>ironically bad cover
>skinny white trustfund kid ironically pretending to be black
>makes shitty parodies ("tributes") to old school mephis hip hop
So people like this terrible album ironically, right? Why are all his fans skinny white kids that like to pretend to be black and talk like retards?
Is Mane racist for stealing hip hop and making it an ironic joke?
MTI isn't an "ironic joke". if you wanna attack one of his albums for being that, go shittalk Playaz Circle. I love Ugly Mane to death but Playaz Circle is honestly one of the worst albums I've ever heard
It's ironic poser garbage. His white fans think its so funny and cool how he makes that "90s dirty south negro shit xD". Just the latest white kid bandwagon who will be forgotten in a couple of months, Nothing else to see here.
I despise people who create and listen to music ironically. It's the lowest form of expression. LUM and his fans are the true racists, they take the 90s black southern rap aesthetic and mock it. Look at the album cover, you just know they were thinking LOL ISNT THAT FUNNY GUYS LOOK HOW GHETTO IT LOOKS! HAHA LETS GO LISTEN TO VAMPIRE WEEKEND!
I have nothing against white rappers, only against faggots who can't come up with a original idea so they stick to mocking others through irony instead. Lil Ugly Mane is everything that is wrong with music.
I listen to LUM, HAHA LOOK HOW QUIRKY AND ZANY I AM, HAHA LOL I LUV IRONY IN MUSIC LIL UGLY MANE MAKES ME FEEL LIKE IM BLACK AND GHETTO ITS SO TONGUE IN CHEEK I LUV IT! I LOVE MUSIC THATS INAUTHENTIC AND DEVOID OF SUBSTANCE! Because it's much more entertaining to mock music and pretend you're joking instead of actually trying to create great music, right?
He's totally legit "from da hood ass nigga" and not just mocking the memphis rap image and style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1vIxt-fMM that's some thug shit
He's obviously a white kid from an upper class background and the only reason he chose to use that art style is because it makes fun of the 'ignant" album covers of the 90s that rappers made because they had no other option, that is how they expressed themselves genuinely. White kids like LUM look at that and say "Haha those covers look so ghetto and kitschy! Wouldn't it be so funny if we made a rap album with pitch shifted vocals and a ghetto ass nigga as fuck cover like that xD" HE doesn't come from that life, he acknowledges that he could make something that is more aesthetically appealing, but he still chooses to use that art style for the irony and novelty factor.
It's just cheap and a reflection of who he is as an artist.
I'm just sick of people using gimmicks like that to hide their lack of trying to do anything remotely original. I look at musicians like Lil Ugly mane in the same category as Weird Al Yankovic and other comedy musicians, there is nothing real there, just jokes.
And I know he's at least upper middle class because white kids from the ghetto don't have edgy noise bands that play at large venues for national acts. Probably got daddy to lend him some money to open up for a band there.
And I like a lot of white rappers. I hate Lil ugly Bitch because he's just another hipster faggot using shitty gimmicks.
I even have more respect for Lil B. He's at least a lot more genuine.
oh my god shut the fuck up you no fun allowed cracker
Say what you will but Lil Ugly Mane makes this music out of genuine admiration for the southern hip-hop style; he puts a lot of work into the beats and lyrics, it's not dumb "nigga nigga nigga lmao" like you would expect from a mockery album.
>stealing hip hop
Oh wait, should have read the whole post.
in 2009 he was touring with a noise band, that's probably it
i don't think he's ironic at all, just a little self-aware
lil ugly mane i feel is a character the same way quasimoto is a character for madlib, and i wouldn't call quasimoto ironic. mista thug isolation is a fucking solid album imo just because of how much he fine-tunes things. on surface level, it can seem little more than a parody, but the textures and samples he uses are fucking great, way too time-evident to be considered on the same level as yung lean. evidently, i'm nowhere-near as versed in the memphis scene as you, but just try to approach music from a different perspective than the one you hold, and things in general. i'm a fucking right-wing catholic who's never touched any drug and i like danny brown.
