinton (Kendrick's smartest play) for that.
And if I wanted to listen to a 2015 hip-hop album that's enjoyable to listen to and actually tries to push hip-hop as a genre while transcending racial boundaries, "The Powers that B" just dropped. In fact, the subject of racial tension is tackled in a much more amusing and Jocyean fashion on the track "Black Quarterback".
"To Pimp a Butterfly" is an album designed and marketed to be sold to white people. White people will listen to albums where rappers like Kendrick go on about the struggle of black people and how they were oppressed by whites for centuries, and they'll like it because they feel like talking about what a genius Kendrick is on Facebook and Twitter makes them feel more cultured.
Personally, I just don't see how you could actually think Kendrick's album is better unless you're just obsessed with social justice or something.
Fantano has shown on multiple occasions that he doesn't read into the lyrics of Death Grips at all. Kind of funny since that seems to be the entire basis of his reviews of other rap albums. The lyrics of Niggas on the Moon often reads like if James Joyce became a rapper in the 21st century or something.
My older brother used to tell me that when I was an 12 year old kid collecting Stones Throw Records albums, it doesn't mean anything besides that you my friend, are insecure. If you've ever been embarassed to have liked any music at any point in time of your life, maybe you should stop and reconsider why it is that you're listening to it. If you're listening to something just to fit in, you shouldn't be.
>I am mature enough to not be embarrassed of anything I did
That guy should try to learn something from you!
At least part of the song is about an encounter between a young black man and a cop.
>I don't like thinking for myself and just swallow whatever critics tell me to.
That's fantastic. I was hoping to have a discussion here with people who like to think about things.
>i'm a black man here to tell you why my taste is better than anyone elses
why thank you black man i really really value this opinion it is in fact OBJECTIVELY correct and you convinced me really well with saying X is more "boring" than Y. what a well formed argument
>being surprised that "Autistic Black Man: The Band" attracts autistic black listeners.
It's like you've read my mind OP. Easily the best thing I've read on /mu/ about either of these two albums.
The sort of white folk that would rate TPAB higher than TPTB are the sort of people who have a stunted and superficial understanding of art.
This is a lot like the Kendrik album but the music is way better
damn, you butchered syntax, logical thought, artistic interpretation and appreciation, creativity, and historical awareness. if you were in a plane youd be 9/11. if you were a virus you'd be ebola. if this thread were a bowl of soup, youd still be ebola. why are you trying to melt our insides, m8?
i dont think that really btfos jenny death, if anything it just shows why dg haters are so angry because as low as some of the scores are it still has more pre and post release hype than TPAB
It's cringey how obviously he said it in the reviews and then dubbed it over. It's hardly going to be considered racist if you say somethings name. Also he wrote niggas on the moon in the video review so why not just say NIGGA you whiteboy
you know, i'd normally disagree with you, but on another listen i think you're right. from a purely musical/instrumental standpoint, i think tpab is more my style, but i'm more of an old-school kind of guy anyways. from a cultural standpoint, and on terms of innovation, the powers that b is way ahead
Lyrics from Fantano's least favourite track.
>I'm so black quarterback throw off this app by his badge
>Blare my organ for juice spike blonde kinks on my boots
>Approach me licking his fur whining "I demand a word"
>Swine must be the all the way hatched hell yolk raining down his chest
>Clucking so fucking hard glance heartbeat through his vest
>So I'm like, "Go ahead, blood" but my mind's on my wrist
>Five minutes pass I'm a have to make you my piss
>Gimp just kept shaking so I had to braid him like this
>Comfort over freedom, pave a path of leisure have it all
>Freedom over comfort, give you back so much leisure
>Xeroxed man dressed in gauze spider silk and menopause
>Mustache showered with applause squished out packets like taco sauce
>Gather crowd laugh it off Mr. Zogged by your boss
>I'm so black quarterback, air it out, albino Black quarterback in all black he's so white, no I'm so
>Black quarterback in all black, albino
>If I wanted to listen to jazz or funk, I've got Miles Davis, James Brown, Charles Mingus, Herbie Hancock and George Clinton (Kendrick's smartest play) for that.
What a dumb criticism. Why would anyone who loves music limit themselves to six artists to a genre?
>If I wanted to learn about black history or modern day racial tensions, I'd read a book about the civil rights movement or go to a social studies class.
You don't see the value in tackling these issues in music or literature or film? Why do you hate art that examines history?
>but I'm a black man and I'm going to explain to you why
yeah because being black makes you an authority on what's good music
Lyrics from one of Fantano's favorite tracks on an album he gave a 10/10
>When you got the yams (What's the yams?)
>The yam is the power that be
>You can smell it when I'm walking down the street
>(Oh yes we can, oh yes we can)
>I can dig rapping, but a rapper with a ghost writer?
>What the fuck happened?
>(Oh no) I swore I wouldn't tell
>But most of y'all sharing bars like you got the bottom bunk in a two man cell
>(A two man cell?)
>Something's in the water (Something's in the water)
>And if I got a brown nose for some gold then I'd rather be a bum than a motherfuckin' baller
>"To Pimp a Butterfly" is an album designed and marketed to be sold to white people. White people will listen to albums where rappers like Kendrick go on about the struggle of black people and how they were oppressed by whites for centuries, and they'll like it because they feel like talking about what a genius Kendrick is on Facebook and Twitter makes them feel more cultured.
