It got more complex, diverse, and personal than ever before and also increasingly less popular, yet more rewarding to those who seek it out.
It's the same trajectory it's been on since the 1940's.
I don't believe you - prove it!
name one person from the last 10 years and one from the 90's that could possible fit that description outside the "institutions" of jazz like the ECM label
fucking rock music made it die, i still believe in this yes
it had to be brought back into the underground music scene by genres like hip hop in order to develop at least a bit in the last 30 years
I thought Flylo was electro? he has his fusion-y moments, but he seems like one half wicked-as-fuck producer with his other half being split between his electro, jazz-fusion, film soundtracks, samples, etc.
i guess it's not really "true" jazz because it reaches into experimental hip hop often
post something of his that fits then - I'm all ears
why does it have to be outside the ECM label? What about artists who have recorded one or two ECM albums but a lot of other stuff as well?
Anyway- since you asked:
Music Is Rotted One Note and Music For Robots are probably some of his more "traditional" jazz albums in that they still sound like jazz.
But the thing is, even with, say, his new album that came out the other day, even though it's some bassy electronica shit, the chord progressions in there are definitely still jazz. I'm not super well versed in his discography either, but you'll find something you like, probably - he even has an album of solo bass guitar, if you're into that.
You're not looking very hard if you can't find good contemporary jazz. Truth is most /mu/ browsers don't want to find it. They're happier with the "cool" image of jazz being a vintage, dead genre that's inaccessible to most.
I just don't share the taste the label founder has for jazz. I really like their non-jazz releases loads more: Arvo Part's Tabula Rasa, Naná Vasconcelos' Saudades, even David Byrne's The Knee Plays is fun in its way
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they aren't making innovative, important music. I think it's really always been a goal of the label to blur the lines between jazz and art music. Not all of it is "jazz" some definitely is and some definitely isn't, a lot is somewhere in the middle- I try to judge it on the music itself, not whether or not it's jazz.
His solo bass guitar album is pretty meh. He's performed better solo bass songs on Ultravisitor than the songs on that album. Ultravisitor is my favorite work by him, and would be a pretty great place to start imho, although it might spoil some of his other stuff. There's a healthy mix of jazzy electronics juxtaposed with quiet, calm instrumental solo bass pieces.
Iambic Nine Poetry is also one of the greatest pieces of music ever made.
I'm not capable of saying whether they're making "important" music or not - and I probably couldn't even tell if what they're releasing is "innovative" in any meaningful way.
I just know that when I listened to that label's 70's output as well as their most recent releases, I felt like they were missing something important. I just have never connected with it.
If there's important, innovative, or just great-sounding music on that label I've been missing or otherwise haven't give a fair shake, now's your chance to disabuse me of my mistaken notions
you can start listing some of these "innovative, important" albums now...
Well first tell me what you think that important thing that ECM albums are missing is- and I'll try to rec you some that have whatever that missing piece is.
Also if you could list a few that you've already hear and didn't like that would be helpful too.
dude, I don't know if you're aware, so I'll try to break this to you lightly: he dead.
if we're trying to establish examples jazz as a continuing relevant force in the 21st century, picking dead artists really ain't the best way to go about it
I don't dislike what I'm hearing but there's a certain brashness in lieu of tenderness to it.
>tfw classical music ended with George Gershwin codifying everything into jazz and then dying of a brain tumor
The bad plus
Esbjorn svensson trio
There is so much amazing jazz coming out nowadays, you just have to put a little more effort into finding it.
I agree with many of these, and would like to add Eldar Djangirov, Eric Harland, and Julian Lage as three of my personal favorites. Harland and Parks are #1 and #3 on my top 3 albums (Live By Night and Arborescence)
I've heard Richard Elliott's (just an example of modern jazz) newest album.
It's not bad, but it's too... What's the fucking word, solid? I think? Like it's meant to follow a status quo for song structure?
I'm not sure. I hear it and think it's pretty chill, then I hear Mingus Ah Um and get blown away every single time.