>"raw, human emotion" >"subgenres that sound completely unique and different from one another"
tbh I don't think electronic music sucks, but I think most of it doesn't appeal to me because it lacks "soul", it sounds kinda "dead" to me. I need to feel a human playing, to feel a soul beneath the sound, not a computer or a synth. I can still get while some people are into electronic tho. Plus I love well-written lyrics and singing in general.
>>55256343 Because I have no idea where to start and where to find some patrician shit. If you can recommend me a specific record label, list, or scene that's specifically patrician, do it. Start me off with some totally mind melting, influential as fuck, and in general amazing electronic music, please. Preferably something that's older so that I can sort of start near the beginning. Give me some records and artists that paved the way for electronic music as a whole. Throw me into the deep end and show me just how patrician your genre can get.
>>55256651 My opinion is that OP is insecure about his taste in electronic music and feels the need to make an image telling us how much better it is than "that stinky guitar music." He's reached reddit levels of fedora tipping in this regard.
>>55256665 That isn't electronic music in a modern sense. Picture related. Considering this to be electronic music would be about the same as considering every use of a guitar or guitar-like instrument as rockmusic.
>>55256777 It's electronic, and it's music, and the most important element to differentiate electronic music from guitar music would be the presence of electronic instruments, most prominently the synthesizer. A theremin is a form of synthesizer, and its implementation and compositional potential influenced Bob Moog to pursue a career in the design of electronic instruments, most notably the Moog synthesizer.
>>55256422 that's understandable, but that's what makes electronic music so enjoyable. The mix of the human and the machine is where its magic happens. Even something as austere as Autechre has bits of humanity shining through the cracks. Listen to some Flying Lotus for something that wears its squishy bits on its sleeve
>>55256900 My problem is that even if electronic music does show emotion (And it really does at times), it just doesn't ever feel as emotional or as relatable as music with human input into the instruments. Knowing that someone sat down and recorded that sad acoustic guitar track means a lot more to me, personally, than knowing that someone put together something in a computer. That's not to say that I've never been emotionally affected by electronic music, just that guitar music always feels more human, and therefore more "real" to me.
Disclaimer: I enjoy 70s and 90s Metal and I'm not a fan of Electronic.
This post speaks the truth, like it or not. There has been literally no innovation in Rock since the early 80s. That's not to say that there haven't been any good bands since. But by 2000 it was obvious Rock and Metal reached a dead end. Ever since the 80s, "progress" in all areas - be it instrumentation, vocals or lyrics - was defined strictly by derivation. Nobody was doing anything new, everyone was doing things that were already done (often times to death and back several times over) but giving them one superficial coat of "originality" at the end, a token trinket which technically meant they work couldn't be labelled as brainless imitation.
This isn't NWOBHM with Punk lyrics, it's Thrash Metal! This isn't Thrash played faster, it's Death Metal! This isn't Thrash/Death played through a potato and by people with no musical talent whatsoever, it's BLACK METAL! This isn't Sabbath worship, it's Doom Metal! (Doom is pretty dank though)
Honestly, 90s Heavy Metal was the last gasp for Rock music in general.
Synthesizers are bad because even if you can make different sounds with it, there's no variation to the tone. Compare with theremin, where every note is played in a different manner. See music is not just about dynamic and tempo, if every note doesn't have its own quality it easily becomes boring.
Just before i cause a shitstorm, i do enjoy electronic music. I feel like most of it isn't as good as acoustic.
>>55257608 >x is bad That's a thought provoking start >no variation to the tone This is what synthesizers are designed to do. The theremin is really a primitive synthesizer with a different synthesis method and a different approach to pitch and dynamics control. It has analog oscillators, filters, detectors (a predecessor to envelopes), an amplifier, and at least one mixer. It does have unusual expressive capability for a synthesizer though.
>>55256343 Are normies really unable to deconstruct the layers in Hospice? What a shame.
A lot of the "pads" you hear throughout the album are actually from Peter's guitars. Couple that with Darby's soft lullaby synth melodies and subtle LFO modulation , and you end up with a nice thick warm layer of sound speckled with these subtle intricacies that are a delight to pay attention to.
Never cared for the lyrics much, tho. Most electronic music can't convey half the emotions that the instrumental arrangements in Hospice can.
>>55257689 Well, my point isn't that electronic music doesn't have the ability to be good, it's that it's much harder to input with a keyboard. You can input the tones, but it's way harder to recreate how a 'real' instrument sounds because of it having an 'organic' input.
>>55257689 >>55257608 Also, the variation in tone more apparent in theremin music than other synthesizer music is due to the manipulation of sidebands intrinsic to an instrument that generates a continuous signal with a continuous pitch variation. If the user "flutters" the pitch at the right speed for the central pitch, the timbre will change. This is possible with any synthesizer with similar capabilities, say through a ribbon controller or pitch wheel.
