math rock/core, noise rock, post-hardcore, emo, etc. general.
share what you're listening to. share charts. discuss. rec stuff.
pic related has been the soundtrack of my day.
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That's a lot of genres for one general
This is what I rec
Imagine Hella but like 40 times as chaotic
I just can't get into Hella.
It seems like the drum track and other instrument tracks are permanently mismatched. And not in a strange timesig way, but like literally the tracks are always offbeat.
I've played crazy shit that constantly changes timesigs in base3 sigs, like 5/8 to 7/8 to 5/8 and other strange combos measure to measure including groupings of 3-2-3, 2-2-3, and shit like that, so it's not just me not 'getting' the timesig, it's literally offbeat for me.
And yes, I enjoyed American Football, and was easily able to get into it. So I'm not sure what the deal is with the Hella! stuff.
That's kinda the style they're going for though. This is gonna sound totally pretentious and douchey but I think they have the ability to play in time and synchronized, they just have a desire to give the music a loose tempo feel and play it in a way that's almost rushed and sloppy. I dunno the style definitely isn't for everyone and I can definitely see why a drummer wouldn't like them. Coming from someone who plays guitar, piano, and some drums, I think the style is very interesting to listen to. The performances are great.
They're even more offbeat live lol. There's an interview in one of their concert films where they talk about "playing sloppily" and "playing how you want to play". It's part of the sonic experience, the compositions aren't meant for finesse. Kinda like how punk bands don't give a shit about being a little bit out of tune.
Just to clarify, I'm not a drummer lol. I play saxophone and piano, but no drums yet. And I seriously admire Hill as a drummer, because in any setting he's fucking great.
Not going to lie, what you're saying makes sense, but that type of style just isn't quite for me I guess. When it comes to synchronization and timing I prefer for there to only be a slight relaxation with certain genres, such as Jazz and similar stuff where a relaxed precision is part of the style and playing mathematically isn't really the goal as much as playing musically. Maybe after some more playing in different settings I'll be better able to appreciate what they're doing, but right now I'm just not feeling it.
But hey, if you think it's interesting, that's all that matters.
All good man, I can see where the confusion would come from, with me talking about drumming and then talking about playing.
So to clarify, since I haven't listened to much math stuff other than AF (just getting into it now), is the Hella! style part of math or just their personal trademark?
Definitely a trademark (Zach has even stated he dislikes the term "math rock"), though there are a bunch of different styles within the genre. It's sometimes hard to define it since people will sometimes call Slint or Drive Like Jehu math rock and others would call them hardcore or post hardcore or whatever. Thus these /math/ threads cater to pretty much anything that ends up getting called "math rock" which could be heavier bands like Drive Like Jehu or more melodic math stuff like This Town Needs Guns.
Song of the year incoming.
>dat odd structure
>dat space feel