>>55014346 Same here. I was 13 or 14 years old when I started playing the bass and my teacher recommended me Jaco. So I went to the nearest record store and bought pic related. Still one of my favourite Jazz albums.
>>55015852 To me jazz "classics" are your gateway drug. I'm often surprised by the quality of deeper cuts. That's what gives jazz its legs, you could listen to new albums for years and still be surprised.
>>55015864 This kind of depends on what you're defining as classics but having been listening to jazz for about 3 years now, having cycled through classics and gone for lessor known stuff, albums like >>55014524 Are still among the very best. There's good reason jazz classics are remembered as such and it's not usually because they were commercial hits at the time.
>>55015956 I know he was just jumping on a bandwagon and was only playing jazz to be popular. I know he contributed no innovations to the jazz repertoire. But goddamn, in the same way Louis Armstrong does on records like Hello Dolly, Prima had a charisma and force of personality that he brought forward really well in his singing. Even on simple pop records and 12 bar blues he is such a joy to listen to.
>>55016102 Its abstractions are there for their own sake, and the fanfare surrounding them takes away from their potential impact. Most avant-garde jazz albums have the bold strides in new directions follow behind the music organically.
A Love Supreme, meanwhile, is rigid and sterile in its pedantic fixation on its "ideas". It doesn't breathe or flow in a natural way. It feels more essayist, something you listen to so you can write a thesis on it afterwards. Compare it to, say, Coltrane Plays the Blues, which is actually enjoyable.
>>55016151 Fair enough. I don't find it as rigid and sterile as you seem to, but to be honest I enjoy a lot of technical, but not really soulful, jazz. That's not to say I don't like the more emotional stuff, (i'm >>55015919) but I enjoy the academic side of jazz aswell. Also i'm the guy that called you a pleb and i guess i take that back.
>>55016251 >You're not helping. Any album that forces me to do homework has failed. Sorry, I'm not interested in helping you just because you don't like thing. I don't care at all about what you think about the album. But information is out there.
I guess reading liner notes is second nature to me (Anthony Braxton often forces me to do "homework").
>>55016233 so what, I can contrast apples and bananas and nothing will come out of it except they taste different, one is sphere shaped and its color is green, red or yellow, and the other one is thick shaped and curvy and is yellow
>>55016251 well have you tried to listen to A love supreme without thinking of it as a concept but rather as a "stream of fervour"
>>55016300 >well have you tried to listen to A love supreme without thinking of it as a concept but rather as a "stream of fervour" As a habit I try not to go into any album with a predisposition towards it. If it's good it'll establish the tone it needs to.
>>55016308 If that means I'd have to listen to A Love Supreme again I'd rather not
>>55016362 >I haven't heard that one yet. Well, it's one of his later works. A mammoth box set. It's last of the Ghost Trance Music series of albums. I think I most enjoy Braxton's quartet albums from the 1980s/early 1990s.
>>55016151 I guess that's your interpretation. You could make this argument for a lot of very innovative music both in and outside of jazz. Even other Coltrane albums like Giant Steps could be made out to be sterile and calculating in it's employment of unnecessary harmonic ideas that clutter the music. I never thought of ALS as anything other than impassioned and sincere though. As >>55016221 Pointed out, it's a deeply spiritual and religious album and I really connected with it in a way that I don't often connect with music. Same deal for Ascension which is really connected with ALS (thematically as well as links structurally, references to melodies from ALS, etc.). I believe it and ALS were pushing new ideas was out of a desire to find a deeper form of expression of his ideas as opposed to wanting to be innovative for it's own sake.
>>55016383 when the two things you want to contrast are as radically different as Plays the blues and A love supreme, I find it indeed quite useless to contrast them in their wholeness. however, contrasting Coltrane's playing and idea organization in both albums would be interesting
>>55016395 >Giant Steps I would listen to A Love Supreme on a beats pill while getting shivved in the kidneys before I listen to that piece of shit again.
I know what A Love Supreme was TRYING to do, and that's the problem. I was never immersed, because its concept was this eighty pound whale sitting in the middle of everything, blocking my view. Fuck off, I'm here to see a show.
Not the best for a starter maybe but every track has it's own magic, as any jazz standard can be, but with joe's spirit inside very clearly. At the same time the album is a whole demostration of jazz guitar mastery, at its best
>>55016448 I actually got the feeling you wouldn't be into GS as I was posting it. I'm sure you could apply that argument to an innovative album you do like to catch my meaning. >I know what A Love Supreme was TRYING to do, and that's the problem. I was never immersed, because its concept was this eighty pound whale sitting in the middle of everything, blocking my view. Fuck off, I'm here to see a show. Lol'd at this. I'm going to describe every concept album I don't like this way.
>>55016811 Hence Dizzy. >>55016700 Big band playing bebop, just a little bit of dissonance with odd harmonic and melodic ideas. Plus Dizzy is charismatic as fuck and has God tier trumpet tone. Obviously you're missing some of the modern elements that went into the cowboy bebop soundtrack but the bear bones are there. Same thing with Mingus but you get to keep some of the bluster elements with more dissonance and really cool timbres.
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