I actually think FlyLo is more interesting/better than Dilla—except Dilla's considered to be the "King of Beats" and all that. But is there a release by Dilla as good and cohesive as, say, You're Dead?
Also, I happen to be a bit of a FlyLo fanboy, whereas I don't know enough about J Dilla. Any thoughts on this?
Using You're Dead as an example is pretty bad.
Donuts is more cohesive than most of FlyLo's albums, that doesn't mean they're not cohesive though. FlyLo is probably a better beat producer and definitely a better rapper though.
i think j dilla is fucking boring tbh. total elevator music.
plus i live in the detroit area so i hate it when hipster DJs come here and play some dilla beat no one has ever heard and hes like "DETROIT...YEAH J DILLA...WOO" and literally no one has ever heard the beat before because no one gives a shit about j dilla here.
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Really? How so? (I do mean "conceptually cohesive", not just "musically cohesive"—the whole You're Dead! album is a sonic exploration on Death that also distinctly sounds different from his previous albums)
There wouldn't be a FlyLo without Dilla paving the way and he has acknowledged that. But Cosmogramma is one of my favorite records ever. So much content packed into it and the fact that Steven is related to Coltrane adds a layer to his music
J Dilla is highly regarded for two reasons: he played the drums live on his MPC 3000, and because he worked till he dropped. FlyLo does the more conventional programmed approach to percussion which I imagine is a great advantage over live drumming towards making wonky beats. For some silly reason people tend to admire the physical skill aspect of music making, though. It's an external consideration and shouldn't matter, like how Dilla is romanticized as producing on his deathbed as if he were Mozart composing his requiem, but it does matter.
I think they're on par with each other, but the difference is JD only has Donuts while FlyLo is still churning out albums worth of JD quality level beats.
what a coincidence i just relistened cosmogramma and i literally cried through the whole thing, i'm very sure about it being his masterpiece now
i love dilla and flylo equally, but you can't compare them like that when one would not exist without the other
but yeah you could compare prefuse 73, who is also a big influence on flylo, and dilla
Yeah, that's very clear—but just because someone came before doesn't mean that person's better. You wouldn't have rock 'n' roll without Chuck Berry, but that doesn't mean Berry is better than Jimi Hendrix, or something (though that's a different discussion altogether).
> FlyLo does the more conventional programmed approach to percussion
He called live drummers to his studio, at least for You're Dead!…so that could count against FlyLo, in a sense, though I don't necessarily think it has to.
> JD only has Donuts
Doesn't Dilla have a bunch of albums out with Slum Village, along with a bunch of tracks released as other compilations (like the King of Beats comp that's out now)?
I don't think they're really in the same lane. Maybe when Flylo started out but definitely not anymore. It's not really fair to compare them either because Dilla's sound kept growing throughout his career and we don't know what he would be doing at this point.
Madlib experiments more I guess but I dont know. I only like about half of his beats while with Dilla I can put on almost anything.
Dilla had most of the best beats on Champion Sound too imo.
It's weird how Dilla only made Donuts but I somehow have over 800 tracks just tagged as 'J Dilla' and probably more than that for other artists.
The question was about cohesiveness as well.
this is a stupid comparison
you realize you are comparing two different generations
dilla smoked weed and pushed buttons on his mpc in the 90s + made hip-hop
flying lotus is a laptop electronic producer in the 2010s (20 yrs later) with just about any musician willing to work with him
not sure how you can compare the foundation of ~wonky~ beats to a full out modern jazz record
Pete used to be Dilla's favorite producer coming up but it ended up the other way around.
>dilla smoked weed and pushed buttons on his mpc in the 90s + made hip-hop
you sound knowledgable
That's debatable though. Dilla was really versatile as well and imo mastered the sounds he explored while Madlib is more all over the place and some of it is just boring loops/mixes.
i don't like the new shit he's been making recently, I preferred his beat stuff like Los Angeles and 1983 way more. Not that everything following Cosmogramma is bad at all but it's just a bit too layered for my taste. Also, i've never liked how he purposely panders to stoners and always talks about how much drugs he's done
lol nice one dude
yeah of course. I just feel half of the shit he's been releasing lately, the medicine shows and whatever the other series was called were really forgettable. A lot of it was just him straight up mixing too, not making beats.