TPTB is an album designed for people who surf /mu/. White people on /mu/ will listen to DG releases like TPTB and they'll like it because they feel like making memes and spamming meme-worthy lyrics substitutes for the sort of discussion people have over other albums and artists.
That's 6 out of many hundreds of artists who can do what Kendrick did better than he did. And I'm saying that if you're going to make music about history, you should use some artfulness about it rather than just lecturing with a nasally voice about it. It gets boring hearing about black people non-stop through the album.
DG's first disc has the word 'niggas' in the title and yet they don't use it once on the whole double lp. Kendrick's album uses it seemingly hundreds of times to the point where I get tired of it. And somehow Ride can say 'Up My Sleeves' 30x in a row and I don't mind because it sounds good on the track.
you're cherry picking, i literally compared one verse to another (from a track that's one of fantano's favorites on the album, to a track that was fantano's least favorite on another album)
Yes, and I'm saying that while Kendrick did something I remembering The Roots and Jurassic 5 doing when I was 12, Death Grips have basically created a hip-hop album that sounds brand new and takes influences from a ton of places, while still sounding like none of them in the end. PtB is fresh as fuck, very few albums are sonically similar. And it has some incredible lyrics at some points and just ridiculous and catchy hooks at others.
PtB is just way more fun to listen to for me. I've listened to every track of TPaB a few times, but I can't even make it through the whole album in one sitting. It just tires me out. On the other hand, I've been listening to the whole double lp all the way through a ton of times over the week.
>calls someone autistic
go back to watching snipars and browsing /b/
tell snipars to fuck himself for further infecting death grips fanbase.
>And I'm saying that if you're going to make music about history, you should use some artfulness about it rather than just lecturing with a nasally voice about it.
No, you're backtracking because you realize you said something silly. Anyway, I don't find Kendrick any more preachy or incessant than I find DG to be edgy or obscurantist.
>That's 6 out of many hundreds of artists who can do what Kendrick did better than he did.
Not even most of the people you've listed are really rappers. Kendrick didn't make a jazz or funk album. He made a jazz and funk influenced rap album. We have to appraise the album on its own terms.
i dont understand anything you said m8
>Indivisible god lobster laser
>shine the beam on a space heater
>industry face eater
>close the blinds
Wow man Death Grips is like so deep you just aren't a smart enough listener to understand the deep messages man
>uses the word Joycean multiple times without going into detail
Please stop talking out of your arse
You're an idiot if all you took from the album was a 'lecture' about the black struggle, the album is an affirmation of self-value even in the face of both personal hypocrisy and oppressive/'pimping' systems. Race is simply the foundation on which Kendrick explores the idea
>but I'm a black man and I'm going to explain to you
I seriously loathe motherfuckers like you. I say this as a black guy, not on some "hey bro, leave white people alone man their kewl, post-racial" but because you act as through your input is valid enough to discredit why someone should like something.
TL;DR you're a faggot, and your white girlfriend is fat.
See >>54606174, >>54605593 and >>54605958 for what I'm talking about comparing what DG did to Kendrick's. TPaB has some nice jams like King Kunta, Alright, Blacker the Berry or i (bogged down by Kendrick lecturing again, and on Mortal Man) but overall a lot of the album sounds preachy and more like a homage to older artists he has learned from. Which isn't really bad, TPaB has solid tracks, but it lacks originality in comparison.
I don't know. Powers is obviously the better album (especially NotM) but I don't see how people can write off stuff like 'How much a dollar cost' or 'u' as just "preaching to white guilt". A lot of it is more introspective of his own faults rather than lecturing about other people's.
Without even looking at messages or whatever, Kendrick's album is cool because of the way it gradually reveals its story (or whatever) over the course if the album. I don't think it lacks in creativity at all, it's a great album that does some original stuff. That being said, DG is just way ahead of everyone. I mean that sincerely, I don't think they can be touched after this latest release. Both albums are great though, and deserve to be listened to and taken seriously.
Why is everyone saying Kendrick's new album is all "fuck whitey"? Theres more about the hypocrisy of black people than there is about the mistreatment of them. It's a great album. That being said The Powers That B is lightyears ahead of it by every means.
I'm a black man and you're another idiot that didn't listen to the album and assume it's all about black politics, race war etc.
It is true that white people eat this shit up though.
Fucking cheers agreed. Every song off TPTB has so much meat on its bones. The lyrics are dense and MC Ride is so clearly an educated motherfucker. He's a master of subtlety, which is hilarious, because DG has to be one of the most abrasive groups out right now.
The fact that he's black matters to the discussion of race, it's not about his taste in music.
You're polite, that comment didn't even deserve a response.
>someone black acts like a normal human being instead of a stereotypical nigger
>HURR UNCLE TOM WHY AREN'T YOU A "TRUE" BLACK PERSON, HUH
Blacks are more racist than any other race. They literally accuse each other "acting white," as if each race is supposed to act a certain way. How is that not extremely fucking racist?
>They literally accuse each other "acting white,"
As a black person who went to a minority-majority school, you're fucking retarded.
I've never been accused of acting white
Because he's a fucking pussy. If ANYONE takes offense towards VERBAL WORDS (nothing more than vibrating vocal chords and maneuvering of tongue/mouth), then they are the kind of person that looks for ANY reason to act like a self-righteous little shit.
It's literally right in front of your face, just because you haven't experienced it in your life doesn't mean it happens all the fucking time. How have you NEVER seen or heard someone being called an oreo, uncle tom, etc. ?