ITT: "artists" that you just hate.
hate them, hate their music, hate their fans, everything
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try-hard-self-indulgent-whit- boy-suburban-used-to-be-a-christian music. literally everybody that loves sufjan is the worst. they act like he's the end all be all. Hes so fucking boring and his are fucking lame
>try-hard-self-indulgent-whit- boy-suburban-used-to-be-a-christian music.
This. 100% this. It's music for edgy pseudo-spiritual yuppies who left the christianity of their youth. It's so fucking easy. It's low hanging fruit.
what I can't not like something for being self indulgent? its directionless songwriting with a shit ton of instruments and production thrown on top cause white people eat that shit up. Its the safest music ever.
>but his new album is like acoustic
wow sounds even worse than his old shit. I like my fair share of sufjan songs but at the end the day the guy is boring as shit.
I have yet to hear a focused answer that criticizes Sufjan's music.
Have you heard his music? He composes really beautiful pop songs with a minimalist aesthetic. The instrumentation is always purposeful: trumpets or organs serve as motivic aids. Glockenspiels add ethereal tones. It's never random.
that's exactly what it is. people can't handle that someone can simultaneously make awesome music and be well-adjusted.
i myself am a sufjan fan. and i don't talk about religion unless it's brought up by people like you who are so obsessed with it.
when did i ever say that sufjan doesn't make his christian background known?
yes buddy I have listened to his music a lot. used to be a big fan until I realized i was being tricked by shit songwriting and pseudo-intellectual lyrics that make him sound "so fucking deep." The guy has nothing to say lyrically and his instrumentation is boring.
His music is completely uninspired. He writes the way that an average film score composer writes. The music doesn't convey anything deep or complex. It's just there for cheap emotional thrills. It's a grab-bag of recycled indie pop music cliches with 3deep5u lyrics that appeal to college freshmen who are trying to figure out their life. It's incredibly easy to casually enjoy without any real thought whatsoever.
>It's a grab-bag of recycled indie pop music cliches
Post one Indie Pop artist who sounds like Sufjan.
>still saying "n-n-no his instrumentation is boring I swear!" after I just authoritatively told you it isn't
Are you underage?
You argue like 15 year olds on YouTube.
>anon claims instrumentation is boring
>angry sufjan fan doesn't reply by pointing out interesting instrumentation
>responds with underage insults
Great argument. About what I'd expect from a Sufjan fan.
>angry sufjan fan doesn't reply by pointing out interesting instrumentation
I literally said:
>The instrumentation is always purposeful: trumpets or organs serve as motivic aids. Glockenspiels add ethereal tones. It's never random.
Criticizing instrumentation is also the laziest, most unskilled criticism typical of memerap fags who go on about production.
what do you want me to spell out for you that extra banjo rhythm parts and fucking vibraphone melodies are boring as shit? Dude sweet the guy can score for a lot of instruments. Doesn't mean its good. Sorry I don't care for super layered songs where 4 different instruments are playing the same melody backed up by an atrocious horn section while a stupid string section plays a cheesey ass countermelody. ITs music for people who think they know a lot about music. Its got so much going on that it appears to be good but if you appreciate good songwriting you realize its boring.
needs more memes doe :^))
>Show me some deep, interesting lyrics.
Fuck off, lyrics are unimportant.
As for the other point.
Man, all that anger and yet not a single argument.
I'm going to leave the thread now because it'll ruin my health to argue with children like you.
Lawrence - Felt
Robert Pollard - Guided By Voices
That Dude From Fleet Foxes - Just cause I wanted to throw some "Indie folk pop" in there so you wouldn't get butt blasted.
Dan Bejar - Destroyer
Berman - Silver Jews
All very intellectual poets/lyricists
casimir, john wayne gacy and palisades are good examples. i regard a lot of his songs as short stories or parables. his poppier records are more complicated musically. and i haven't heard anything that sounds quite like carrie and lowell.
Come On ! Feel the Illinois - Polyrhythms, irregular time signature, suspension, polyphonic phrasing.