Not that Dilla's random beat tapes aren't forgettable but those were never released officially so I feel it's different.
the Madlib stuff I love is usually when he sticks to his signature sound.
I am barely getting into beats and such, but I definitely see why Dilla is the most admired. There is also the post mortem effect, but Dilla made beats that were fun to groove to. Pete Rock also made some awesome beats, but they are a bit more simplistic (at least from what i've heard.) Can anyone rec some good producers? I've recently taken a liking to Dilla, Pete, FlyLo, Rashad, Madlib, and DOOM as a prod, etc. Mostly the obvious.
Has Madlib's music progressed very much? Despite his experimental sound collage type things he seems to make beats as if it were a 9-to-5 job with a routine procedure. Consummate professional though he may be, you still have a fairly good idea what to expect out of him. FlyLo is a bit more surprising.
K-Def, Damu the Fudgemunk, DJ Krush and Knxwledge are some of my favorites.
He tries a lot of different things but usually nobody really cares until he goes back to his old style like on Pinata.
Knxwledge is also really good. I also listened to Entroducing for the first time like last week and found it to be meh. Any other Shadow worth a listen or is that his best? Is there maybe a chart for this genre?
sounds like DJ Quik to me.
this Dilla beat always reminds me of the type of shit Pete was doing in the early 00s when he went away from jazz samples.
Nujabes was born on the same day as Dilla, and similarly passed away early. DJ Okawari sounds like Nujabes as well, so you might enjoy his stuff.
Producers are more like studio musicians building tracks from the ground up, whereas jazz musicians prize jamming and improvisation a lot more, so there are bound to be differences in what's emphasized.
That being said, did FlyLo ever actually do that? That's pretty hilarious, if he did.
But Dilla has actually produced classic songs , Flyo hasn't
I think You're Dead! kind of wishes it were a Jay Dee album. If you dig FlyLo more than Dilla. I mean. Whatever. To each their own. But I can't repress the urge to say that one is clearly better than the other. Maybe it's only clear to me because I've been listening to them both for so long. Especially Dilla. I don't know. Given time, you might see it the same way. You might not. Whatever.
Knxwledge discography is full of stuff like that if you want some more. His 'Anthology' release is a good place to start.
I've been playing this one on repeat today.
Donuts as a work itself is a heartfelt goodbye from Dilla on his deathbed. The samples tie together to form a sort of gestalt meaning to put forth this intention, while individually the songs hold their own meaning, and individually the samples hold their own history.
Basically Donuts simultaneously works cohesively as well as individually, whereas You're Dead only works as a whole piece with a handful of songs standing on their own.
However, Dilla really only has Donuts as a standout piece where FlyLo has several albums under his belt that form a coherent narrative.
He's got like 50 tapes out and I can honestly say I like 90% of it. He just recently blew up a bit because Kendrick used one of his old beats on his new album.
I would argue that FlyLo has. Stuff from Cosmogramma, like "Clock Catcher" and "Zodiac Shit", the majority of UTQC, and the first four tracks of YD and "Moment Of Hesitation" could all be considered classic pieces—though ultimately, time will tell. I'm skipping over "Never Catch Me" mainly because, although it's a really nice song, it's a bit of a cop-out to call it a producer's "classic song", when it's one of the few really pop cuts FlyLo has made.
>Dilla really only has Donuts as a standout piece
you reek of p4k
Dilla has produced hip hop classics since for decades
Oh, I'm sure of that. But just because someone's humble doesn't mean his opinion about himself or his work is correct.
I'd say in response that FlyLo's career is still only in the beginning stages. Also, you say "decades"…but Fan-Tas-Tic (Vol. 1) was released in '97, and Dilla passed away in '06. I don't know about all his unreleased stuff, but that's not nearly "decades" of classics. Still, his work is impressive, that I won't deny.