>>54747727 That is exactly what they are doing. Im a liberal, do you think government officials care about a shitty indie rock band? The only affect of this is some fucktards gaining "respect" for the bands actions, and the fans missing out.
That sounds like a terrible way to handle things. Hell, couldn't they just have raised the issue AT the show? or given the money they made with it to an organisation that strives to fight against laws like these? This announcement just reeks of twitter credmongering to me.
Religious freedom restoration act aimed to "protect" religious rights of for-profit business, effectively giving them the right to exclude serving people based on religious views, mostly anti-homosexual in this case. Differs from other states because sexual orientation is not protected in Indiana at all. Read more about it at http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/what-makes-indianas-religious-freedom-law-different/388997/ .
As a Hoosier and Wilco fan, I support them in this, and I hope more musicians and businesses follow suit. I usually have to go up to Chicago for shows anyway, because not a lot of musicians come to Indiana..
>>54748956 >I define what constitutes bigotry They denied their fans service because they believe something different than what some of their fans may believe if they voted. This is what the law allows them to do and why it was introduced/passed, it's ridiculous for them to speak out against it. If they wanted to show that they think people should be forced to serve someone despite a difference in beliefs they should play the show.
It puts pressure on a repeal, like this happened in Arizona. The NFL said they were thinking of moving the Super Bowl because it passed there but Jan Brewer veto'd it under pressure from business. Gencon has already stated that they will probably move, and that's ~$50 million for Indianapolis every year. Peoples' voices don't speak, but money does.
Also, there is no way for citizens to propose an amendment to state law in Indiana.
>>54749375 Instead of actively doing something to raise awareness of the issue, they're passively punishing fans. A lot of whom are probably vehemently against the new law.
>>54749393 That's the NFL not throwing one of the largest commercial events in the world in a place partially owned by that official as opposed to some random venue that won't have a semi-relevant indie band for a night.
>>54749330 1. Wilco is a not a business 2. Wilco is not denying anyone service based on a religious belief 3. This isn't why that law was passed 4. Wilco is not denying performance to anyone based on religion/race/sexuality/gender/etc. Wilco is refusing to perform at a venue. 5. Rejecting bigotry is not bigotry 6. This is one of the dumbest posts I've read on /mu/ in a long time.
>>54749495 Accept they've clearly raised awareness of the issue. We're talking about it here and Wilco are big enough that people will listen. If more and more people/businesses boycott the state it'll put pressure on the state to overturn a very terrible law.
>>54747359 I love how the Conservative reaction is always "let the free markets sort it out" until the markets actually start sorting things out. Major corporations, small businesses, conventions, and entertainment acts all are reacting to the "religious freedom" law by taking their business elsewhere. They have every right to. Maybe other people will double down on Indiana out of support, but so far I haven't seen anything but backlash.
>>54749531 You seem to think that bigotry equates to whatever offends you, a random 16 year old white person. Bigotry is treating someone with certain beliefs differently because of your own beliefs, which is exactly what Wilco is doing.
>1. Wilco is a not a business They offer a service in exchange for money, that would be a business my friend >2. Wilco is not denying anyone service based on a religious belief Yes, that is exactly what they are doing >3. This isn't why that law was passed But it is, it allows people to deny service based on a difference of belief, like what Wilco is doing >4. Wilco is not denying performance to anyone based on religion/race/sexuality/gender/etc. Except for their Indiana fans that planned on seeing the show >5. Rejecting bigotry is not bigotry "one kind of bigotry is OK because it doesn't offend me"
Everything you posted is not only wrong, but contradicts itself and makes you come across as extremely narrow minded.
>>54749677 >They offer a service in exchange for money, that would be a business my friend It's OK for businesses to close for one day. >Yes, that is exactly what they are doing Anyone can go see a different Wilco show. >Except for their Indiana fans that planned on seeing the show See >>54749425
>>54749639 I was aware the moment I heard about the abysmal law a couple days ago. I'm not saying that everyone has the same access to information as me and that everyone is aware when I am, but sometimes awareness building "activism" takes the form of pacifism.
>>54749728 >It's OK for businesses to close for one day. >jewish man walks up to your establishment >lock the door >"sorry we are closed for 24 hours" >"it's ok though because we let you shop here once 2 years ago"
>>54749746 LOL but they are you stupid faggot. See >>54749250 >>54749677 >>54749330 as well as the outburst of butthurt reactions on facebook about how evil Wilco and any other group/business/organization participating in the boycott is.