Romulus, For the Widows, Predatory Wasp, all of Seven Swans, all of Carrie and Lowell.
If you had an actual answer, you would have answered by now. But because you're an autistic sperglord you're just going to keep avoiding the question because "muh semantics ecksdee."
>bedroom guitarist who has been playing casually for ~3 years
its been 5 years in my case, and no, i dont have any more right, im sure there are people who have never touched an instrument and still comprend music better than me
>literally tell you all of the reasons why I don't like sufjan
>you have no argument
cool man. you are fucking dumb. Have fun being one of those kids that everybody knows listens to sufjan. Hopefully you grow out of it cause the guy and sufjan fans are really boring
why would i get butt blasted? jesus fucking christ dude, none of them are any better than sufjan by any metric. they may write differently and it suits you better, but your argument against sufjan simply doesn't hold up.
Your reasons outlined the fact that his songs are made up of several, interesting written wind/string parts which meld together into a beautiful quasi-Reichian pop song.
How am I supposed to argue against what I already know is good through my own taste?
Sorry you have shit taste I/G. Idk why i even bother arguing on this website. I always realize that i would hate most of you people IRL. liking sufjan encourages other boring ass sad white people with nothing to say make music like sufjans and that makes me mad.
I'm sorry suffy made you question your sexuality.
It'll be okay, anon.
>using white as an insult
oh my god. you're the type of prick who can only ever win when he's behind a computer screen. just leave the fucking thread and keep purposelessly hating things. the world would honestly be better off without people like you.
enjoy whatever patrish world you build for yourself in your own head, you insufferable faggot.
i think it's funny how these things can exist on a spectrum. i think all those lyricists are indeed intellectual but they wouldn't be the first to come to my mind if i had to answer the same question. for me the term implies emotional reservation. those artists all make you think but they are also too emotional imo. an intellectual lyricist imo is someone like momus or stephin merritt, guys who are very ironic and at a distance from their works.
Debussey, Rachmaninoff. Modern peeps i really like destroyer (great song writing, kind of in the vein of sufjan maybe), guided by voices (incredible song structure and lyricism).
I find his "omg i'm such a nice guy" persona to be incredibly forced and irritating. His songwriting could not be more boring and soft, he takes absolutely no risks and writes garbage. His lyricism is cringeworthy and his "rapping" is awful. His fans for some reason think he's the greatest thing ever because he's so sensitive and creative, even though he's one of the most boring songwriters I've ever heard.
He seems like a pleasant enough person but goddamn his music/fans are awful.
I listened to Illinois once. I know what it feels like to throw an hour of my life away now. Thanks /mu/!
Hilarious. Do you think you have good taste?
And no, I wasn't ready to say that for any answer. There are plenty of good composers to say.
But those are fucking shit taste in classical music.
Proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.
irony is the worst. Why does a good lyricist need to be ironic. All of those lyricists are impressionistic and open to interpretation. Their genius song writing is able to allow a wide array of meaning and maintain being relatable.
why does he put on that gormless face in all the press shots
i didn't equate irony with lyrical greatness, i was equating it with intellectualness. i'm no style-nazi with art, i love that you can approach it from many different angles and still achieve great results.
I don't know what either of those are... I just really like boring white people indie rock like Guided By Voices, pavement, etc... Even though those are two boring white people bands with not much of a story to tell they make up for it by being incredible lyricists that have forged new ways of conveying emotion with words. The word play is wonderful and the metaphors twist my head around. If you like poetry you prolly like these guys. Also dan bejar another incredible lyricist/musician.
I already stated that Sufjans instrumentation didn't really appeal to me much. Its masturbatory in its construction genuinely uninteresting as far as pop goes. I could literally give no less fucks about a guy that can play 73 instruments, that means shit when it comes to song writing skill, which the guy exhibits little of...