I see your point but I don't think it comes from a place of mockery, I think he legitimately enjoys and probably to some extent identifies with that particular style of lo-fi, violent, occult themed rap. I can definitely see how you could say hes derivative of that style of music but I honestly think he takes it and evolves to some extent. I'm honestly not a huge fan of his music doe.
No don't get me wrong I like Ugly mane. I'm just saying why doesn't OP attack the artists that are doing something similar and even worse in my opinion. I don't mind the pen and pixel art. I feel like it's an homage, not a piss take. His music is great either way so Idgaf
Vaporwave doen't have an underlying racial element to it's mockery.
Lil Ugly Mane is from Richmond, a very segregated city. When a white kid from Richmond wearing death metal shirts comes up with something like this you know where his intentions are.
>Vaporwave doen't have an underlying racial element to it's mockery.
Of course it does. It exotifies and appropriates Asian (particularly Japanese) iconography.
>When a white kid from Richmond wearing death metal shirts comes up with something like this you know where his intentions are.
Guy is cosigned by plenty of black guys in his scene and he's got history in the art scene there. You shouldn't speak to his intentions when you don't even know him.
>What are Uncle Toms trying to get 15 seconds of fame.
right. so there's just no winning with you. you want him to be a racist hipster so that's what he'll be.
there are guys that rep him and get nothing out of it. but if you didn't know, guys that are already famous/more famous than him rep him too. i think even killer mike has said something bout him.
guy is very familiar about what he purportedly "steals." guy has talent. guy is backed by other artists in his community and beyond his community. yes, him being white has something to do with it, but you can't deny the rest on account of that. there's no comparison to the fuckgenre that's vaporwave. that shit is all talentless hackery and full-blown retrofetishism, exoticism, and cultural misappropriation for nothing more than internet cred.
where do you get the idea that he's mocking the style? the whole aesthetic/stylistic quirks of the genre are so faithfully represented in his post-playaz circle (which he's pretty much disowned) works that it's inconceivable to me that ugly mane isn't totally in love with the genre. what's even better is that he's begun to build onto the typical genre tropes, leading to some real progression for the genre
People can be apart of more than one scene. It makes sense that someone who is into black metal and noise would also like Memphis rap. It honestly sounds like you have some hang ups about race you need to get over.
>where do you get the idea that he's mocking the style?
In that guy's defense. many of LUM's listeners think it's ironic. Moreover there's a level of separation between memphis rap and LUM's shit. LUM himself acknowledges that i think. he makes it as a fan and listener more than anything. That distance can easily be confused for satirization because of the naturally overblown nature of the genre.
pretty much what this dude said
he even said cultural misappropriation unironically and i agree with him
i could literally give you undeniable proof that he is genuine and you would still try to hold your argument
>he was into noise several years ago, so he must not like hip-hop CHECKMATE
that's like saying "he liked pop-punk in high school, no way he unironically enjoys swans"
why limit yourself to one genre? pretty much all genres of music can be good
also your unironic use of the word cracker is weirding me out dude. are you trying to use his race to undermine him, even though you said earlier you had nothing against white guys in hip-hop? make up your mind bro
this is true and unfortunate, but it shouldn't take much to move past the initial impressions and get to the core of the work
just listening to uneven compromise or doing an evil deed should be enough to dissolve the LEL SO IRONIC image these guys have so hastily constructed
I think the fact that he ended the LUM project instead of milking the fuck out of it when he obviously could've is evidence enough that he has some integrity as artist.
idk. compare to someone like saint pepsi. still tries to call his shit "vaporwave" even though it's shitty house music and was never vaporwave. changes his name to avoid legal trouble. fashions himself some kind of "vaporwave ambassador." it's fucking disgusting.
1) He was never "pretending to be black", you are racist as fuck for assuming "lol deep voice and violence = THE NEGROES" 2) he grew up in foster care and is a recovering heroin addict you fucking retard