>>54749811 >Zero. Your opinion is not really relevant then >>54749825 >>54749825 >implying this business owes you the right to stay open for as long as you want. Not how it works. Just don't shop there if you don't like it.
>>54749859 How do you construe my posts as arguing that Wilco shouldn't be boycotting the show? They can, because there was a law passed that allows people to refuse service based on differences in belief. I am saying that it's extremely hypocritical for them to do EXACTLY what the law they have an issue with allows them to do.
>>54749677 >Bigotry is treating someone with certain beliefs differently because of your own beliefs Um not really. By this extremely liberal definition any disagreement is bigotry. Hell, you're bigoted against me since you're "treating me differently" for having my own "beliefs." :^)
>They offer a service in exchange for money, that would be a business my friend They're entertainers dipshit.
>Yes, that is exactly what they are doing Really? Odd. I don't remember ever seeing them barring entrance from certain religious groups to their shows. Cancelling a show denies that service to everyone, not just whatever they are protesting against. No one would care about this law if it allowed businesses to close up shop because they don't like that gay people exist. In fact they can already do that if they'd like.
>Except for their Indiana fans that planned on seeing the show >based on religion/race/sexuality/gender/etc. >based on Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
>"one kind of bigotry is OK because it doesn't offend me" "stop being intolerant to my intolerance!" -every dishonest bigoted asshole ever
People saying shit like this when Indiana has a voter turnout of 30% - http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2014_General_Election_Turnout_Report.pdf . People here have everything to do with it, especially young people, because none of them voted.
>>54749925 I support the right of the free markets to sort things out. I never said how I feel about faggots like you.
>>54749935 And I am saying you are either mad as fuck that Wilco has decided they don't want to bring their show and the economic activity that comes with it to Indiana and/or you have decided to defend that state's new religious freedom law. Either way you are a tremendous faggot.
If you support Wilco then you support the legislation as well clearly. In this thread I learned it's ok to not serve a black person at your store as long as there's another store the next state over that sells the same thing, or if you served him once a few years ago.
>>54749935 >I am saying that it's extremely hypocritical for them to do EXACTLY what the law they have an issue with allows them to do. Oh what law are they violating that says they have to play the show?
>>54750105 In this thread I learned that this anon can't into logic and is really terrible at analogies. It's more like it's okay to not serve a black person as long as you don't serve anyone else, which is what Wilco is doing.
>>54750295 >If you want to be bigoted in your business then you can enjoy commercial suicide. Although I agree with this, I have no problem with making that sort of discrimination illegal. A lot liberal laws are based on intrusive government interference (tax people who don't got, etc.) and this is not one of them.
>>54750443 >A lot liberal laws are based on intrusive government interference (tax people who don't got, etc.) and this is not one of them.
It's more of a gray area for me. Many of these laws were passed when the prevailing attitudes of the day were discriminatory, so it was not as simple as someone across the street changing their policy in order to both accommodate and gain an edge over their competition.
As far as I see it, times have changed and there is simply no need for having discrimination laws, at least in this very particular context.
>>54749531 >1. Wilco is a not a business Stopped reading there. They most certainly are. They provide a service in exchange for money. On top of that, many (nearly all) commercial artists establish themselves as a corporation or LLC in order to protect their personal assets and reduce personal liability. On top of operating like a business they are likely a legally established business. Any artist that doesn't do this is fucking retarded.
>>54749941 >They're entertainers dipshit. Entertainment for profit is a business, dipshit. They have employees and sell merchandise on top of the "service" they provide. They are 100% a business.
>>54750688 >It's more of a gray area for me. Many of these laws were passed when the prevailing attitudes of the day were discriminatory, so it was not as simple as someone across the street changing their policy in order to both accommodate and gain an edge over their competition. >As far as I see it, times have changed and there is simply no need for having discrimination laws, at least in this very particular context. The issue is the fact that this law actively allows for a certain type of discrimination. Liberals and LGBT people were likely not shopping at those places anyway, but the fact that it's legal for the LGBT people to be denied service is wrong by any and every stretch of the imagination.