How many albums make you feel genuinely happy? How often do you see an artist creatively conveying joy? Writing about sad parent issues is the type of shit you do when you're writing poetry in high school.
sufjan writes about happy stuff. half of illinois is about how happy he was during different parts of his childhood. or how to find beauty and meaning in all of the sadness, which is a sort of somber happiness.
i don't think it's cheap to write about the most relatable human emotion. i don't exactly wallow in sadness, but i appreciate the feeling when i have it.
>writing about sad parent issues is the type of shit you do when you're writing poetry in high school
SUFJAN FUCKING ROASTED THREAD OVER.
but it IS white people trash. Its rhythmless trite thats put up on some pedestal cause its "old" and people have been saying its good for hundreds of years so it must be good. Just because it inspired a lot of good shit after it does not make it its self good.
>cheap, easy emotions
are you fucking kidding me? It's about him trying to come to terms with the fact that his mother abandoned him alongside the effect her death had on him. It's about reconciliation between a deep love for someone and the fact that they hurt you greatly. Maybe if you can't relate to it it seems cheap but really it's a very meaningful album.
was lurking thanks anon this is the best response...
Not shitting on Sufjan but does anyone get surprised that early-mid Bright Eyes Oberst isn't talked about for god-tier folk singer-songwriter?
hes like the music version of David Foster Wallace. White hipsters love him cause he talks about white hipster issues. Except David Foster Wallace was actually not a hack. But lets not get into that.
this guy, oberst was my shit from fifteen to eighteen, still listen occasionally now as a twnety year-old. in all honesty it doesn't age super well but it is visceral and there is the nostalgia factor so
>this guy hates fun and everyone who seems to have it
Also why the hate on white people? Being white is fucking awesome. Our biggest problems are parents dying and break ups and shit because all of our other needs are met. Do people seriously not like being privileged and rich? Why would you not aspire to live that life?
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this just in: Sufjan haters can't articulate an actually valid criticism against the man's music, instead resorting to buzzwords and stupid fucking attempts at ad hominem
what shocking development will come next???
no. i'd like it if he would do something thats good and not just be like every other white guy with a guitar and 50k to make a record. who the fuck cares if you have parent issues, so does every other stupid white guy with a guitar and an evangelical background. And no i wouldn't like it if he was black. it'd still be boring. A lot of hip hop is super shitty and boring.
I do agree that a lot of it is sophisticated and meticulously crafted. Its contrived art made in a period of time where people were disillusioned by what art is and were commissioned to create art for people other than themselves. The modern indie rocker seems to have more spirit than one of those composer hacks. also classical fags have shit rhythm and adhere to compositional "rules" and then when they "bend" the stupid fucking arbitrary rules they are celebrated. fuck that shit. I'd rather listen to some dude who can't play worth
a damn but can play his heart out and tell an interesting story
>ideas matter more than skill
Well composers more often have greater, more profound ideas than your "indie rockers" while also executing them with greater passion, ingenuity, and persistence.
So I guess you still have shit taste.
also yes I think i have a very diverse taste that cherry picks from a lot of different genres of music. Tho i'm mainly a pop fan. Pop music is universally loved but at the same time can challenge the listener to question what pop can be. Pop is so many things at once and thats why its so beautiful.
If composers had great ideas than the genre would be more diverse and less monotonous. I would wager that more people would say that all classical music sounds the same more than all pop music sounds the same.
>If composers had great ideas than the genre would be more diverse and less monotonous.
Haydn is different from Mozart is different from Beethoven is different from Schubert and the differences only get LARGER from there.
You're a fucking ignorant idiot who has never even listened to classical music.
over-celebrated music genre because its muh "classic." more interesting and compelling things have been done with music. Look at Aphex Twin. I'd argue that he's a better "composer" than any of those hacks.
Sufjan writes lyrics some people relate to with melodies that are comfy. It isn't for me because I think it sounds monotonous, but this hate is overblown. Live and let live. Trying to put quantitative or objective measures on a form of art/expression is an act of futility. Some people are going to connect with different things than you based on their experiences and what appeals to them. Just the way it is.