>>55257821 Hospice's theme (bland, beaten-up cliches) and sound (nothing which hasn't been done by krautrock and electronic music composers in the mid to late 20th century) brings heavy emotional response only to the absolute of absolute normies which don't know any better.
>>55257802 Certain theremins sound more real than others. It's about how deformed the output waveform ends up due to coupling between the pitch oscillators, and also very dependent on the skill of the player. Thereminbro here btw. The nuances to all this in comparison to the more mechanical sound of a synthesizer are hard to describe in any simple manner. There's really technical shit going on in the ether.
>>55257977 >influential More so than any indie hack will ever go down in history. As for the "good" part of your post, I express my sincerest condolences towards your lack of exquisite taste. Must suck being (on par with) a normie.
>>55256448 >>55256422 >Soul Slap a computer and a guitar in a room by themselves. Which one made made music. Soul is a human element that comes through in composition. What you guys most likely mean is "I don't like the sounds" which is both understandable and truthful.
>>55256343 I love making electronic music for the reasons in top but guitar music is amazing because it has that sort of sound of imperfection and distortion,also electronic music tend to lack the same kind of good vocals as rock music.
>>55256343 >Haven't took the time to really listen to actual electronic music artists >Usually can't stand people heavily into it >Nothing against it and plan to dig what I'll like in it someday In the meantime I try to keep an open mind about it. I'm sure there is excellent stuff hidden in this ocean of shit.
>melodies Melodies are generally a very important component of non-electronic music. They provide direction as well as establish a theme/mood for a track. Music without discernible melodies is just...bland. Yes, I know there are several genres that are the exception, but for a "genre" like "guitar music", they're an integral component.
>>55256777 This isn't Rock music in a modern sense. Picture related. Considering this to be Rock music would be about the same as considering every use of a electronic or electronic like instrument as electronic music. Do you see how dumb your argument is.
>>55258409 Every sound available to our perception has it's own unique melody. Some people prefer their melodies for their harmonic content, others prefer them for their sonic qualities. There is no third because fire can't coexist alongside water.
>>55258650 Every bandcamp/soundcloud producer makes music with "sonic qualities", but it's the ones with good melodies that actually stand out and end up making it big. Even artists like BoC which have a huge focus on sonic qualities make it a point to include good melodies in their music.
I suppose you could make an argument for theremins and organs, but those are mostly electrical powered instruments played in a traditional style -- purely electronic music didn't really emerge with its own recognizable style until later.
>>55259825 >>55259734 >theremins and organs don't count >mostly electrical powered ... played in a traditional style Theremins are completely electronic, and tonewheel organs are functionally and sonically interchangeable with synthesizers. Leon Theremin also invented a rudimentary drum machine/sequencer. Electronic music as we know it directly from these inventions gear-wise, and from rock and latin dance music composition-wise. Are we comparing EDM to the whole guitar repertoire and the synthesizer to rock music, or are we gonna start talking apples-to-apples here?
>>55256343 Why do you think it's a choice between 'electronic music' and 'guitar music'? There are literally tends of thousands of instruments, which honestly far eclipse most electronic music in terms of timbre and tonal properties. In reality the choice is between 'electronic music', 'electroacoustic music' and 'acoustic music', and as should be obvious to any non-brain damaged observer, acoustic music has had thousands of years to be honed into a masterful art, and electroacoustic music combines the positives of both. The fact that you see it as a dichotomy between 'electronic music' and 'guitar music' only shows that your own taste is depressingly limited and banal.
>electronic music >simple ass 4-chord progression (played on a preset in fruityloops) looped for 20 minutes >no original vocals or even original sampling >gimmicks like "le dropping bass!" in every single track
>>55256422 Go listen to Flying Lotus, then, or Squarepusher, who plays bass with virtuoso technique. Also check out Thundercat's solo albums (he's a virtuoso bassist and singer) which are also produced by Flying Lotus.
If you think electronic music lacks soul, you should approach it from the hip-hop side of it; I think you'll enjoy it more then: J Dilla, FlyLo, Prefuse 73, etc.
Not to mention the fact that DSOTM by Pink Floyd literally has one track that's just an arpeggiator playing the same notes over and over coupled with a bunch of sound effects and it's respected by rock/"guitar" musicians anyway.
Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Boards of Canada, Flying Lotus, Prefuse 73, etc. Heck, listen to Bjork and Death Grips, this board's two waifus, if that's easier for you. They've both worked with electronic musicians (people like Mark Bell or Arca for Bjork, Death Grips is an electronic punk hip-hop band, basically).
But in terms of influence, Aphex Twin is at the top for Western/European "IDM" sounds, J Dilla is for American/Black hip-hop-based instrumental pieces. Either strain of music you could trace back to earlier forms, and you'll see them influence guys who are active now (like Flying Lotus).
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