Horrendous law, but I'm still now down with the way Wilco is protesting it. On the other hand, at least they're doing something.
>>54750881 I think they should use the money for that show to help out the LGBT community in some way. It'd be for a good cause, fans would see the band they paid to see and it'd be a middle finger to that law.
>>54751424 It's annoying that homophobia has now been seen as Christianity's analog, but you're right. Aren't there only a handful of states that still outlaw gay marriage though? If so, that'll change before the end of the decade hopefully.
>>54751586 You'd be able to raise more money by publicly drawing attention to the issue. There are more people around the country willing to help raise money that the few people who would have seen Wilco in Indiana
>>54747729 Man I live in Arizona, and great bands didn't come here for a long time because we passed a law allowing police to pull over people for being brown. It sucks, but it's the right thing to do. Basic human rights are more important than being able to see a band you like in the state you live in. If you live in Indiana, just drive to a Chicago show or something.
>>54747359 Not to get /pol/ in here, but I don't even see what the big issue with this bill is. No court of law would ever let a business discriminate against someone based upon their sexual orientation. Every case that has ever been brought before a court regarding RFRA laws ever has upheld that precedent. This whole thing got overblown.
>>54751659 Unless you're a black (like me) or a homosexual person, leave it. It refers to people who represent them in a government capacity and not in a way that dehumanizes them like "gays" and "blacks" do.
>>54747359 Whatever happened to liberals? Why don't they literally 'fight' for their agenda like they did 50 years ago anymore? Opting out of a show because you disagree with a new law the state passed is cowardly, as if any right-wing conservative Bible-thumping homophobe will show up at a Wilco concert of all things.
Here's what I suggest, Tweedy.
I personally don't share your views, but play there on May 7 like its your last show. Play loud, make a statement, cover some Elton John and Magnetic Fields songs. Kiss one of your male bandmates for purely reactionary (not really romantic) purposes like how Kurt Cobain did on SNL. And if you do get arrested for breaking this new law, you've done good. Because people will start talking about the night Wilco got arrested in Indiana for expressing free speech, and they'll give you what you want. There will be more opposition to that odious measure you speak of, and you'll eventually win in Obama's America.
Just don't go too over-the-top on the 7th. We don't want another Pussy Riot.
>>54751872 I assume that it's more of a boycott. Like a statement. This move makes a completely different statement than doing a big gay fundraiser. We have a right to not tolerate such out-right intolerance.
>>54751923 >No, it isn't. It's doing the exact opposite. If you are suggesting the perform in a state which legally allows for discrimination, then no, that's definitely working in a system of intolerance. >Are you also implying that bands that do perform there are homophobia enablers? No, just enabling laws that promote intolerance. Nice strawman though. >>54751930 Read above.
>>54752160 >If you are suggesting the perform in a state which legally allows for discrimination, then no, that's definitely working in a system of intolerance. And yet they're playing in states that outright ban gay marriage. It's a well intentioned publicity stunt, but one nonetheless.
>No, just enabling laws that promote intolerance. Nice strawman though. Your version of activism is doing nothing which is quite literally the antithesis of it. Unless it's in the same realm as Rosa Park's refusal to move or if Fender came out as anti-Semitic, refusing to use their instruments, "boycotting" is inactivity for posturing's sake.
>>54752160 You're still not saying how playing in the state would promote intolerance. Proponents of the bill aren't gaining from anything and the word about the bill is easily spread during the concert while also raising money for the lgbt community to combat the legislation.
>>54752129 You do make some good points. Some sort of gay rock benefit in Indiana sound like a good idea, but who knows how successful it'd be? It could be a terrible flop as well. All I know is that if it was just a regular Wilco show, and I was Tweedy, looking out at the crowd and wondering if I'm playing to a room of prejudice cuntflaps would throw me off my game.
>>54752254 >gay marriage Oh is that the issue at hand?
It's not. >Your version of activism is doing nothing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott >>54752435 >the word about the bill is easily spread during the concert It's even easier spread if Wilco boycotts an entire state, while stating it on twitter. They are speaking to millions of people all over the world, rather than thousands in Indiana.
Why can't liberals just fight for better wages and rights for workers, and a more equitable economy, instead of whether or not fags can buy wedding cakes or trannies can use whatever restroom they want?
All of this identity politics shit is just a distraction from what actually matters.
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