depends If the bassist also sings (which is quite common) then no If the bassist is a girl, then no Basically, the bassist stands out the least in a rock band because they don't have solos e.t.c. and a lot of norms can't distinguish between the sound of the bass and the guitar, so they assume it's all done by guitar Guitarist here, people always tell me how thick my sound is, but it mostly due to how tight the bassist is with me.
In a lot of small cities, it's difficult to find a real bass player. That's why most small bands will take the first alcoholic they find in the local bar, give him a bass and ask him to play root notes.
But in civilized areas bass players can be normal people too.
>>54913617 I can feel that. I play bass in an emo band and I've never really thought of myself a loser, band-wise. I'm not the best musician, but I've always felt kind of passively about bass but loved what I added.
>>54913649 Well, in bands with guitars doing more spaced out guitars (if by emo you mean midwest stuff) the bass is more noticeable, people will actually see you do stuff and hear it. In my old band from back in school it was block chooooorrrddsss and the bass just did roots.
Jazz is a whole different story. The guitarist is expendable. It's the frills, the adornment to the rhythm section. It sits in the range where the horns sit, so you often get drowned out. The bass and piano are ESSENTIAL for the feel of the songs, the guitar does funky non essential shit In a big band rhythm section: Drums > Piano = Bass >>>>>>>> Guitar I still get guitar solos though, which is funny
Only to plebs. Anyone who has ever played in a halfway decent band understands how vital a good bassist is. They never get attention, but bassists make the guitarist and singer sound good. Guitarists and singers are really the most superfluous part of a rock band, they just add frill to the foundation that the drummer and bassist lay down.
>>54913789 The fact drums and bass lay a foundation hardly makes the guitars superfluous There's a difference between understanding the significance of the D&B in a band, to blowing them out of proportion. The guitar is the melody, the harmony, the chords whatever, and is just as significant as the others, determining tonality and mood. Hell yeah, the bass is important, but you're silly if you think the singers and guitarists are 'superfluous'
>>54913929 EXACTLY therefore calling anything superior to the other is silly. It does depend on the style of music, Pig Destroyer did perfectly well without a bassist for ages, and many bands don't have vocalists
>>54913941 >>54913941 Most people are such plebs it's unbelievable. You have no idea how many times I've been asked "so what's the difference between bass and guitar". But yeah most of them can't even tell the difference between a guitar part and a bass part and just assume that the bass is inaudible.
>>54913941 It's mostly ignorant guitarists, who assume that just because they play guitar means they would be ace at bass too. I was rhythm guitar in my band, and I had to do all the theory shit with the bassist and write the songs, and the lead guitar would put some tacky melody over it and do a solo which probably involved tapping at some point. He would constantly mock the bassist, saying how "he doesn't have to play chords" and it even got to the point where he was digging at me because I was 'just' rhythm. So it's dickhead guitarists mainly
>>54913978 >>54913978 I'm guessing because they grow up idolizing people like Keith Moon. Out of the drummers I've played with, the only ones who weren't druggies/alcoholics were church players or session drummers.
I always thought the sheer amount of volume and kinetic movement involved attracts a certain kind of personality, although I couldn't really explain it very well.
This. There is no reason for a live drummer anymore other than "muh vintage feels." A drum machine is more precise, takes up far less space, is less expensive, and can play more intricate drum parts and faster than is humanly possible. I can make a 400bpm beat that would require 6 limbs if I want to. Drummers are the live music equivalent of vinyl DJ's. They're pissed off and try to demean new technology because because they spent their life practicing something that is now obsolete.
>>54914052 Always wondered this myself, then you'd have a bass that can play more complex stuff.
>>54914160 Because you can't improvise with a drum machine as you can with a drummer, because drum machines are shit for certain genres, etc. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love drum machines but they can't always replace a drummer. Plus, you can fuse vintage drumming with technologies for some interesting results (sort of what Zach Hill does in DG).
Also, an octave pedal wouldn't sound as thick and warm as a bass. Double also, you can always buy a 6-string bass if you want complexity.
>>54914160 >A drum machine is more precise, takes up far less space, is less expensive, and can play more intricate drum parts and faster than is humanly possible. you could say the same thing abouth bass synth
>>54914417 But this is BULLSHIT YES, the bass and drums are important, but claiming that EVERYTHING ELSE is all superficial is STUPID People who think this are as bad as guitarists who think they're the most important part
>>54914160 >Drummers are the live music equivalent of vinyl DJ's DJing with proper records allows you to do so much more than going digital. It's much more comfortable to use them and you don't pretend that you're doing something insanely huge, like almost everyone who goes full digital does.
>>54914653 She doesn't strike me as very knowledgeable about cars.
Bass as a foundation does make sense - it covers rhythm, and helps to colour chords and melodies above it. However, the bass does provide a lot of energy from the low midrange up to 5kHz, which does allow it to be a melody instrument when the low end / chords and rhythm are being covered.
A car is much more than an engine and a colour scheme, and music is much more variable than a pedal, clutch, transmission, and engine should ever be, separately or together.
Lead guitarist here, I'm probably the loser of the band. The singer always gets the most attention, despite often being the least talented. The bassist in my band is considered pretty cool, but that's probably a reflection on him rather than the bass being cool
>>54913789 Had to work with bands with a good bassist and crappy guitars. We would just lower the guitarist in the mix as much as we can and emphasize the bass notes to carry the riffs .Made sure to never tell the bands. Blame the sound on the venue.
>>54914063 lots of beginner-tier bassists play too loud. in most situations, the bass should be *felt* more than it is actually *heard.* think about it.
the tendency of new bassists is to turn their amp up to the point where you can hear their plectrum or their finger actually slapping against the strings, and hear their fingers moving along the frets. this is too loud. a good bass part moves subtly. the audience is *aware* of the low frequencies moving underneath everything, but it's not completely obvious what's happening.
a good example of this is Song 2 by Blur. you can *feel* the low-ness of the riff. but you couldn't pick out the bass unless you actually tried.
a bad example of this is Flea when he's doing slapping and popping. like i said, if that's the actual sound you're going for, then cool. but if you're just playing roots, there shouldn't be a "doink doink" being heard every notes are being played.
tl;dr: newbasses have their shit too loud 80% of the time.
>>54916683 Totally right, it annoys the fuck of me.
When I played bass in a band I always adjusted my amp because loud bass made my head hurt after a few minutes, yet I met a ton of bassists that don't give a fuck and they make the band sound like shit.
Worse yet is when they do slap, that shit sounds loud as fuck compared to normal playing, if you're gonna do it prepare your volume beforehand.
>>54916683 (or their amp is too quiet, so the temptation is to pick or strum harder to compensate, which also sounds bad. in that case, you need a higher-wattage amp.)
>>54916815 >yet I met a ton of bassists that don't give a fuck and they make the band sound like shit. this. they're so excited to be on-stage they can't comprehend yet that it's not exactly about *them* as much as it is about the *overall sound.*
>>54914160 > not getting hard when your drummer rips out an energized, syncopated beat A machine just can't give me that feel, believe me I've tried.
And like >>54914232 Says, there are lots of ways to fuse tech and trad drumming. I'm trying to coax our guy into toying with some tube powered pads and one of those weird digital kicks that kinda look like a big octagon. I wish I knew what they were called
>>54916094 I do not envy your job, man. There are too many cunty sound guys, so shitty bands always scapegoat them. But then you get fuckin wizards who take shit and get a poor rep simply because these bands don't have a clue what theyre doing.
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