Bands in which the main songwriter has the real talent and the other members are just there for the ride.
In Syd Barrett era definitely
I know Waters did a song for the album, but it was very influenced by Syd, and hadn't 'matured' yet.
The mono version of 'Take up thy stethoscope and walk" is sooo much better than the stereo, it sounds like an actual band playing together
Though Carl didn't do too bad for himself as a writer and they all had lovely voices when Brian could direct them.
Eh, the others aren't too shabby. Most of them formed their own band that's on Sub Pop, and of course J Tillman has just been on his 4 year long peyote trip or whatever the fuck.
Though I bet the next Fleet Foxes album will just be a Pecknold solo effort for the most part, which I really wouldn't mind at all.
This faggot and the people he wanted to call Talk Talk at the moment.
Holy shit no
Father John Misty relies so much on the 'ironic meets new-sincerity commentary' shit that the music he pairs it with suffers
Fleet Foxes are miles ahead of FJM, and this is coming from a fan of both
fleet foxes are boring watered down "indie folk" for the masses. misty says what he wants and doesn't give a shit what anybody thinks. the "new-sincerity commentary" is his personality. watch any interview with him, he does not give a fuck.
>boring watered down indie folk for the masses
Have you heard the actual boring watered down indie folk for the masses? The Lumineers, Mumford and Sons, of Monsters and Men... Those acts are what you're talking about. Have you listened to Helplessness Blues? Pecknold incorporates unique song structures, a huge range of instrumentation (including free jazz sax) and vivid storytelling. Imo.
FJM's personality might be authentic, but his lyrics seem tailored towards people who want to get a rush from feeling smart by understanding what he's getting at. He's the Childish Gambino of indie folk
When Tillman constructs a melody as wonderful as on Montezuma or a song as heartbreakingly intimate as Blue Spotted Tail, or something as large in scale and epic as The Shrine/An Argument then you can talk.
Using the whole hurr indie folk is bland is such a lazy non argument that's just a reflection of your own taste rather than an actual analysis of the music.
>those bands are direct consequences of Fleet Foxes
That isn't a commentary on Fleet Foxes themselves, just their influence. You can't blame them for inspiring shittier music. By that logic you can blame the Beatles / Beach Boys / TVU for any band you don't like ever
You're lumping all these bands together for nearly no discernible reason, I doubt you've really given Fleet Foxes / Grizzly Bear a listen if you're saying they sound similar to Lumineers etc
Yeah and The Jonas Brothers and One Direction are direct consequences of The Beatles. That doesn't make The Beatles any less great.
You're kidding yourself if you think those two groups of bands are on the same level
(I don't care for grizzly bear though). And who cares if 15 year old girls like them too. Stop letting other people ruin music for you, that's so fucking petty.
>I went to the store one day
Close, but no. Tillman is too scared to actually be sincere with anything, so he has to throw his annoying little ironic statements to show he's above it all ("insert here a sentiment re our golden years"). In that context it just weakens the song, and that's coming from someone who loves that song and album, but it still doesn't hit the same emotional notes as Blue Spotted Tail.
Ideal Husband is a nice little garage rock song. Not the prog-folk masterpiece that is The Shrine with it's multiple movements and lush instrumentation. C'mon I don't even think you were trying with that comparison.
but lockett is literally the goat songwriter of that band. Agoraphobia, desire lines, neither of us uncertainly are all written by him. Not to mention nothing ever happened was written by the drummer and the bassist and is one of their best songs.
I did, and he's just not being sincere in the way that a lot of other folk acts are. It's that post ironic new sincerity thing. I generally like that about him, but it can take away from some of the gentler songs like I Went To The Store One Day. In that context it's no longer clever and funny, it just can come off as annoying and pretentious.
Yeah but musically speaking, Mumford and Sons songs have more in common with Fleet Foxes than Bon Iver. I guess both of them make heavy use of acoustic guitars and reverby harmonies, but beyond that there isn't much similarity.
but Bradford is getting outshined, he even said Desire Lines was the best deerhunter song. Also, the only good song on monomania (the missing) was Lockett. Just compare Lotus Plaza to Atlas Sound, and you know that Bradford, while talented, can't craft an atmosphere as well as lockett
Have you guys ever heard the live covers of Gene Clark songs that Robin Peckinold sang in (along with people from Grizzly Bear and Beach House and I think Wye Oak)? They're pretty rad.
Not him but I would, because imo his delivery is so authentic that it doesn't come across as cringeworthy at all. This may just be a case of different taste man
True. Spooky Action at a Distance might even be the best Deerhunter-related album
>This may just be a case of different taste man
yeah it definitely is. i prefer FJM to FF and arguing about it with u anon is not going to change my mind but i got nothing else to do at work :^)
THE MOMENT YOU CAME TO I SWORE I WOULD CHANGE, THOUGH NEITHER OF US WILL LEAVE UNSCATHED!
DON'T BE MY, DON'T BE MY LAST STRANGE ENCOUNTER
True, but I think Deerhunter are one of those bands where the members are all pretty talented but are better when they work together than alone. So I don't know if that makes them ideal candidates for this thread.
Death Cab for Cutie are though, especially now that Chris Walla is gone - Ben Gibbard ran out of good songs a couple albums ago IMO, and I think now that they've undergone such a big personnel change it might be in their best interest to start writing more collaboratively than they do.
Well, I mean... I don't think the Johnsons are even a set group of people, I'm pretty sure it's always just been Antony accompanied by a group of whichever musicians she and sometimes Nico Muhly deem necessary.
Exactly. It's like Simon & Garfunkel - yeah, Simon was the biggest musical contributor but when he doesn't have Garfunkel to bounce ideas off of he does stupid shit like obnoxious brass arrangements and cheesy "african" percussion.
When is pecky gonna stop this college bullshit and put a third FF album out?
and are they gonna bring back that balding first drummer?
God I dunno but I hope it happens soon... Helplessness Blues has cemented itself as a classic for me, it has this timelessness to it. No idea what they'll do for the drummer but I'm sure Pecknold can find someone good
>tfw YOU RUUUUN WITH THE DEVIL
Goddamn he's so good
Eventually. To be totally honest I've never followed her career all that closely - the albums she makes are all pretty good but like, they're so ornate and dramatic that they get a little tiring after a while.
Iron and Wine
The Mountain Goats
Father John Misty
Dave Van Ronk
Townes Van Zandt
That should be a good enough start.